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Parramatta Stadium Rebuild and other stuff

Suitman

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Who would have ever thought the Labor Party would be in a fight with the unions?
Well, the greedy RTBU have bought this on themselves with their ridiculous claims.
I fully back Chris Minns and his stance against this bunch of greedy merkins.

 

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Not to be outdone, Kingsford Smith are upgrading T1 and T2 and spending $300m improving efficiencies and making them nicer.


SYD know they are in for a battle.
Yet, they only have so many landing slots which is why a 2nd airport is needed.
It's good to see the upgrades though. Money well spent.
I was at MEL a few weeks ago and that airport is an absolute shambles.
 

Suitman

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Lol.
Tell that to Sydney commuters whose daily commutes are continually being disrupted with unreliable and disrupted train schedules, continually cancelled services and then delays with short notice. Not to mention the go slow trains.
Your union buddies are taking the piss.
Metro is the future.
Did you even read the article, from the ABC?
 
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Lol.
Tell that to Sydney commuters whose daily commutes are continually being disrupted with unreliable and disrupted train schedules, continually cancelled services and then delays with short notice. Not to mention the go slow trains.
They didn't ask the question about who'd have thought... you did.
Your union buddies are taking the piss.
Yes, and the government (also my buddies?) are taking the fight to them. Who'd have thought?! Sounds like its all part of one of those collective/enterprise bargaining process between employees and their employer...
Metro is the future.
Quite probably. It's certainly not the past... yet.
Did you even read the article, from the ABC?
Yes. And had simply posted in reply to your "who'd have thought the government would take on a union" that I'd thought that, and had told you they would/were all along.
 

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https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...a-s-light-rail-ever-open-20241205-p5kw0c.html

Slower than the Notre-Dame rebuild: When will Parramatta’s light rail open?
Anthony Segaert

December 10, 2024 — 5.00am

It was nine years ago this week that western Sydney was given the news: after years of unprecedented housing growth and more strains on public transport resources, Parramatta would get its own light rail.

The crucial new link – running from Westmead, through the blossoming Parramatta CBD and on to Carlingford and Sydney Olympic Park – would allow thousands of new homes to be built around its path and transform dying industrial zones into thriving urban precincts.


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The new light rail route has been tested for almost a year. CREDIT: KATE GERAGHTY

And, then-transport minister Andrew Constance hoped, it would open by 2023.

It’s almost 2025, but there is no start date in sight, and commuters, residents and workers are running out of patience.

“We shouldn’t be treated like second-class citizens,” said City of Parramatta Mayor Martin Zaiter, who is pushing the state government to provide an expected timeline of operations.
The Liberal mayor said the government has stonewalled his requests for information about the project’s progress.

“We’re heading into one of the busiest hospitality seasons; why don’t we have it yet? What really irritates me is there’s been no communication whatsoever with the residents and businesses impacted by this … It’s just not good enough to remain silent.”

Notre-Dame Cathedral was rebuilt from a flaming pile of rubble in less time than Parramatta’s light rail has taken to be built and tested.

Why is it taking so long?

Power, pandemic and pay problems

Trams returned to the tracks at the weekend for testing after an electrical wire fell on a light-rail vehicle during trials, forcing the system offline for almost a fortnight.

That episode – first reported by Seven News – has caused fresh delays, with Transport for NSW scrambling to locate replacement parts for the overhead wiring system.

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Power systems on the Spanish-made light-rail vehicles have proved a constant challenge.

Like the Sydney CBD and eastern suburbs light-rail tracks, Parramatta’s trams mostly rely on power from overhead wiring. In the city, when trams do not have wiring from above, they are electrified from below. In Parramatta, batteries are the backup – but some trams have run out of power while using batteries around Parramatta Square and Westmead Hospital.

Issues with Opal card readers, discovered in August this year, also extended delays that began with the pandemic and continued with record rainfall in 2022.

David Babineau, the bus and tram divisional secretary of the Rail, Tram and Bus Union (RTBU), believes Parramatta’s light rail will not open until mid-2025 because much of the testing conducted over the past year will have to be redone.

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A fridge magnet delivered to residents early in the construction process. CREDIT: FACEBOOK

“What you’re testing has to be what is going to be used,” he said. “Because they’re turning around and replacing a lot of it [following the wire collapse], you can’t turn around and say [earlier testing] was valid because the testing wasn’t done with components currently installed.”

