Parra v Manly LIVE game day thread, March 18, 2018

[EelsFan05]

I think you're just experiencing more confirmation bias about our 'small forwards'. Every team was coached to roll the ball rather than touch it with their foot. If they didn't they slowed their own play-the-ball and their coaches would've been pissed.

Every play-the-ball in this grand final highlights package is a roll ball:

I would be very surprised if you could find a highlights video of any game last year where a player played the ball with his foot. That sort of thing was coached out of players by 2017, hence all the penalties so far this year.

No doubt every team did it, that's not the debate. The debate is that the change in rules is affecting our small forwards more than other teams and I tend to agree.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

We definitely changed the way we played the ball after Origin last season. Up until that point we played it slowly, just like we have done for over a decade.

We were using our footwork to get between defenders and land on our guts.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Well that's pretty piss poor in reality.

When did I ever say it wasn't piss poor? My argument is that the problem is our attitude, not the size of our forwards.

PS - And you call this lunchtime??

No I call this lunchtime.

 

[forward pass]

Yeah we were out there for around 30 minutes. The backs a bit longer than the forwards. I thought it was a long time considering how hot it was and wondered if Manly were going to come out at all. They came out for 10 maybe 15 minutes.

There you have it. When everyone on here wants to bang on about the heat being no factor as it was the same for both sides - well we were in the heat 3 times longer before taking the field. That is terrible coaching.

I don't care how fit or conditioned to the heat you are - you run around in 40 degree heat for 30 minutes and let me know how you feel after it. Anyway - on to next week.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

When has Slater ever stopped on a dime the moment someone lays a hand on him.

French basically submits and gets rag dolled the moment of first contact. He'll amount to nothing if he's going to continue to do this.

He submits when it looks like they will get numbers into the tackle. Slater does the same thing, however it happens far less often in the teams he plays in.

 

[Chipmunk]

We were using our footwork to get between defenders and land on our guts.

That may have been so, but we never played the ball incorrectly as consistently as we did at the back of end last season. Perhaps combined with your theory, this catapulted us from a mid table potential Top 8 team, into a Top 4 team.

The main part of the tactic is now outlawed at present and we need to find something new.

 

[TheParraboy]

Yeah, while we were crap and were never going to win with how poor we played, that heat would have contributed massively to the big score. Once we only had 1 set in the first 13 minutes or so, the players would have been stuffed!!

Playing in 40 degree heat can really f**k with you mentally and effort levels!!

Yes I know the boys are professionals but there is a limit to what the "body" can handle. Plus add the previous week's game in the heat!!

But this doesn't take away just how poor we started.

Agree

With the Heat thing, reports and fans who were at the game saying we were warming up considerably longer then Manly in the sun.

This is mind boggling.

Who is gonna be mentally (and physically) at their peak knowing they got to go into that heat again after being out there for 30min already whilst Manly went through most of their drills inside the sheds.

 

[Gronk]

There you have it. When everyone on here wants to bang on about the heat being no factor as it was the same for both sides - well we were in the heat 3 times longer before taking the field. That is terrible coaching.

I don't care how fit or conditioned to the heat you are - you run around in 40 degree heat for 30 minutes and let me know how you feel after it. Anyway - on to next week.

Sounds like a dumb move by the conditioning / coaching staff.

 

[Chipmunk]

He submits when it looks like they will get numbers into the tackle. Slater does the same thing, however it happens far less often in the teams he plays in.

Perhaps his forwards are better at getting a go forward for him then.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

after winning the toss yesterday, things sure went downhill fast for you.
Ironically, mitchy’s preferred skiing direction didn’t help !!
The smarter ones amongst you might be starting to see early glimpses of what WT fans were saying. If not yet, it’ll be soon.
You have 3 downhill skiers in your backline, actually.
Don’t look too far into last years results.... you had an amazingly easy draw.
Last week, once the riff stopped the dropsies, well, you know the rest.
Could be a long season for you.
Whatever you do, don’t go blaming mitchy and upsetting him. It’s everyone else’s fault. He’s like a spoilt 13 yr old pageant queen. If you upset him, it turns real ugly real quick. Good luck to you genuine fans, razor Ramon, I hope you’re still convincing yourself how good your team is.

Moses showed his quality last year. Like Brooks and any other half including Thurston, Mitch Moses isn't much use when his team has less than 40% possession. Come back and gloat when our forwards have a go and we get an even share of the pill.

 

[EelsFan05]

Perhaps his forwards are better at getting a go forward for him then.

Big forwards none the less.

 

[Bazal]

There you have it. When everyone on here wants to bang on about the heat being no factor as it was the same for both sides - well we were in the heat 3 times longer before taking the field. That is terrible coaching.

I don't care how fit or conditioned to the heat you are - you run around in 40 degree heat for 30 minutes and let me know how you feel after it. Anyway - on to next week.

Good lord mate....fat slobs the nation over run around in 40 degree heat for 8-10 hours a couple of saturdays each summer, often wearing about 10kg of thick protective gear.

If a bunch of pro footy players can't hack a 30 minute warm up they should give it away. We were outplayed. All the heat did was make it a 50 point game instead of a 30 point one

 

[Poupou Escobar]

The loss yesterday had nothing to do with Moses. Not sure why he is your scapegoat for our loss. not sure why you even care TBH.

Yeah why are they blaming Moses? We had less than 40% of the ball FFS. You won't see much from a halfback in that situation. But the little guy did run for more metres than all but three of our forwards. Also only missed one tackle. He was one of the few players who had a go.

It's like Tigers fans saw Parra got smashed and assumed Moses was responsible. Sorry guys, but it'll be two weeks until you see him up close. Moses is coming to get you.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Matty johns questioning our warm up:

https://t.co/bGpr2okJlV?ssr=true

 

[Poupou Escobar]

We had approximately 69% of the ball for the first 30 minutes against the Panthers and looked fatigued for the remaining 50 minutes of the match.

Penrith's starting forwards looked fatigued as well before they went off. Fancy looking fatigued when you have to do all the tackling! It was 36 degrees FFS!

And if we had 69% of the ball in the first 30 minutes we must've had f**k all ball for the next ten minutes because we finished the half with 58%

 

[forward pass]

Good lord mate....fat slobs the nation over run around in 40 degree heat for 8-10 hours a couple of saturdays each summer, often wearing about 10kg of thick protective gear.

If a bunch of pro footy players can't hack a 30 minute warm up they should give it away. We were outplayed. All the heat did was make it a 50 point game instead of a 30 point one

Ridiculous - what you are saying would be true if both sides did it. That's the whole point.

 

[Rhyno]

Evans is a worse signing than Justin poore

Hopefully we can ship him around to some other club

 

[Bazal]

Ridiculous - what you are saying would be true if both sides did it. That's the whole point.

Nah you're right, jogging through a few half arsed exercises and kicking a footy for half an hour cost us the game....

 

[Poupou Escobar]

No doubt every team did it, that's not the debate. The debate is that the change in rules is affecting our small forwards more than other teams and I tend to agree.

Why would we be the only ones playing the ball slower now that we have to use our foot? Do giants have better control of their giant feet?

 

[Bazal]

Why would we be the only ones playing the ball slower now that we have to use our foot? Do giants have better control of their giant feet?

Maybe their giant feet come closer to the ball by virtue of being so giant?

We need props with big feet!