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[The Silverdale Phantom]

But the live ones do. They have their land and sovereignty to fight for.
Meanwhile, Putin is the one throwing anyone and everyone onto the frontlines and subsequently suffering massive casualties and losses of life in the meantime.

More reason to call a ceasefire and try to resolve it.

The ruskies can’t turn the Ukraine into some kind of a slave state.

They will work that out, during or after Putin.

For the moment, we need to consider civilians and as you suggest, soldiers lives.

Putin and co, they have an expiry date.

The Ukraine will be Ok in the long run, but not if everyone is dead.

 

[Twizzle]

More reason to call a ceasefire and try to resolve it.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

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I want peace, I want to save innocent lives, I’m not ashamed.

I think Peace will return to the Ukraine one day one way or the other.

And the LU executive will make me a mod!!

 

[Twizzle]

I want peace, I want to save innocent lives, I’m not ashamed.

not while Putin is alive, never gonna happen

 

[Suitman]

More reason to call a ceasefire and try to resolve it.

The ruskies can’t turn the Ukraine into some kind of a slave state.

They will work that out, during or after Putin.

For the moment, we need to consider civilians and as you suggest, soldiers lives.

Putin and co, they have an expiry date.

You just don't get it.
Putin can't be reasoned with.
Ceasefire - maybe.
But he will not give anything up.
We are dealing with a 1939 tyrant here.
The good thing is that the Russians are losing ground and Ukrainians are gaining back territory - their own territory, including parts of Crimea.
The only way to stop this war is for Ukraine to join NATO. The Russians would be f**ked.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

not while Putin is alive, never gonna happen

Like my mod-ship!

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

You just don't get it.
Putin can't be reasoned with.
Ceasefire - maybe.
But he will not give anything up.
We are dealing with a 1939 tyrant here.
The good thing is that the Russians are losing ground and Ukrainians are gaining back territory - their own territory, including parts of Crimea.
The only way to stop this war is for Ukraine to join NATO. The Russians would be f**ked.

Risk a nuclear war, what are you talking about?

Do you think Putin is sane?

 

[Twizzle]

of course not

 

[Suitman]

Risk a nuclear war, what are you talking about?

Do you think Putin is sane?

I just explained how I consider Putin.

 

[Bandwagon]

More reason to call a ceasefire and try to resolve it.

The ruskies can’t turn the Ukraine into some kind of a slave state.

They will work that out, during or after Putin.

For the moment, we need to consider civilians and as you suggest, soldiers lives.

Putin and co, they have an expiry date.

The Ukraine will be Ok in the long run, but not if everyone is dead.

The problem with a ceasefire is that the fear is the Russians will just use the time to rearm and consolidate their positions. They have form there.

In the end it solves nothing, so as the Russians aint about to withdraw, the only opportunity for peace right now is negotiations around how much land and resources Ukraine is willing to concede.

So the question then becomes, at what point do they accept rewarding Russian aggression with territorial gains is the right course of action.

And in doing that does it curb further Russian aggression, remembering that they took the Crimean Peninsular and sent troops into Donetsk almost a decade ago, and the world pretty much just watched on.

 

[Suitman]

An ongoing daily account of Russian losses. Over a quarter of a million Russian combatants lost already.
All for what? A land grab. Putin doesn't give a shit about these people or their families.
To him it's all about his power, which he is fast losing.

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[Bandwagon]

The only way to stop this war is for Ukraine to join NATO. The Russians would be f**ked.

Can't happen.

That's basically saying we're willing to risk WW3, so back the f**k down. Putin likely won't.

He has nukes.

My take ( for whatever it's worth ) is the war ends in one of only two ways.

1: Russia gets what they want, and Ukraine becomes at best a puppet state.

2: The war drags on until such point in time that Russia is just pointlessly feeding resources into a conflict they just can't see themselves winning, they withdraw and Putin falls out a very high window.

 

[Suitman]

1: Russia gets what they want, and Ukraine becomes at best a puppet state.

2: The war drags on until such point in time that Russia is just pointlessly feeding resources into a conflict they just can't see themselves winning, they withdraw and Putin falls out a very high window.

1. Won't happen. Zelensky has made that clear. And good on him.

2. Russia is doing that now. It's a war they can't win.

As for Putin falling out a window, there are dozens who have had that pleasure already, all under Putin's direction. The person who commands Putin fall the same way may very well be worse than what we have now.
It's Russia. A lose-lose situation regardless.
Oh, for the love of another Gorbachev type leader.

 

[Bandwagon]

1. Won't happen. Zelensky has made that clear. And good on him.

In that scenario it's not up to Zelensky, it really boils down to how much and for how long the support he's getting from other nations continues

As for Putin falling out a window, there are dozens who have had that pleasure already, all under Putin's direction.

Yes I know, hence the reference to it.

The person who commands Putin fall the same way may very well be worse than what we have now.

Perhaps, either way if the war fails, Putin's done. He's balls deep here and pulling out would cost him dearly.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

On the one hand, people want to argue he’s insane.

In the next breath they want Ukraine to join NATO.

I can assure everyone here, if the Ukkies dare join NATO, we are likely looking at a massive conflict, a fire and fury that the world has never seen before.

The ruskies simply won’t stand for it. They asked the ukkies to stop this NATO rubbish before. They didn’t and they invaded.

Perhaps the end of the world or at least a significant part of it.

That might be ok for a few crusty old hawks stuck in a Cold War mentality, banging on in favour of the existing world order.

But I’ve got kids and other dependents to see into the world before I fall off the perch. I’m not risking it.

Russia could take out Kiev in a couple of minutes I’d say. They are only failing because they are taking a measured approach to their deplorable ambition.

No one is winning this conflict except the grim reaper and co.

Peace talks now, ceasefire, let’s sort it out.

 

[hindy111]

1. Won't happen. Zelensky has made that clear. And good on him.

2. Russia is doing that now. It's a war they can't win.

As for Putin falling out a window, there are dozens who have had that pleasure already, all under Putin's direction. The person who commands Putin fall the same way may very well be worse than what we have now.
It's Russia. A lose-lose situation regardless.
Oh, for the love of another Gorbachev type leader.

Even if Russia did win what do they think would happen? It would then become a gorilla style war where Ukrainian civilians would continue random attacks in random places.

 

[Suitman]

That isn't the way it's working out @The Silverdale Phantom .
Putin has gone in all guns blazing and is failing. Big Time.
I fear for my kids too, yet tyrants like him need to be stopped. Did we not learn anything from WW2?

 

[Suitman]

Even if Russia did win what do they think would happen? It would then become a gorilla style war where Ukrainian civilians would continue random attacks in random places.

Russia won't win. Putin thought he would take Kiev within in 3 days. He underestimated the west and it's resolve.
The west does not want to see another WW2.
It is up to him to prevent that.

 

[hindy111]

I'd be more concerned when China decide to go for it.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

That isn't the way it's working out @The Silverdale Phantom .
Putin has gone in all guns blazing and is failing. Big Time.
I fear for my kids too, yet tyrants like him need to be stopped. Did we not learn anything from WW2?

I’m not convinced he’s put what he could into it suity, because ukkies remain alive.

He’s dangerous so I think we need to talk.