The union is also negotiating with the government over the enterprise agreement for drivers, which Babineau said was affected by the volatile relationship between the RTBU and the government.

‘What a joke’

In October, a car and a tram crashed, and Transport for NSW posted about it on Facebook. Frustrated with the extended delays, Parramatta restaurant owner Peter Zaidan fired back.

“As a business owner on this light-rail path, I am both disgusted and fed up with the constant issues we are experiencing from not just delays but the poor construction and design of these outdoor seating [abominations],” he wrote, sharing a video of a street shelter his restaurant rented from the consortium responsible for the project. “What a joke!”

The government has sought to assuage such concerns by attempting to lure customers to venues around the tracks. In recent months, it has published a restaurant guide, held free meal competitions and organised community days to raise awareness of the testing.

A Transport for NSW spokesperson acknowledged the frustrations with the delays, but said the agency was “committed to making sure that Parramatta light rail is safe and reliable before it opens to passengers”.

“Transport continues to work closely with the Office of the National Rail Safety Regulator to obtain the necessary approvals for passenger services,” they said.

Early in the project, the agency delivered fridge magnets to local homes featuring a sparkling light-rail vehicle below the phrase “Opening 2023”. That date has long passed, but some residents say they have kept them on their fridges as a reminder of what was once promised.

But it wasn’t enough for Zaidan: “No responsibility or ownership is taken by Parramatta light rail for any of the problems,” he complained. “It’s always someone else’s fault!”
 
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Good article highlighting that the original estimate by Constance/LNP that the light rail would open in 2023 was a woefully inadequate prediction.

It was probably driven by election campaigning, and failed to take into account the necessary thorough safety testing regime - and where required, replacement of components, such as all the wires following the recent collapse.
 
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OK then. I'll re-order the last phrase of my post made on the run...

- and where required, replacement of components, such as following the recent wires collapse.

Point still remains valid.
 

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OK then. I'll re-order the last phrase of my post made on the run...

- and where required, replacement of components, such as following the recent wires collapse.

Point still remains valid.

Your point remains invalid while ever you post claims that are 100% untrue.
These issues are also completely on the contractor constructing the line.
 
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Your point remains invalid while ever you post claims that are 100% untrue.
Those words were sent in a rush and have been re-ordered, and the underlying point about the inaccuracy of the LNP estimate remains undeniably true.
These issues are also completely on the contractor constructing the line.
Yes, and the project management supervising the planning and quality of the work and the necessary testing. Which is of course NSW Government - and Labor having to clean up a sloppy rushed LNP mess.
 

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Those words were sent in a rush and have been re-ordered, and the underlying point about the inaccuracy of the LNP estimate remains undeniably true.

Yes, and the project management supervising the planning and quality of the work and the necessary testing. Which is of course NSW Government - and Labor having to clean up a sloppy rushed LNP mess.

you know, politicians are not part of the construction team, you seem to want to make a political issue out of just about anything
 
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Well I wouldn't be the first to politicise posts in this thread....

And construction teams don't set unrealistic overall project completion dates and advertise them on fridge magnets for electioneering purposes.
 

Suitman

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They do when it's part of a contract, and that contract is failed to be delivered on time by the contractor.
 

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And construction teams don't set unrealistic overall project completion dates

no, that's generally the project managers and the construction companies have to agree or set their own building programs as part of the tender process

again, it has nothing to do with politicians or fridge magnets
 

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^^^^ The spanish trams running out of charge when in EV mode is pretty concerning.
 

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https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...a-s-light-rail-ever-open-20241205-p5kw0c.html
Slower than the Notre-Dame rebuild: When will Parramatta’s light rail open?

Now, I’m not a builder or an engineer or whatever…but I can easily see how one building which has its site already there and the design already worked out, could easily be built quicker than a light rail system that runs through a city centre and many populated suburbs.

Sure, the Parra light rail has been slow going, but that’s a ridiculous comparison.
 
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no, that's generally the project managers and the construction companies have to agree or set their own building programs as part of the tender process

again, it has nothing to do with politicians or fridge magnets
No worries. How naive of me to think major infrastructure project managers are beholden in any way to the prerogatives and desired timeframes of departments (and hence the ministers) who are holding the resources that pay for the project and all its constructions!
 

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