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Panthers want nrl to look at incentives for junior spending

Iamback

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Not true

Roosters are spending a tonne on the Central coast across both men's and women's at all levels.

Perfect example here.

Say you guys find a good kid from say Terrigal. He would commute to and from SG Ball training and for games.

As it stands Roosters pay for that travel... That is the sort of thing NRL should be covering
 

Perth Red

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Perfect example here.

Say you guys find a good kid from say Terrigal. He would commute to and from SG Ball training and for games.

As it stands Roosters pay for that travel... That is the sort of thing NRL should be covering
They do cover it, in a $13.6million grant they give clubs! (PRE COVID)
 

Perth Red

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That is for NRL players not lower tier guys
Nope
$10mill is for NRL players
$3mill is to spend at the clubs discretion on whatever they choose
$600k is specifically for development program costs (and I'm guessing NSWRL also contribute something to the lower tier programs costs as well?)
 
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The Great Dane

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What do you think it is?
I haven't got a clue, which is why I'm asking the question.

If you're asking me to speculate my best guess would be the same way that basically all of the successful teams of the NRL era have got ahead; a mixture of luck and lets say, fancy, accounting.
 

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I haven't got a clue, which is why I'm asking the question.

If you're asking me to speculate my best guess would be the same way that basically all of the successful teams of the NRL era have got ahead; a mixture of luck and lets say, fancy, accounting.
If it was as simple as a bit of fancy accounting, your club should be a powerhouse. The Raiders aren't short of money, but still struggle to keep players.

Luck? maybe. It's pretty fortunate that we have had a talented group come through in pretty quick succession, but it's also fair to say that good management played it's part. Our strike rate historically has been pretty shit for the most part, and this lot are the first products to come through from the 14-15 age group with the benefit of the academy and other facilities we have in place. Pretty much every kid we have debuted in the last 5 years or so has either kicked on with us or another club. The ones before that such as Cartwright, Moylan, Jennings, Lewis, Coote, Graham etc had plenty of talent, but either didn't really reach their potential or had to go elsewhere to reach it. The talent management now is clearly better.

The players are obviously happy, they are winning and still getting a pretty decent payday. My guess would be that they are happy to be making a good living while playing with their mates, being in the conversation for Rep jerseys and having state of the art facilities. When they get to the point that the next kid comes through and looks likely to take their spot, they know the Dogs, Tigers etc will throw stupid money at them anyway.
 
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The following article was published earler this month by the Sydney Morning Herald (source: https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/th...d-revolutionise-the-game-20220412-p5acw7.html) -

The salary-cap proposal that could revolutionise the game

By Adrian Proszenko

April 13, 2022 — 5.31am

The Sydney Roosters would be considered a development club and be rewarded with salary-cap relief under a radical proposal that promotes the blooding of more rookies – and less player churn – across the game.

The initiative is the brainchild of Ramy Haidar, a sports management consultant who previously worked with Manly coach Des Hasler. Haidar has pitched his “Net Supply Allowance” idea to the NRL and some of its most powerful clubs.

The paper has received positive feedback from clubland and comes at a time when head office is considering new ways to reward development clubs ahead of collective bargaining discussions with the players’ union.
Under the proposal, clubs are rewarded for blooding debutants rather than signing players who have established themselves at NRL rivals.

Sides are rewarded with salary-cap relief according to a “team purity score”, a metric that is derived by comparing the total number of club appearances against total NRL appearances, showing what proportion of a side’s experience was played in its team colours.

In 2021 for instance, Newcastle had 1824 games of experience across their roster, but only 755 of those caps made their debut for the Knights.

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More broadly, over the past decade the Roosters have blooded 45 rookies and bought just 38 established first-graders from other clubs, to provide a surplus of seven. As a means of comparison, the Sharks have debuted 34 while importing 55 players over the same period.

Under Haidar’s matrix, teams would receive $50,000 for each player supplied in surplus, meaning the Roosters would be entitled to cap relief averaging $100,000 per season – the most of the 16 clubs – between 2012-2021.

The Dragons, meanwhile, would receive only $15,000 after notching the lowest “Net Player Supply” score over the corresponding period.

“Unsurprisingly, the main gripe amongst fans is also the high quantity of player transfers,” Haidar’s document states.

