Parramatta Eels in NRL salary cap rort

[DURRRHURRR]

If the NRL want to have an even salary cap to ensure an even competition they have to do something about TPAs. NRL is heading the way of the EPL , their will be the same 4-5 teams in top 4 every year if it continues.
For mine the biggest problem around TPAs is that they allow clubs to break/bend salary cap rules and have a far better roster than the Salary Cap allows.
The NRL can stop this by one of two ways if they wanted to:
1. Ban TPAs and dock points from clubs that are found to break the rules.
2. Allow TPAs but have a players minimum value under the Salary Cap determined by the NRL and you have to fit your top 25 under the NRL Salary Cap. This would work as for example the Broncos had TPAs in place for Darren Lockyer to make $1 million a year but put him in the cap at $300,000. If the NRL determine he has to be put in at $800,000 a year under the cap, that would mean their is $500,000 less cap space for the Broncos for their other players.
Option 2 would work and wouldn't intefer with what an individual player could earn, if would just mean to have good players in your top 25, a lot of your top 25 would have to be lesser players. If this was brought in many squads would look worse than they currently are but the talent would be more evenly spread (which should be the NRL aim).
Option 2 would still allow players to earn more than what they are assessed at under the cap by way of other TPAs but would have them placed in the salary cap at the right money.

The NFL do this best, they have a hard salary cap. They have rules about minimum amounts players have to be paid under the cap according to their status. The NFL want a team to have a small window at the top and then go through a rebuilding period and be replaced by other teams at the top. They do not want the same 3-4 teams at the top every year. The salary cap in the NFL does not stop the top players making other money outside their club from sponsers but it does stop teams stockpiling all the best talent every year.

TPA's have a job to do, to have marquee players at marquee teams. Teams that have bigger fanbase and get more exposure will earn there players more cash through TPA's and bring in top players from other teams seeking extra cash

 

[Sunshine Coast Tiger]

TPA's have a job to do, to have marquee players at marquee teams. Teams that have bigger fanbase and get more exposure will earn there players more cash through TPA's and bring in top players from other teams seeking extra cash

In saying that you want it to get to a stage were there are only 4-5 big teams in the NRL? TPA's the way they are currently done are just rich clubs cheating the salary cap to have a better roster than the salary cap allows.

I don't want that to happen. This system doesn't stop elite players earing more than what the NRL determine their value is, it just stops clubs putting them under the salary cap and vastly reduced values to allow more money for better other squad players.

I want it to be like the NFL, teams rarely stay at the top for long as the hard salary cap ensures an even playing field and teams only have a limited period at the top (usually 2-4 years max) until their players are worth too much to keep under the cap. They lose good players to other sides and the competition evens itself out.

 

[Sunshine Coast Tiger]

Problem is the value becomes subjective and you can imagine how clubs and fans will whinge. What if someone has a great break through year, does there value Chang be every year even though they may be on a 3 year contract? Someone mentioned a points system previously but same problem really. Not sure what the answer is or even if there is one. We want players to earn as much as they can so we keep them in the NRL but at same time want to create an artificial earning potential to keep the clubs equal as possible.

I am not saying it is perfect but it is better than the open slather TPA's system we currently have. I would much rather the NRL put more realistic values on players for salary cap purposes than let clubs determine it and rort the salary cup system as certain clubs currently do.

Yes you will get a young player cheap for 3 years but by the end of that contract if he is an elite player to keep him going forward under the salary cap you will have to lose other players or you will lose him (NFL do this best with their rookie contracts).

 

[adamkungl]

TPAs don't benefit rich teams, they benefit successful teams (and players).

Parra is a rich club, people seem to be forgetting.

The problem is there is not one player in their line up who any self respecting sponsor would want to throw money at. Who's fault is that? Parra's.

 

[El Diablo]

they way some clubs easily get TPA's means a struggling club could rort the cap and still they're roster would be earning less

 

[El Diablo]

TPAs don't benefit rich teams, they benefit successful teams (and players).

rubbish

they benefit teams with followers who have deep pockets

 

[Eelementary]

TPAs don't benefit rich teams, they benefit successful teams (and players).

Parra is a rich club, people seem to be forgetting.

The problem is there is not one player in their line up who any self respecting sponsor would want to throw money at. Who's fault is that? Parra's.

That's correct, except that we do have Hopoate (Origin rep and clean skin) and Semi.

But yes - our previous admin was a joke.

 

[beave]

I really want to know who this other club is that the journo has the scoop on.

If it's my bunch of idiots, I will cry a thousand tears.

 

[adamkungl]

Parra obviously has fans with rich enough pockets based on this debacle. Just none of them actually wanted to put their name to sponsoring Sandow up front :lol:

Stop playing the victim. Parra has no claim to crying poor or sook about the Roosters or the Broncos. Parra's management has been embarrasingly out of their depth for basically the entire NRL era and it has nothing to do with money or privilege.

 

[El Diablo]

you have nfi

 

[Sunshine Coast Tiger]

TPAs don't benefit rich teams, they benefit successful teams (and players).

Parra is a rich club, people seem to be forgetting.

The problem is there is not one player in their line up who any self respecting sponsor would want to throw money at. Who's fault is that? Parra's.

Not disagreeing that TPA's benefit successful run teams and players, just saying it bends the salary cap rules.

