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[Y2Eel]

Poo Poo, you wont listen old china - there are better players running around in park football (20 and under) then your current u20s squad. Your scouts and selectors have no idea.

So why haven't any other clubs picked them up?

Or do you still think the Eels are the only club that scouts the kids in the area?

If you are so sure contact the club and let them know these guys exist.. or shhhhhhhhh

 

[Poupou Escobar]

i'd probably like us to identify natural ability too

There's a reason old school coaches, players and commentators complain that athletes have replaced footballers in the modern game.

It's because footballers get their heads rammed up their arses in every collision.

The rules of the game punish risk, so risk takers have been phased out. Now it's all about playing safe and winning the collisions.

 

[Gary Gutful]

i'd probably like us to identify natural ability too

Agree.

Provided they are not the size of Morts, anyone with a slight amount of natural ability will carve up when playing against a lot of the robots running around at the moment.

 

[Gary Gutful]

There's a reason old school coaches, players and commentators complain that athletes have replaced footballers in the modern game.

It's because footballers get their heads rammed up their arses in every collision.

The rules of the game punish risk, so risk takers have been phased out. Now it's all about playing safe and winning the collisions.

There is still room in the game for players that play what they see in front of them and have natural instincts for the game of football (I.e. Thurston and Smith).

 

[Maroubra Eel]

There's a reason old school coaches, players and commentators complain that athletes have replaced footballers in the modern game.

It's because footballers get their heads rammed up their arses in every collision.

The rules of the game punish risk, so risk takers have been phased out. Now it's all about playing safe and winning the collisions.

What?

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

There's a reason old school coaches, players and commentators complain that athletes have replaced footballers in the modern game.

It's because footballers get their heads rammed up their arses in every collision.

The rules of the game punish risk, so risk takers have been phased out. Now it's all about playing safe and winning the collisions.

I know what you're saying, but the footballers who are also athletes tend to do pretty well at the higher levels. I guess a lot of kids (partic. backs) are no longer taught how not to get your runner annihilated. I was taught by Jim Lisle, who was about my size, how to step at the line and preserve your own health, and that of anyone that you chose pass to.

4-6 interchanges per game would change things quite a bit to.

 

[Chipmunk]

There's a reason old school coaches, players and commentators complain that athletes have replaced footballers in the modern game.

It's because footballers get their heads rammed up their arses in every collision.

The rules of the game punish risk, so risk takers have been phased out. Now it's all about playing safe and winning the collisions.

Well this just about negates all your arguments to have Sandow around.

On another note the game actually is seemingly wanting to eradicate the collision from the sport. Gus wrote a good article about it today in the SMH

 

[Poupou Escobar]

There is still room in the game for players that play what they see in front of them and have natural instincts for the game of football (I.e. Thurston and Smith).

Totally agree, but those merkins are all either in the spine or they're the best players in the world at their positions.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Totally agree, but those merkins are all either in the spine or they're the best players in the world at their positions.

and I suspect where they've almost always played....or at the old inside centre.

 

[Chipmunk]

and I suspect where they've almost always played....or at the old inside centre.

When did the NRL teams start doing away with the old inside centre? I recall the Broncos in the early 90s having guys like Renouf and Chris Johns play left and right centre, but did someone start using them before this? Crow must have been one of the last true great inside centres

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

When did the NRL teams start doing away with the old inside centre? I recall the Broncos in the early 90s having guys like Renouf and Chris Johns play left and right centre, but did someone start using them before this? Crow must have been one of the last true great inside centres

Yeh, I was wondering the same thing myself. I too reckon it was late 80s / early 90s....maybe Warren Ryan coached Canterbury in late 80s (rings true with his style, but can't picture the specifics with that team....Andrew Farrar one side...who played the other? ). Cronin was the bloke I was thinking of when I made the reference, but I guess also B. Kenny when he was shifted there at times.

Was there a point in time where the rule changed re the scrum being set at least 10m infield? Might have sparked few ideas.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Well this just about negates all your arguments to have Sandow around.

Well he is a spine player - this is where you play your instinctive footballers while the other 10 or so athletes stick to a tight structure. Also Sandow is extremely quick and strong (for his size).

That said, his size is a real issue, if you hadn't noticed. Only a special talent could make it in today's game with such a lack of height.

On another note the game actually is seemingly wanting to eradicate the collision from the sport. Gus wrote a good article about it today in the SMH

Yeah I read it. I like Gus but that article was a jumble - reminiscing about how the game used to be but asserting he doesn't think it should be like that now but kind of hinting that punching and shoulder charges should still be allowed.

Also Gus said sportsmen aren't role models for any kid, just because they weren't role models for him. But the fact is a lot of boys have no male role models other than celebrities, including NRL players.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

and I suspect where they've almost always played....or at the old inside centre.

I reckon back in the day entire backlines were full of natural footballers. Even plenty of forwards were this type of player.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

When did the NRL teams start doing away with the old inside centre? I recall the Broncos in the early 90s having guys like Renouf and Chris Johns play left and right centre, but did someone start using them before this? Crow must have been one of the last true great inside centres

I know the last bloke ever to play inside centre was Jacin Sinclair, for Souths in 1994. The rest of the league had been playing split centres for a couple of years by then.

I believe Ken Shine decided to go with inside-outside centres in order to get the most out of Sinclair, who had mad skillz.

Eels juniors Jason Bell and Dave Penna played five-eighth and outside centre, respectively.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

I reckon back in the day entire backlines were full of natural footballers. Even plenty of forwards were this type of player.

Sort of. Artie Beetson probably supports your case. Also have to remember that there was unlimited tackle football til the late 60s, and St George were pretty good at smashing the ball upfield until they got in range and then gave it to their backs. Then we had a 4 tackle rule (before I was born I emphasise). But I reckon there was always some big, fast otherwise less talented blokes at outside centre, wing, and also in the pigs.

 

[magpie4ever]

because they are keeping your son out???? ;-)

Hiney are you related to the Pooman?:lol:

 

[magpie4ever]

Mate, I believe you. The thing is, the NYC is about identifying potential NRL players, not finding guys who will win under 20s matches.

That means size, speed and attitude are more important than 'natural football' ability.

Wrong, no wonder your NRL side is running last.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Wrong, no wonder your NRL side is running last.

So, exhausting any logical argument re the U20s and recruitment thereof, you shift to the NRL team? We are pretty much aware of their current performance.

 

[magpie4ever]

When did the NRL teams start doing away with the old inside centre? I recall the Broncos in the early 90s having guys like Renouf and Chris Johns play left and right centre, but did someone start using them before this? Crow must have been one of the last true great inside centres

I reckon it was around the time when they went to the 10m offside rule, non-contested scrums (12 interchanges) and the flat form of attack.

Coaches quickly worked out they no longer needed certain body shapes to play prop or hookers who could win a tighthead etc and they divide the field into thirds.

Hence the advent of the left centre and 2nd rower and the same on the right; only the lock and front rowers covered the middle and the whole field if required.

In that aspect Poo is right, it was the beginning of the robotic athlete with no particular natural football abilty.

Really a shame.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Sort of. Artie Beetson probably supports your case. Also have to remember that there was unlimited tackle football til the late 60s, and St George were pretty good at smashing the ball upfield until they got in range and then gave it to their backs. Then we had a 4 tackle rule (before I was born I emphasise). But I reckon there was always some big, fast otherwise less talented blokes at outside centre, wing, and also in the pigs.

I tend to agree. I think it is true that rugby league is more about speed and strength these days but the way some people talk about mountains of "natural footballers" back in the day is a bit over the top. There were also a lot of "natural thugs" that played the game back then.