Panthers want nrl to look at incentives for junior spending

[Iamback]

Whatever they're spending, and it would include the opportunity cost of the Panthers academy and its staff, it isn't only benefiting them, but any club that signs a graduate of the system, and they're paying nothing. That is why clubs don't bother with development, because they can leech on others. That is the point being made.

It isn't just an us thing

Gus was behind our system
Briefly at Warriors
Now at Bulldogs - They will soon follow the same path

It should benefit all sides. Not even just cap relief but to lower the costs

 

[SBD82]

Whatever they're spending, and it would include the opportunity cost of the Panthers academy and its staff, it isn't only benefiting them, but any club that signs a graduate of the system, and they're paying nothing. That is why clubs don't bother with development, because they can leech on others. That is the point being made.

If you’re gonna start hustling for funding, maybe start with your monstrous leagues club that is fleecing your community for their hard earned.

 

[Wb1234]

It says 50 in the article. Add to that the around 25 in our top 30, that's 75 out of 480. Not so bad, considering there are 16 clubs. I know we have a few in Super League but its not that many. The reason Penrith have to scout is because a junior league with a catchment of half a million people cannot produce 25 NRL standard players, no matter where it is. And even if it could, it is not going to produce them in every position on the field.

Lots of clubs including my own are pouring money and resources into regional NSW regions like Bathurst.
You guys aren't special in that regard.

Again, the panthers current sitaution is not a matter of investment, it's a matter of sitting on the best junior catchment area for RL in the world. So long as Penrith have their in house development and identification processes in order they should never miss the 8.

I’m not a Penrith fan

Whatever they're spending, and it would include the opportunity cost of the Panthers academy and its staff, it isn't only benefiting them, but any club that signs a graduate of the system, and they're paying nothing. That is why clubs don't bother with development, because they can leech on others. That is the point being made.

exactly the point I was trying to make

Penrith leagues club has put in millions for guys like burton to go for the dogs. Maybe a transfer fee of say 50k or more should go back to the club that develops them

 

[The_Frog]

If you’re gonna start hustling for funding, maybe start with your monstrous leagues club that is fleecing your community for their hard earned.

My feeling is that there is no chance the NRL will tilt the balance in our favour, with the way the side is going. Other clubs have poker machines too, yet they don't do development. They should have to.

 

[SBD82]

My feeling is that there is no chance the NRL will tilt the balance in our favour, with the way the side is going. Other clubs have poker machines too, yet they don't do development. They should have to.

My club does. And always has. With minimal profit when compared to Panthers Leagues.

Why should your leagues club not put that money back in? They’re literally a leagues club.

 

[The_Frog]

Maybe a transfer fee of say 50k or more should go back to the club that develops them

Transfer fees were ruled unlawful back in the Dennis Tutty era.

 

[Menaiduck]

Of the 17 who won the GF last year, 6 came right through the Panthers system from a young age, including Nathan Cleary who came with his father aged 13, another 6 were scouted from country/NZ/Pacific islands as teenagers and provided accommodation, Kikau was signed from the Cowboys who had put 2 years into him, and subsequently we put another 2 years into him, and the remaining 4 were signed as more or less established first graders who had debuted elsewhere but were looking for an opportunity. None of the last group (Koroisau, Momirovski, Capewell and Sorensen) were big money signings (Koroisau in the $500k region), all of them made significant career progress in our system so it could be argued even the imports were to some degree developed into better players by us. All of them are worth more now than they were bought for, and 3 of the 4 have taken advantage of this by signing elsewhere.

What the Roosters/Storm do is more slanted towards the second group and certainly the third, since they have very few (Roosters) or no (Storm) juniors in their own area of domicile. The above grants breakup certainly wouldn't be equitable, and with Panthers having won 89% of matches in the past two and a bit seasons, there is not a chance the NRL are going to alter the balance in our favour at this point in time. But they do need to find a way of getting all clubs to pull their weight in player development, which isn't happening now. The Roosters and Storm are not the problem in this regard. The problem clubs can mostly be found near the bottom of the table.

The storm have more junior teams than the roosters. Last year it was around 200 in Melbourne. There are 3 country comps as well but mainly seniors. They have 4 senior grades in Melbourne this year and will have over 60 teams between the 6 and 8 age group. Roosters have 16 in those age groups this year. Really are comparing apples and oranges.

