Parramatta Eels sign Josh Papalii for 2014

[Craig Johnston]

to put in context the battle canberra face to retain papalii, they have to upgrade the contracts of sam williams, jarrod crocker, joel thompson, brett white and joe picker.....AND THEN have to make sure they have room to upgrade fensom and TLL the next year.

the question for a club's cap pressure is not the profile of the name's off contract but what their next contract looks like relative to the last one. for most of canberra's names they are facing significant upgrades for most of their players.

i'd be suprised if canberra hold onto papalii, once thurston signs with somebody and the whole domino starts falling, canberra's position will be much better to gauge

 

[born an eel]

so if he has signed a contract but is not guaranteed to come here until after round 13 I hope we are able to pull out if he is seriously injured in the first half of the year.

Not wishing injuries on anyone but whats to stop a player having a fall back contract with another club while still in negotiations with his current club.

 

[Gronk]

James Maloney seemed to sign a contract for the next year OK without freeking controversy.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

to put in context the battle canberra face to retain papalii, they have to upgrade the contracts of sam williams, jarrod crocker, joel thompson, brett white and joe picker.....AND THEN have to make sure they have room to upgrade fensom and TLL the next year.

the question for a club's cap pressure is not the profile of the name's off contract but what their next contract looks like relative to the last one. for most of canberra's names they are facing significant upgrades for most of their players.

i'd be suprised if canberra hold onto papalii, once thurston signs with somebody and the whole domino starts falling, canberra's position will be much better to gauge

Yep once thurston signs, Sam Williams will be the next target for clubs chasing a half back and they don't come cheap.

 

[Eels Dude]

James Maloney seemed to sign a contract for the next year OK without freeking controversy.

The difference with Maloney was that the Warriors conceded defeat to retain him as he wanted to move back to Australia, and the club gave permission to the NRL to register his contract with the Roosters when he signed it.

 

[Raider_69]

to put in context the battle canberra face to retain papalii, they have to upgrade the contracts of sam williams, jarrod crocker, joel thompson, brett white and joe picker.....AND THEN have to make sure they have room to upgrade fensom and TLL the next year.

Fensom is on contract for next year and will be next off seasons problem, Williams, JT and Croker will need to be signed and upgraded, significantly, i do wonder if we keep Paps, if the club might have to surrender on Joel Thompson though...

But Joe Picker (unfortunately as i like him) is highly unlikely to be re-signed and if he is, it wont be an up-grade as his last contract was signed when he was starting, not playing reggies, it will probably be for less value if anything. White will be last priority on the list, he'll get what we got left or he'll head to ESL. TLL will need to lift his game in a rather large way to get a deal in line with his current money, let alone an upgrade.

All in all, money wont be the issue in keeping Papalii, we've got plenty of cap space for our #1 priority. The issue is our number and what we're willing to pay is not as high as yours. We are working on 3rd parties to rectify this so we dont have to go above our number cap wise.

 

[El Diablo]

you want to hear from Josh yet your club has banned him from talking to the media

if he wanted to stay why have they done that?

 

[The EELiminator]

did the nrl change the third party sponsorship rule during the offseason? as far as i know if a third party sponsorship is used to induce a player to play for a club it then counts under their salary cap

 

[Craig Johnston]

Fensom is on contract for next year and will be next off seasons problem, Williams, JT and Croker will need to be signed and upgraded, significantly, i do wonder if we keep Paps, if the club might have to surrender on Joel Thompson though...

But Joe Picker (unfortunately as i like him) is highly unlikely to be re-signed and if he is, it wont be an up-grade as his last contract was signed when he was starting, not playing reggies, it will probably be for less value if anything. White will be last priority on the list, he'll get what we got left or he'll head to ESL. TLL will need to lift his game in a rather large way to get a deal in line with his current money, let alone an upgrade.