For example if to keep Tedesco (not a rep player just a junior with a lot of potential) the Tigers had to pay $450K a year and have to put that full amount in the salary cap as they have no TPA's from rich benefactors is it fair for example if the Roosters pay Jennings (rep player) $600 K a year but because of a large amount of TPA's the supporters of the club provide they can put him under the cap at $200K a year, thus freeing up additional money under the cap to pay the remaining top 25 squad member thus allowing to have a better squad than they should under the cap if Jennings was on the correct amount under the cap. Times that by 3-5 players at the good teams and you see why the salary cap isn't working.

I think the NRL should determine the minimum amount for each player they will accept to be placed on them under the cap. Doesn't stop players earning more from TPA's than this amount but does put them into the salary cap at more realistic amounts.

 

[Eelementary]

Parra obviously has fans with rich enough pockets based on this debacle. Just none of them actually wanted to put their name to sponsoring Sandow up front :lol:

Stop playing the victim. Parra has no claim to crying poor or sook about the Roosters or the Broncos. Parra's management has been embarrasingly out of their depth for basically the entire NRL era and it has nothing to do with money or privilege.

I wish the Eels' management was more like the Chooks'.

 

[I Bleed Maroon]

Parra obviously has fans with rich enough pockets based on this debacle. Just none of them actually wanted to put their name to sponsoring Sandow up front :lol:

Stop playing the victim. Parra has no claim to crying poor or sook about the Roosters or the Broncos. Parra's management has been embarrasingly out of their depth for basically the entire NRL era and it has nothing to do with money or privilege.

 

[adamkungl]

Not disagreeing that TPA's benefit successful run teams and players, just saying it bends the salary cap rules.

For example if to keep Tedesco (not a rep player just a junior with a lot of potential) the Tigers had to pay $450K a year and have to put that full amount in the salary cap as they have no TPA's from rich benefactors is it fair for example if the Roosters pay Jennings (rep player) $600 K a year but because of a large amount of TPA's the supporters of the club provide they can put him under the cap at $200K a year, thus freeing up additional money under the cap to pay the remaining top 25 squad member thus allowing to have a better squad than they should under the cap if Jennings was on the correct amount under the cap. Times that by 3-5 players at the good teams and you see why the salary cap isn't working.

I think the NRL should determine the minimum amount for each player they will accept to be placed on them under the cap. Doesn't stop players earning more from TPA's than this amount but does put them into the salary cap at more realistic amounts.

I've never agreed the the salary cap as a means to enforce mediocre equality, its original intention was to stop poorer clubs spending themselves to death to keep up.

By removing TPAs you're basically saying that if Nike or something wants to throw $200k at Tedesco to be the face of their advertising, they can't unless it fits in Tigers cap. You're saying "Sorry Tedesco, you're only allowed to earn 450k a year (go play Union in France or Japan)".

Even if you had perfectly equal player wages across clubs, it wouldn't end there. A club would c**k everything up for a few years anchoring themselves on the bottom of the table. Their fans would still blame the NRL/Roosters/Broncos. And some clown would try to get a coaching salary cap, or try to argue that football department spending should be capped.

For what it's worth, the NRL alrady refuses to register contracts they deem too cheap. It's this rule that sent Israel Folau from Parra to the Waratahs, if you recall. It's completely ridiculous.

It is indisputable that Parra's recruitment has been poor over the last few years. Penrith, Canberra, Cronulla, Warriors are all examples that put them to shame, none of whom are thought of as silver spoon clubs. It has nothing to do with TPAs.

 

[Miller was a legend]

I hope everyone is careful with their comments - another club to be named in another SMH article

Oh just great

 

[God-King Dean]

Gee, some Parramatta fans in this thread sound a lot like AFL fans/journalist/administrators

 

[Dutchy]

rubbish

they benefit teams with followers who have deep pockets

Yeah. successful teams.. attract them followers with deep pockets.

Unlike Parra, who can only attract cheating, criminal, scum followers.

 

[Glenn]

Haha even when your shithouse club is in the papers for potentially rorting the cap you're throwing out the same old tired shit at others.

Here's something to think about.

Parra is second to probably only the Broncos in terms of natural advantages. They have a massive, strong junior area in the most populated part of Australia's biggest city, close to the most fans in the NRL, and a rich leagues club.

And yet here they are, at best 'bending' the rules, at worst cheating, and still utter shite for as long as is worth remembering.

But it's Nick Politis who's the real villain :lol: Maybe take a look at merkin after merkin who walks through the Parra head office. Jealousy is an ugly trait princess.

Not surprising a merkin club with merkin fans has merkin leaders though. Enjoy the spoon this year and next. Again.

Where is the proof, other than an unsubstantiated claim from the SMH, with nothing to back it up?
For the love of god I hope the Roosters are the other club, just to shut merkins like you up.

 

[Glenn]

On the subject of Salary Cap, just heard a report on 2UE that the other un named teamed cap breaches are on a similar scale to that of the breaches by the Storm, and it's from a team entrenched in the race for a top 4 position.

 

[Scaven]

On the subject of Salary Cap, just heard a report on 2UE that the other un named teamed cap breaches are on a similar scale to that of the breaches by the Storm, and it's from a team entrenched in the race for a top 4 position.

If there was any truth to this it would be everywhere, no way this could be kept under wraps.
I bet you it is a nothing story in the end.