 

[Perth Red]

Theres only 20 players in that list that you can legit claim panthers funded some development of and are now playing for other nrl clubs. That is over say a ten year period Looking at the age of some of them on that list.
you can’t keep them all. Be interesting to see what players have played hm, jersey, sg ball or reserves or similar in other states for other clubs systems and are now playing somewhere else. then players who go to clubs not very good, that clubs turns them into something better then someone else comes in and signs them. It’s the nature of sport. realitybis panthers are spending around $4mill above what nrl gives them and with a pokie den taking over $100mill from the local community it’s reasonable for the success they are now having I’d suggest.

 

[gUt]

You wouldn’t have much of a competition if they did……

Welcome to the Clubs Bigger Than The Game Club.

Fans of the lesser clubs will never appreciate the leadership we show but that's ok.

 

[Iamback]

Theres only 20 players in that list that you can legit claim panthers funded some development of and are now playing for other nrl clubs. That is over say a ten year period Looking at the age of some of them on that list.
you can’t keep them all. Be interesting to see what players have played hm, jersey, sg ball or reserves or similar in other states for other clubs systems and are now playing somewhere else. then players who go to clubs not very good, that clubs turns them into something better then someone else comes in and signs them. It’s the nature of sport. realitybis panthers are spending around $4mill above what nrl gives them and with a pokie den taking over $100mill from the local community it’s reasonable for the success they are now having I’d suggest.

People want expansion.

More incentives gets more teams developing. Which improves the standard of the comp

 

[Iamback]

I’m not a Penrith fan

exactly the point I was trying to make

Penrith leagues club has put in millions for guys like burton to go for the dogs. Maybe a transfer fee of say 50k or more should go back to the club that develops them

More like the country kids that drive to respective clubs to play junior comps. Should have money repaid not by the clubs but head office.

 

[The_Frog]

The storm have more junior teams than the roosters. Last year it was around 200 in Melbourne. There are 3 country comps as well but mainly seniors. They have 4 senior grades in Melbourne this year and will have over 60 teams between the 6 and 8 age group. Roosters have 16 in those age groups this year. Really are comparing apples and oranges.

I don't doubt that, but I was talking about players originating from the club's core area. Roosters one or two, Storm none at all.

 

[Port Panther]

Bring back the import rule !

 

[The Great Dane]

you can’t keep them all.

That's the fascinating thing about the current Panthers team though isn't it.

Because of the lack of incentives in the cap other big juniors clubs generally struggle to stop more than a few of their best juniors from being poached by the usual suspects before they can get any value out of them. Yet somehow the Panthers have managed to keep basically all of theirs together.

The question has to be how have they managed that when so many others find it impossible, and don't give me this nonsense that they're just that much better run, because we all know that that isn't the case.

 

[StanTheMan]

We've had 25 players sign for other clubs over the last 3 seasons, while only bringing 11 in.

 

[soc123_au]

That's the fascinating thing about the current Panthers team though isn't it.

Because of the lack of incentives in the cap other big juniors clubs generally struggle to stop more than a few of their best juniors from being poached by the usual suspects before they can get any value out of them. Yet somehow the Panthers have managed to keep basically all of theirs together.

The question has to be how have they managed that when so many others find it impossible, and don't give me this nonsense that they're just that much better run, because we all know that that isn't the case.

What do you think it is?

 

[ayatollah_murdoch]

I’m not a Penrith fan

exactly the point I was trying to make

Penrith leagues club has put in millions for guys like burton to go for the dogs. Maybe a transfer fee of say 50k or more should go back to the club that develops them

Not a bad shout. Maybe take that out of the managers cut, so double incentive to get players to stay.

 

[siv]

Clubs with large juniors will need to have a surplus quota applied

Eg once they gave chosen their top say 25 in U15s in a season everyone else in the same age group becomes a free agent

While everyone in that Top 25 would be subject to transfer

 

[Menaiduck]

Here is an out of the box weird idea. You are a rugby league club. Develop rugby league.

 

[forby]

So why do only Penrith and Canberra bother to develop talent outside the own areas?