All in all, money wont be the issue in keeping Papalii, we've got plenty of cap space for our #1 priority. The issue is our number and what we're willing to pay is not as high as yours. We are working on 3rd parties to rectify this so we dont have to go above our number cap wise.

fensom and any other player in 2014 is an issue when you're managing multi year contracts with signficant upgrades.

i didn't mention that 2014 it looks like you've got dugan, wighton, ferguson, mcrone and earl all demanding significant upgrades also. i didn't realise dugan only resigned for 2 seasons.

 

[emjaycee]

did the nrl change the third party sponsorship rule during the offseason? as far as i know if a third party sponsorship is used to induce a player to play for a club it then counts under their salary cap

Only if the club arranges it so based on the fact that canberra has stated in the press that one of their board members is arranging 3rd party deals for Josh you would think that they would have to be included... but this is Parra and Schubert we are talking about.:roll:

 

[Raider_69]

Simple. They are trying to get the cash together for him to stay. If they cant he will leave for Parramatta, but the last thing the kid needs is to be pressed by the media to make a call right now without knowing the best canberra can offer and how it stacks up against Parramatta, because if he says he wants to stay and Canberra cant pony up, Parramatta are furious they are getting a guy they doesnt want to be there. If he says he wants to leave but then Canberra get the cash sorted and he stays, he looks like a money grubbing prick.

I think its been apparent for some time that not even Josh Papalii knows where he's going to play football in 2014 so its easier for him (he's a very shy kid, doesnt handle media attention well) not to say a thing right now... The Raiders have done him a solid by placing a media ban on him so he's got an easy excuse not to comment on it.

The Mole (haha i know, the bloke's a clown and is no more in the know than you or i but none the less, some people put stock into his shit) is tweeting that Josh has put off making a decision until later in the week, if that is accurate and i believe it to be, then it shows that the kid needs to further think about the move (or give Canberra a few more days to get the cash) and suggests that reports that he's having 2nd thoughts are indeed accurate.

This is a genuine 50-50 call. It could go either way. It will come down to what deal canberra can offer him and whether it's enough. But i dont believe for one second Josh Papalii, let alone anyone else knows what he's going to do right now.

My gut says his perference is to stay in canberra, and the club must be very confident in his desire to stay if the money is right, otherwise we wouldnt be wasting our time when we've got 3 other import cogs off contract

 

[EelsFan05]

Only if the club arranges it so based on the fact that canberra has stated in the press that one of their board members is arranging 3rd party deals for Josh you would think that they would have to be included... but this is Parra and Schubert we are talking about.:roll:

I was trying to make this point yesterday. Sounds really shonky.

 

[Raider_69]

i didn't mention that 2014 it looks like you've got dugan, wighton, ferguson, mcrone and earl all demanding significant upgrades also. i didn't realise dugan only resigned for 2 seasons.

Its a difficult thing with the cap, and a lot can change in a year. The club understands the issues of having such a young talented squad and will do the best we can, but there is no question, some will have to make way to keep others.

There is no doubt we wont be able to keep everyone. We'll have to make sure we keep our top priorities and hope to do the best we can with the rest.
Which is what we are doing now with Papalii.

 

[Raider_69]

I was trying to make this point yesterday. Sounds really shonky.

As long as no one from the raiders is on the payroll or has a role with the company in any official capacity, it's all kosher. The board can reach out to local business and help facilitate the deal but if there is official links between the board member and company, it will count. If not, its a genuine 3rd party deal.

If what your suggesting wasnt allowed, there would barely be any 3rd party deals in the NRL... the same bloke was involved in rallying corporates to chip in for Josh Dugan's contract 18 months ago. And no one had issues with that.

 

[The EELiminator]

Simple. They are trying to get the cash together for him to stay. If they cant he will leave for Parramatta, but the last thing the kid needs is to be pressed by the media to make a call right now without knowing the best canberra can offer and how it stacks up against Parramatta, because if he says he wants to stay and Canberra cant pony up, Parramatta are furious they are getting a guy they doesnt want to be there. If he says he wants to leave but then Canberra get the cash sorted and he stays, he looks like a money grubbing prick.