“When new recruits enter a roster, that team’s identity gets somewhat diluted. As clubs shuffle through more imported talent, their rosters become just one generic blend of footballers …

“Concerningly, seven out of the 16 clubs had a team purity below 50 per cent in season 2021. The overall NRL average was just 58.4 per cent reflecting exactly how often players are shuffling from one club to another. The unintended consequence of this is diminished opportunities for new talent to debut. Imported players fill roster spots and often take selection priority.

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Clearly, too many teams develop too few of their own. They lack the organic flavour that fans crave, making it difficult to sell the team as authentic.”

Haidar declined to comment when contacted by the Herald.

Under his plan, a player does not have to be a local junior to be defined as a rookie. For instance, Sam Walker and Joseph Suaalii would count as Roosters rookies because they made their first-grade debut for the Tricolours, despite spending time in other junior systems. It’s why clubs such as the Roosters and the Storm, with only a small catchment of local juniors, aren’t disadvantaged. Like the other sides, they would be incentivised to promote those already within their system rather than simply buying over the top of them.

Modelling off the past decade reveals the entire strategy would have cost only an additional $49,687 per club, a relatively small price to pay to promote from within and slow the constant churn of players across the competition.

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“The root source of team identity is the blooding of rookies,” the document states. “So, when teams recruit high quantities of players, they inadvertently block pathways for their internal rookies. It is an unintended consequence but has long-term implications on the purity of their roster …

“Across the last decade, 766 existing first-graders were recruited. Yet in the same period only 666 rookies were debuted. The deficit of 100, indicative of a dependent culture whereby some clubs prefer to import the finished product rather than offer opportunities to their own … Ultimately, the selection of debutants benefits the entire NRL regardless of their origin.”
 

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That proposal is a good way to give Storm some more money lol.
22/33 of the first grade squad made their debut for the Storm.
 

Perth Red

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Good proposal. Benefits all lets hope it gets off the ground
Could just lead to clubs throwing money at 17/18 year olds though. What would be better would have been to removed the imagined entitlement to developed players by saying to clubs back when the grant massively increased.
Heres $10mill to cover your first squads wages
Heres $2.5mill to cover development costs of reserve grade and U18's squad
Here's $0.5mill to cover jnr academy, womens and U16's squad costs

That way the NRL changes the narrative and is paying for development of players across the country. not the clubs. Every region gets quality development expanding the talent pool and no one feels upset if a player moves to another club as they didnt pay for his development!

IF clubs have spare cash from LC's or other sources of revenue and want to spend more thats up to them. But those should have been the min spend for every club.
 

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Could just lead to clubs throwing money at 17/18 year olds though. What would be better would have been to removed the imagined entitlement to developed players by saying to clubs back when the grant massively increased.
Heres $10mill to cover your first squads wages
Heres $2.5mill to cover development costs of reserve grade and U18's squad
Here's $0.5mill to cover jnr academy, womens and U16's squad costs

That way the NRL changes the narrative and is paying for development of players across the country. not the clubs. Every region gets quality development expanding the talent pool and no one feels upset if a player moves to another club as they didnt pay for his development!

IF clubs have spare cash from LC's or other sources of revenue and want to spend more thats up to them. But those should have been the min spend for every club.

Money is going to be thrown at those guys anyway.

You only need to look at the comp at the crazy money some guys are getting. Better off a 17 year old getting it then someone 22 or 23. Atleast that way the club will develop them properly

Blanket rule won't work. Some cases the player will need to commute and you don't want costs getting in the way
 

Perth Red

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Money is going to be thrown at those guys anyway.

You only need to look at the comp at the crazy money some guys are getting. Better off a 17 year old getting it then someone 22 or 23. Atleast that way the club will develop them properly

Blanket rule won't work. Some cases the player will need to commute and you don't want costs getting in the way
It still is about the narrative at moment. Clubs feel hard done to if a player is signed by another club as they feel they have invested in said player and got little return. If the narrative had been the NRl is paying for development then it takes away that feeling and would in all likelihood deepened the player development pool as clubs who currently dont spend the money would have had to.
 

Perth Red

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Going back to the original article I'm interested to know how the Panthers spend $450k on clothing and why this seen as development costs?
 

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