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Parramatta Eels sign Josh Papalii for 2014

hybrideel

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IF i were parra management, i would be on the phone to him this morning and seeing where his head is at. If he wants to stay then so be it but make sure they pay every dollar they have to to keep him. Nothing against the raiders but every other club that spends more only helps us.
IF and when he does leave it's pretty clear that parra have done everything possible and the blame lies solely with the player
 

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CRONULLA'S star recruit Luke Lewis has backed Canberra forward Josh Papalii's decision to sign a rich deal with Parramatta, saying players are potentially ''one tackle away from flipping burgers''.
When at Penrith in 2008, Lewis reneged on a verbal agreement to join South Sydney, citing family reasons for signing a new four-year deal with the Panthers. It was the first year the NRL introduced its rule where a player wishing to join another club had up to round 13 to sign a contract.
The law is designed to give the incumbent a chance for retention, and the Raiders are hopeful they can use it to their advantage with Papalii.

But his case is different, given Papalii signed a contract with the Eels a fortnight ago.

''It's a very hard situation to be in. As a player what Papalii is doing I think you have to do,'' Lewis said. ''While you're playing good footy you want to sign a good contract at the time so you know what you're doing, where you're going and what you're future holds.
''It'll be forgotten after a while, everyone moves on and people will come in and do the job that he would do. It's just something you have to put up with for a while, it's very tough, but you've got your mates you play with and they'll stick by you.''
Lewis insisted the rule didn't need changing, despite it attracting heavy criticism from some quarters. The Raiders will begin talks with third-party sponsors on Monday in a last-ditch attempt to keep Papalii, who will be paid $500,000 a year at the Eels.
''I don't think so, everything the way it's set up is pretty good,'' Lewis said. ''As a player, you're only one tackle away from flipping burgers, and Papalii's playing really good footy at the moment.
''If you can sign a contract today that's going to secure you for three to four years, the security's there and you can start preparing for those years of your life.''
He had no doubt Papalli would show due commitment to the Raiders this season, despite knowing his future lies elsewhere.
''I don't know Papalii at all, but I do know he's a competitor and he won't let Canberra down for the time he's there,'' Lewis said.
''I know they'd be a very competitive bunch of blokes out there [Canberra], and they'd want to win everything, whether it's at training or in a game. Watching him play, I know he's definitely given 100 per cent all year and [will] do the right thing by [Raiders coach] David Furner.''
Five years ago, current Panthers back-rower Nathan Smith signed with Canberra, but also eventually opted to stay put.
Lewis said Papalii would have every intention on going out on a high, and rates the Raiders a serious dark horse for the premiership.
''I think Canberra are going to be hard to beat this year, in my opinion,'' he said. ''It's a tough one, they could go through and win the grand final and he has to leave at the end of the year.''
Despite the uncertainty over Papalii's contract, and the criticism of the system, the NRL says there are no imminent plans for a review.
''The system came in at the behest of the clubs,'' an NRL spokesman said. ''If there was enough of a groundswell within the clubs to look at it, if they felt strongly enough about it, we would look at it. Transfer windows and all the other ideas have been explored a number of times, even last year - it's one of those areas that's challenging.
''But this remains the system that we think is the most open and transparent. No one's got a completely closed line [to change], but we would need a strong reason to revisit it.''
One Canberra player who stands to benefit from Papalii's defection is halfback Sam Williams, who is off contract at the end of this season. Penrith and St George Illawarra expressed interest in Williams last year, and the Raiders are desperate to retain him. Should Papalii leave, money would be freed up to keep him.
 

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South Sydney needed a prop to overcome their front-row injury crisis midway through the 2011 season, so the Rabbitohs convinced Leeds to release Luke Burgess by paying the Super League club a transfer fee.
Unlike Josh Papalii's move from Canberra to Paramatta next season, the deal was done with no acrimony between the Rabbitohs and Rhinos and no hysteria about a player signing for a rival NRL club 12 months in advance.
Burgess had already decided to join his brother Sam, who was also released early from his contract with Bradford after Souths paid a transfer fee, but Leeds wanted to retain Luke's services for the remainder of the season to avoid a similar front-row shortage to the one that had hit the Rabbitohs.
However, financial compensation from Souths convinced the Rhinos to release Burgess immediately and he was lining up for the Rabbitohs just a few weeks later.
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If only the Eels and Raiders could come to a similar arrangement over Papalii that would benefit both clubs.
Instead, the 20-year-old may now be subjected to pressure from Canberra officials hoping he will change his mind before round 13 and renege on the $1.5 million, three-year deal with Parramatta announced on Friday night, while fans will question his commitment every time he drops a ball or misses a tackle.
For their part, the Eels say they have not broached the subject of Papalii joining them this year as he is not off contract until the end of the season but anyone who saw them play against Wests Tigers will tell you they need some aggression in the forwards and the Kiwi-born second rower fits the bill perfectly.
Parramatta officials were negotiating with England hardman Gareth Hock during the off-season and it is understood the club was prepared to pay Wigan a transfer fee to release him, which the Warriors have subsequently done - but to Widnes.
Salary-cap problems also prevented the club from signing Israel Folau and he was lost to rugby union but with the ceiling for player payments increasing to $5.85 million this season under the recently negotiated collective bargaining agreement, the Eels should now be able to accommodate Papalii's contract immediately.
And transfer payments to other clubs are not included under the salary cap, meaning the Raiders may demand to be reasonably compensated for releasing Papalii now.
''Your suggestion seems a fair one for clubs, players and fans but we haven't applied ourselves to other options,'' chief executive of Parramatta, Ken Edwards, said.
Such a deal would help to ease the bitterness felt in Canberra, with officials claiming they were strung along after being told that, if the club matched a $400,000 per season offer from Parramatta, then Papalii would stay.
The Raiders say they met Papalii's demands but they now believe he had already agreed to a more lucrative deal with the Eels.
In response, the club is considering approaches from sponsors about potential third-party deals aimed at convincing Papalii to renege on his deal with Parramatta and stay in Canberra not only for this season but long term.
''He's a talented kid and a good kid - a great fit for the Eels - and Canberra will fight hard to try to make him change his mind,'' Edwards said.
''We will continue to do all we can to make sure he knows he is welcome and will be part of our success.
''We can only work with the rules as they exist.
''Josh has signed a contract - and we have lodged it with the NRL - after Josh and his management considered best offers put forward by Canberra and Eels.
''Josh has spoken about the faith he has in our club and his decision, which, of course, excites us.
''It is an unfortunate set of circumstances that sets up a full and detailed negotiation between three parties which leads to a contract being signed but then potentially opens the process up again.''
 