I think its been apparent for some time that not even Josh Papalii knows where he's going to play football in 2014 so its easier for him (he's a very shy kid, doesnt handle media attention well) not to say a thing right now... The Raiders have done him a solid by placing a media ban on him so he's got an easy excuse not to comment on it.

The Mole (haha i know, the bloke's a clown and is no more in the know than you or i but none the less, some people put stock into his shit) is tweeting that Josh has put off making a decision until later in the week, if that is accurate and i believe it to be, then it shows that the kid needs to further think about the move (or give Canberra a few more days to get the cash) and suggests that reports that he's having 2nd thoughts are indeed accurate.

This is a genuine 50-50 call. It could go either way. It will come down to what deal canberra can offer him and whether it's enough. But i dont believe for one second Josh Papalii, let alone anyone else knows what he's going to do right now.

My gut says his perference is to stay in canberra, and the club must be very confident in his desire to stay if the money is right, otherwise we wouldnt be wasting our time when we've got 3 other import cogs off contract

so why wasn't all this third party money included in the original offer from the raiders?

my opinion is either the raiders already know they can't match the eels offer and are just going through the motions to make it look like they did their best to keep josh

or

they tried to re-sign josh on the cheap and are now desperately trying to find money to match the eels offer

 

[The EELiminator]

As long as no one from the raiders is on the payroll or has a role with the company in any official capacity, it's all kosher. The board can reach out to local business and help facilitate the deal but if there is official links between the board member and company, it will count. If not, its a genuine 3rd party deal.

If what your suggesting wasnt allowed, there would barely be any 3rd party deals in the NRL... the same bloke was involved in rallying corporates to chip in for Josh Dugan's contract 18 months ago. And no one had issues with that.

from the nrl website:

The basic guide is that if a player is receiving money from any person as a way of inducing him to play for the club, then that money will be included in the Salary Cap..
Income that a player earns from parties not related to his club is generally not included in the Salary Cap, however, the details of the agreement must be advised to the club by the player. The club must then get approval for the agreement from the Salary Cap Auditor in order for the remuneration to be excluded.
In 2006, the NRL also introduced an allowance for players who enter into Third Party Agreements with club sponsors. In 2011, the top 25 players are allowed to earn up to a maximum $300,000 from sponsorship leveraging but the total payments under these sponsorship leveraging agreements must not exceed $300,000 per club.

http://www.nrl.com/nrlhq/referencecentre/salarycap/tabid/10434/default.aspx

 

[EelsFan05]

from the nrl website:
http://www.nrl.com/nrlhq/referencecentre/salarycap/tabid/10434/default.aspx

That's a pretty all encompassing rule that would just about cover all third party agreements.

 

[Raider_69]

:lol: well that is interesting... i would suggest that is the least policed rule in all of RL.
Im not remotely concerned about what our board is doing. If they want to start enfocing that rule to it's letter, there are bigger fish to fry. It would quash just about every 3rd party deal in the NRL. And would probably force most of our big stars to head OS or to other codes.

but none the less, that is interesting.

 

[Jake the snake]

It's very simple he's signed a contract so he knows where he's going. Lets not buckshot Raiders69. Papali signed a contract so he has an idea of where he is going.

There's only one party at fault here and that's not the Raiders or Parra. It's Papli and his management.

In the first to be dirty on our juniors leaving the club, hate it!

But what's even worse is someone not keeping their word once he agrees to a deal. If he reneges then he's got no respect. He's not a man. It all comes down to values.

 

[The EELiminator]

:lol: well that is interesting... i would suggest that is the least policed rule in all of RL.
Im not remotely concerned about what our board is doing. If they want to start enfocing that rule to it's letter, there are bigger fish to fry. It would quash just about every 3rd party deal in the NRL. And would probably force most of our big stars to head OS or to other codes.

but none the less, that is interesting.

lets not get confused here it doesnt say a 3rd party agreement linked to a particular club is illegal just that it has to come under their salary cap