Panthers sack Griffin 4 weeks from finals

[OldPanther]

If Ivan goes it's shit for the Tigers, but that's the way the game works these days.

I've come to accept that success always has a price, be it for your own club or another.

Yeah. The NRL could put specific rules in place like with players. Can't appraoch coaches until set time etc.

 

[Tiger5150]

Best comme t regarding this situation.

I definitely sympathize with the Tigers fans. If Ivan comes across it means their coach and board have let them down.

Its the easy road to blame the board, but I dont know if they have many options. IF (yet to be determined) Ivan wants to leave and asks for a release, as I see it they have three options:

1. Take the option that we dont want him around if he doesnt want to be here, and grant the release. IMO this is the wrong option and worst of all scenarios.
2. Just say no. Regardless of what Ivan wants. Just say no. This would probably result in horrible team and club culture and end up with the Tigers at the bottom for the next 4-5 years but at least it would send a message that we wont be screwed with and that we are a strong board for future contract negotiations. Not a good result.
3. Say no and then push for a reason to say yes.....stand on your digs and get serious compensation from Panthers for it. Still not a good result, ultimately lose Cleary anyway, look weak.

This situation is genuinely bad for EVERYONE except thePanthers.

 

[Tiger5150]

If Ivan goes it's shit for the Tigers, but that's the way the game works these days.

I've come to accept that success always has a price, be it for your own club or another.

We seem to pay price often enough without the winning?

 

[The Charlatan]

We seem to pay price often enough without the winning?

We're often the other club.

 

[OldPanther]

Its the easy road to blame the board, but I dont know if they have many options. IF (yet to be determined) Ivan wants to leave and asks for a release, as I see it they have three options:

1. Take the option that we dont want him around if he doesnt want to be here, and grant the release. IMO this is the wrong option and worst of all scenarios.
2. Just say no. Regardless of what Ivan wants. Just say no. This would probably result in horrible team and club culture and end up with the Tigers at the bottom for the next 4-5 years but at least it would send a message that we wont be screwed with and that we are a strong board for future contract negotiations. Not a good result.
3. Say no and then push for a reason to say yes.....stand on your digs and get serious compensation from Panthers for it. Still not a good result, ultimately lose Cleary anyway, look weak.

This situation is genuinely bad for EVERYONE except thePanthers.

Fair. I don't get why Ivan had the meeting two weeks ago which forced this situation. Surely he doesn't want to coach Nathan that badly he risk all this?

 

[Grapple]

I don't know why people are assuming Ivan's appointment would necessarily bring out the best in Nathan or even Penrith for that matter. It could just as much hinder Nathan's progression as it could lead him to flourish.
Gould seems kinda reckless to tell you the truth, and short sighted in his approach - both now and in the past.

 

[Tiger5150]

Fair. I don't get why Ivan had the meeting two weeks ago which forced this situation. Surely he doesn't want to coach Nathan that badly he risk all this?

Well obviously Ivan wouldnt have asked for the meeting as he wouldnt have known what was going to happen to Griffin. I have no doubt the Panthers chair guy asked for a catch up. I can give him the benefit of the doubt and he would say he was hearing out an old friend.

But the timing doesnt look good with Griffin being punted two weeks later, I hate to say it but I can only assume that Ivan said all the right things.

As a Tigers fan in this situation, and as someone who has been impressed with Ivan as a coach and also as a bloke, I want to think that he wants to stay after all he has said and done and so early in his contract, after dragging Matulino to a new country, all the new signings. I want to think he wouldnt flinch at the first opportunity. i cant believe it is just the opportunity to coach his son because the Tigers have offered to move heaven and earth.

If the numbers that have been bandied about are real (they rarely are) he has been offered at least double what he is on now.

 

[OldPanther]

Well obviously Ivan wouldnt have asked for the meeting as he wouldnt have known what was going to happen to Griffin. I have no doubt the Panthers chair guy asked for a catch up. I can give him the benefit of the doubt and he would say he was hearing out an old friend.

