Penalty Differentials

[hunters]

I love the imbo's like God King Dean blame the Roosters lack of penalties due to indiscipline. I wonder how they function on a day to day basis.. It must be a struggle doing basic's like tying up shoelaces, turning on the computer, going to the toilet. He probably wears nappies.

Yeah it's just laughable that people can think like this. Can't they see that a sustained conspiracy across the whole of the NRL to keep the Roosters down is far more logical.

When will people start thinking straight!

 

[sretsoor]

The referees need to be transparent to ensure they are impartial. There is no reason that the 'cheat' sheets/ profiles created for each team/ player that they have is not published. Then the public is on the same page on what they are looking for and it also gives the player/ team the opportunity to focus on eliminating that aspect of their game.

Until then, if a player is on the 'watch out for' list, they have no chance at clearing it up as the refs will penalise on suspicion fair or not.

Personally the whole cheat sheets should be abolished as the refs should ref the game that is played before them, not on whats happened previously.

 

[firechild]

Look, as a Rooster fan, I can see why you're upset: You have everything handed to you.
Rich sponsors & fans.
Unlimited 3rd party money.
Able to buy superstars at will.

Your team has never earnt any premiership they've won. They just throw money around, & they make a Grand Final every 3rd year.

You're just gonna have to learn that in life, that if things don't go your way, you must look inwards, & stop blaming everyone else like a spoilt child.

It's pretty stupid of you to harp on the same line that you've just been called out on. The point of discussion is penalties received, how can that possibly be related to how ill-disciplined the Rorters are?

 

[firechild]

The referees need to be transparent to ensure they are impartial. There is no reason that the 'cheat' sheets/ profiles created for each team/ player that they have is not published. Then the public is on the same page on what they are looking for and it also gives the player/ team the opportunity to focus on eliminating that aspect of their game.

Until then, if a player is on the 'watch out for' list, they have no chance at clearing it up as the refs will penalise on suspicion fair or not.

Personally the whole cheat sheets should be abolished as the refs should ref the game that is played before them, not on whats happened previously.

The fundamental problem with cheat sheets is they are self fulfilling. If refs perceive that JWH or Watmong give away stripping penalties then they'll be penalised every time they're involved in a tackle where the ball comes out. They can't fix their game if they're going to be penalised no matter what.

 

[God-King Dean]

It's pretty stupid of you to harp on the same line that you've just been called out on. The point of discussion is penalties received, how can that possibly be related to how ill-disciplined the Rorters are?

95% of penalties are given away when defending.
The more penalties you give away, the more time you spend defending.

 

[dragonsrule10]

The referees need to be transparent to ensure they are impartial. There is no reason that the 'cheat' sheets/ profiles created for each team/ player that they have is not published. Then the public is on the same page on what they are looking for and it also gives the player/ team the opportunity to focus on eliminating that aspect of their game.

Until then, if a player is on the 'watch out for' list, they have no chance at clearing it up as the refs will penalise on suspicion fair or not.

Personally the whole cheat sheets should be abolished as the refs should ref the game that is played before them, not on whats happened previously.

You're spot on about the cheat sheets. When you're looking for a penalty you will find it,even if it's not really there. So like you said, they should be refereeing each game based on what's happening in front of them.

Besides, they ref the same players every week, they know how they play. The cheat sheet is largely redundant anyway, it just seems to be another measure where a referee can go wrong.

 

[aqua_duck]

Everyone seems to miss the point entirely, ok the roosters give away a fair few penalties, I don't think any roosters fan has argued that, but that should have absolutely no correlation with how many penalties they receive. Maybe it's just a coincidence that the team playing team every week just happens to drastically improve their discipline for that week only

 

[firechild]

95% of penalties are given away when defending.
The more penalties you give away, the more time you spend defending.

Based on that logic you'd expect the Roosters to have less than 50% possession (significantly) pretty much every week but that's simply not the case. Therefore they're spending a similar amount of time defending as any other team.

 

[betcats]

Everyone seems to miss the point entirely, ok the roosters give away a fair few penalties, I don't think any roosters fan has argued that, but that should have absolutely no correlation with how many penalties they receive. Maybe it's just a coincidence that the team playing team every week just happens to drastically improve their discipline for that week only

If you are giving away penalties then you dont have the ball which means you arent getting penalties, GKD just pointed this out. Wont explain it all but its part of it im sure.

 

[Bgoodorgoodatit]

Based on that logic you'd expect the Roosters to have less than 50% possession (significantly) pretty much every week but that's simply not the case. Therefore they're spending a similar amount of time defending as any other team.

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f**k some people on here are morons........... I'm surprised we win any games since we never have the ball. must be a lot of tries of intercepts.. quick someone go and look that up..:crazy:

step 1 give away lots and lots of intentional penalties to ensure we never have the ball and thus receive even less penalties.

step 2.........

step 3 Profit!

 

[betcats]

This

f**k some people on here are morons........... I'm surprised we win any games since we never have the ball. must be a lot of tries of intercepts.. quick someone go and look that up..:crazy:

step 1 give away lots and lots of intentional penalties to ensure we never have the ball and thus receive even less penalties.

step 2.........

step 3 Profit!

Step 2: Be a couple million over the cap.

 

[Lambretta]

Most teams would like a fair playing field in recruitment and retention of players but they will never get it. This is why no one gives a f**k about Roosters fans whinging about penatly counts. Do you care when other fans whinge about your non existent salary cap?