Tony Bongo

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This signing of other teams' players' 12 months out happens in no other sport in the world. The NRL should try to stop tyhis happening.

The problem I see with stopping it is that the NRL will be open to having more players poached by rugby union. I'm sure the managers will be happy to talk to union clubs even if they can't negotiate with other NRL clubs.
The 13 round rule is being abused by managers by the look of things so I think it needs to go. It's designed to work in the current clubs favour but it doesn't as they just end up paying more. Once a player puts pen to paper and it's cleared by the NRL that should be the end of the story.
Now I know what I'm about to say is a stretch so don't take it too seriously. What would stop clubs from conspiring with their players to block other clubs from poaching players who may be tempted to go elsewhere? Let's say hypothetically that the Eels were chasing 2 players - Papalli and Crocker. Papalli makes a deal with the Raiders that he stays for x amount but will pull out before round 13. The Eels count Papalli in their cap and can't match the Raiders offer to Crocker. Crocker signs and Papalli uses the round 13 rule and stays meaning the Eels have wasted negotiating time thinking they had signed a player who was never going to leave.
In any case the NRL need to make it that a signed contract is honoured.
 

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Wikipedia has been updated to include Josh an Eel in 2014.

On the 22/02/2013 Papalii signed with the Parramatta Eels for the 2014 season.
Some troll has amended the page too..

In 2010, he represented the Queensland under 18 side and was selected in the Junior Kiwis' training squad, although he did not make the final side. He recently played for the Charlotte Bobcats in the NBA. :^o He was selected for the Junior Kiwis in 2011.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Papalii
 

84 Baby

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so go back to innunendo, gossip and damaging speculation all given creedance by a dozen signings announced on 1st july?
As opposed to innuendo, gossip & damaging speculation all given creedence by signings announced days before the season kicks off?
 

Avenger

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so go back to innunendo, gossip and damaging speculation all given creedance by a dozen signings announced on 1st july?

No. Leave the present system but once you sign its all over. No turning back unless you want to sit out for the term of the contract.
 

Craig Johnston

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As opposed to innuendo, gossip & damaging speculation all given creedence by signings announced days before the season kicks off?

there is no innuendo etc here, either the raiders stump up to match by rd 13 or they don't.

at least it's all transparent, if only not the news you like
 

emjaycee

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Personally, my optimistic nature tells me we will see Papalii wearing Blue and Gold in 2014.

i do think that the Round 13 ruling is a farce that needs to be done away with.
Why not give incumbent clubs until round 13 to re-sign who they want and then all un-signed players are on the open market for other clubs to chase.

if as a club you haven't decided by round 13, you lose (or is it loose as so many illiterate posters keep typing)
 

Craig Johnston

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No. Leave the present system but once you sign its all over. No turning back unless you want to sit out for the term of the contract.

then you'll have the other half up in arms about players playing for a club knowing they'll be elsewhere in a whole years time.

(and for the record league is NOT the only league this happens, there a numerous instances of top flight football players signing "bosman" transfers with half a season remaining. holtby to spurs was the most recent high profile, in the end spurs paid 2-3 mil for the immediate release.....is that something the nrl has to consider? otherwise it would have to go back to the old antitampering rules AND a transfer window
 

Joshuatheeel

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It should be once you sign the contract that is it.

We have assuming 500k now spent from our cap for the next three years but we won't know until round 13 if the contract will be honoured or not - yet by then it is likely most big names have made decisions for 2014 and we would have missed the boat if josh does not come.

Wonder what would happen if the eels had a better option come up between now and round 13 and decided to void the contract with josh and go for the better option ??
 

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