But the timing doesnt look good with Griffin being punted two weeks later, I hate to say it but I can only assume that Ivan said all the right things.

As a Tigers fan in this situation, and as someone who has been impressed with Ivan as a coach and also as a bloke, I want to think that he wants to stay after all he has said and done and so early in his contract, after dragging Matulino to a new country, all the new signings. I want to think he wouldnt flinch at the first opportunity. i cant believe it is just the opportunity to coach his son because the Tigers have offered to move heaven and earth.

If the numbers that have been bandied about are real (they rarely are) he has been offered at least double what he is on now.

Yeah the timing is very suspicious.

 

[Lebbo73]

Griffin was at two clubs with great resources, a huge amount of juniors and inherited teams built by pretty decent coaches (excluding Henjaks tenure). He's out of his depth.

Brad Arthur may be as well, but he hasn't been given near the same opportunities that Griffin has had.

This is an exaggeration. Griffin was coach at the Broncos when they had Lockyer and a team with a lot of U20’s players he coached trying to make their mark in the game. Gould accused Griffin of wanting to be in control of everything. Something Gould is guilty of himself.

 

[Sans Souci Sainter]

It’s a shit go as in he’s sacking yet another coach mid contract, this time to keep one single player it seems.

As a panther, he doesn’t owe any other club a thing, but it appears he’s used his position in the media to sneak a few lines in here about the situation.

Horseshit on both.

A previous player in Soward gave the impression it was more than one player.

The only time I’ve heard Gould this year was origin games and Penrith stories.

I think Gus in his sweetest dreams, wishes his comments on Ch 9 were so influential or important or even heard. Not many people choose to watch football on Nein. Even most motels have Fox now.

 

[unforgiven]

If someone can give me a good reason for why giving him an offer is unethical I'll happily change my position.

They are inducing him to break a legally binding contract.

 

[Exsilium]

This is an exaggeration. Griffin was coach at the Broncos when they had Lockyer and a team with a lot of U20’s players he coached trying to make their mark in the game. Gould accused Griffin of wanting to be in control of everything. Something Gould is guilty of himself.

There’s a long list of current and former first grade players who owe their NRL careers to Griffin.

I personally would have preferred to keep him. For all the rumours about his negatives, he seemed to get a lot out of the players.

Imagine if they just concentrated on playing football instead of seeking validation and having an opinion of their own.

 

[Vic Mackey]

This is an exaggeration. Griffin was coach at the Broncos when they had Lockyer and a team with a lot of U20’s players he coached trying to make their mark in the game. Gould accused Griffin of wanting to be in control of everything. Something Gould is guilty of himself.

Obviously ancient history now but if Lockyer doesn’t break his cheekbone in the 2011 Dragons Semi I have little doubt Griffin is a Premiership winning coach

 

[coolsteve]

Do you understand what inducement is?

you do understand how to spell break ?

 

[Cumberland Throw]

He's off the bus

 

[Exsilium]

He's off the bus

f**k.

 

[Vic Mackey]

Pascoe has come out and strongly denied he will be released. To me this is all grandstanding and waiting on a better payout from Penrith. He won’t be at the Tigers next year.

 

[Cumberland Throw]

Pascoe is eyeing $$$

$1m+ pay out straight from Panthers, plus RKG

 

[Cumberland Throw]

Pascoe has come out and strongly denied he will be released. To me this is all grandstanding and waiting on a better payout from Penrith. He won’t be at the Tigers next year.

Yeah just saw interview .. Cleary is gone

 

[Zadar]

Not sure about all the love for Cleary to be honest,coached for 11 years, one, a team with the best junior base available and warriors team with the countries best available and a millionaires backing. Got smacked in his one grand final, got sacked for no confidence from the panthers.

Nice guy, but is he a SuperCoach?