Which they all were when they first signed up for the Roosters - of course they were

RTS, SKD, Nene McDonald, Daniel Tupou, Mitchell Pearce, Sam Moa, Matt McIllwrick, Jake Friend, Boyd Cordner, Aiden Guerra, Isaac Liu, Mitch Aubusson, Dylan Napa, Kane Evans, Sio Siua Taukeiaho. All came through the grades at the Roosters or were unsigned players

Only Jennings, Maloney & Warea Hagreaves were established players at other clubs

Don't piss and f**king moan about the salary cap just because a club develops players from a young age (something we're constantly criticised for not doing) and turns them into representative players through their success. If the Roosters had to pay market prices today for our team we'd never fit them under the cap and the team would be torn apart. But many of our young players were signed on long term deals at levels well under what they'd be worth today. That's great management and player development. Something you should be applauding and demanding the team you support does. Not something to criticise.

 

[Danish]

95% of penalties are given away when defending.
The more penalties you give away, the more time you spend defending.

We've spent more time in possession than not over the past 2 years.

:edit:

Just this year for example, we've been in possession for an average of 50.75%. We've received 17 penalties in that time.

Cronulla on the other hand have been in possession an average of 49.25% of their games. They've received 43 penalties.

This equates to 3.66 mins in possession per penalty for the sharks, and 9.55 mins in possession per penalty for us.

Might want to rethink your theory and try to shoe horn something else around it. May I suggest something about roosters not employing milking tactics or lying down for high shots (which is something Robinson has stated multiple times he refuses to coach)

 

[Lambretta]

Because Roosters give away more penalties.

Penalty counts against most teams most weeks are usually between 7 and 8. But generally they are awarded a similar amount.

The Roosters usually concede the 7 or 8 same as every other team and are awarded 4 or 5 in return.

This is fairly consistant over a long period

Must be our ill discipline that has us receiving less. Of course, that's it.

 

[redvscotty]

I thought the Roosters intentionally gave away penalties when other teams got on a roll to set the line defensively and give themselves a slight breather while disrupting the other teams offensive roll-on.

They obviously back their own defense enough to do this...

 

[betcats]

Which they all were when they first signed up for the Roosters - of course they were

RTS, SKD, Nene McDonald, Daniel Tupou, Mitchell Pearce, Sam Moa, Matt McIllwrick, Jake Friend, Boyd Cordner, Aiden Guerra, Isaac Liu, Mitch Aubusson, Dylan Napa, Kane Evans, Sio Siua Taukeiaho. All came through the grades at the Roosters or were unsigned players

Only Jennings, Maloney & Warea Hagreaves were established players at other clubs

Don't piss and f**king moan about the salary cap just because a club develops players from a young age (something we're constantly criticised for not doing) and turns them into representative players through their success. If the Roosters had to pay market prices today for our team we'd never fit them under the cap and the team would be torn apart. But many of our young players were signed on long term deals at levels well under what they'd be worth today. That's great management and player development. Something you should be applauding and demanding the team you support does. Not something to criticise.

You signed SBW and Maloney for 2013 and then in january that year managed to squeeze Jennings in. No matter what your squad is that should strain your cap. Following year you tried to squeeze Fergo in aswell.

There are only 2 or 3 clubs clubs who could sign SBW, a well rated half(had just been to a gf when he signed and was in demand) and a rep centre the same year.

 

[Bgoodorgoodatit]

We've spent more time in possession than not over the past 2 years.

:edit:

Just this year for example, we've been in possession for an average of 50.75%. We've received 17 penalties in that time.

Cronulla on the other hand have been in possession an average of 49.25% of their games. They've received 43 penalties.

This equates to 3.66 mins in possession per penalty for the sharks, and 9.55 mins in possession per penalty for us.

Might want to rethink your theory and try to shoe horn something else around it. May I suggest something about roosters not employing milking tactics or lying down for high shots (which is something Robinson has stated multiple times he refuses to coach)

now now Danish lets not complicate the situation with facts...

 

[Captain Apollo]

Which they all were when they first signed up for the Roosters - of course they were

RTS, SKD, Nene McDonald, Daniel Tupou, Mitchell Pearce, Sam Moa, Matt McIllwrick, Jake Friend, Boyd Cordner, Aiden Guerra, Isaac Liu, Mitch Aubusson, Dylan Napa, Kane Evans, Sio Siua Taukeiaho. All came through the grades at the Roosters or were unsigned players

Mate I would not have included McIllwrick in that list. He was under contract to the Raiders. We only got him as we released FPN to go to the Raiders. His signing was more "unusual" in that respect than the others.

 

[Bgoodorgoodatit]

Step 2: Be a couple million over the cap.

Nobodies supposed to know step 2 mate.... you could be onto something here, quick get on the phone to your club and make the suggestion!

 

[Captain Apollo]

You signed SBW and Maloney for 2013 and then in january that year managed to squeeze Jennings in. No matter what your squad is that should strain your cap. Following year you tried to squeeze Fergo in aswell.

There are only 2 or 3 clubs clubs who could sign SBW, a well rated half and a rep centre the same year.

Gee who did we lose for season 2013 again -

• Braith Anasta
• Justin Carney
• Curtis Rona
• Peni Tagive
• Mose Masoe
• 'BJ' Leilua.

Anasta was the club captain at the time and would not have been on small change. BJ wasn't either as he had re-signed only earlier in 2012. Carney and Masoe were squad players so would have been on average money. Rona and Tagive would have been on the minimum.

It is well known that the club had hoped the Warriors would give Maloney an early release for 2012 so they kept space in the salary cap for him in case he came in 2012. As such there was space under the cap.

Additionally, if memory serves, Jennings was given a pay out for termination of his contract so it is quite possible he signed for below market value.

p.s.

How did this thread get hi-jacked into yet another squabble about the salary cap?