Peter Beatte NRL 360 - expansion

[MugaB]

Most of what you have stated is valid. Relocations are not the answer although the Bears is one that gains a lost area and brings in a new area. Otherwise additional clubs are the way to go. It's pretty simple but not for some.

Im not trying to answer anything, thats just my opinion, of what i'd rather see happen, rather than demotion to lower teir, or mergers, i want more teams around Australia and the pacific, and sydney's clubs brands can help expand that, wests tigers but in perth?
Roosters in Adelaide, etc... that way we can have a promoted PNG Hunters versus a South Pacific Islanders
(i might copyright that name hehe)

 

[MugaB]

Got any actual evidence for that?

This again? Lawyer/troll talk
Well my calculations state......

Back to the
Peter Beattie Expansion Talks?
My pick for the next 4 teams
Sunshine Coast Dolphins
South Pacific Islanders
Central Coast Bears
Papua New Guinea Hunters

Perth and Adelaide get relocated teams from Sydney

 

[titoelcolombiano]

You still can't work it out! Can you!? These Sydney clubs have way more widespread support than you could imagine! That's where your ignorance abounds!

You didn't answer the question.... again

I've given you the evidence behind my claim, so tell me. Based on that evidence, are we going to pretend that all Sydney clubs are the same size with the same sized supporter base?

 

[The Great Dane]

This again? Lawyer/troll talk

Asking people to back up their assertions isn't trolling, it's keeping the discussion based in reality instead of letting it go off into some fantasy land...

 

[The Great Dane]

Im not trying to answer anything, thats just my opinion, of what i'd rather see happen, rather than demotion to lower teir, or mergers, i want more teams around Australia and the pacific, and sydney's clubs brands can help expand that, wests tigers but in perth?
Roosters in Adelaide, etc... that way we can have a promoted PNG Hunters versus a South Pacific Islanders
(i might copyright that name hehe)

Oh BTW there's noway that a PNG NRL team will realistically be sustainable in the next 30 or so years without massive government support (but the NRL doesn't want to get involved in politics in that way cause it'll end in tears), and depending on how you'd do it it's extremely unlikely that a "South Pacific" team would be sustainable either. But even if they were sustainable neither would be more valuable than Brisbane, Perth, Adelaide, Kiwi clubs, etc anyway so they'd be overlooked.

It's sad cause I think everybody would like to see a PNG club kicking about in the NRL, but it is what it is.

 

[Stallion]

Got any actual evidence for that?

I reckon that for the most part they don't really have all that much more support then any other team (except for a few exceptions).

Yes. The evidence is called common sense! Do you honestly these clubs have been.ignored by the greater population outside of Sydney whilst being televised nationwide on primetIme tv for decades! ? That's called commonsense. Ignorance is not to understand/recognise this fact!

 

[Stallion]

You didn't answer the question.... again

I've given you the evidence behind my claim, so tell me. Based on that evidence, are we going to pretend that all Sydney clubs are the same size with the same sized supporter base?

Your evidence shows a high mark in crowds in 1994 of over 15000. Pretty sure crowds of over 18000 or so we're featured during that season in a 20000 capacity ground . This being the case, do you think these people suddenly passed away over a few years when the Bears were unnecessarily culled.And do you understand that Bears fans are not isolated to just the North Sydney area? They are Australia wide in support just as the other Sydney based clubs have. This is due mostly to the decades of television exposure of the very popular Big League. Your derision of this popular competition shows your apathy and ignorance!

 

[Jimmy Wiggle]

Yes. The evidence is called common sense! Do you honestly these clubs have been.ignored by the greater population outside of Sydney whilst being televised nationwide on primetIme tv for decades! ? That's called commonsense. Ignorance is not to understand/recognise this fact!

You keep going on about prime time tv coverage, do you have any proof of that? I remember the abc coverage on a Saturday in Brisbane until the broncos came into the comp, otherwise it was the brl on at a reasonable time. I moved to Perth in 1994 the games were on at midnight. I don’t think that is considered prime time.

 

[Stallion]

You keep going on about prime time tv coverage, do you have any proof of that? I remember the abc coverage on a Saturday in Brisbane until the broncos came into the comp, otherwise it was the brl on at a reasonable time. I moved to Perth in 1994 the games were on at midnight. I don’t think that is considered prime time.

Should have stipulated in Australias largest populated state, NSW and later on the eastern seaboard. (which has well over half of the Australian population) But fair call. Even without WA it's massive and was extremely popular. From memory Sevens Big League was aired on a Sunday night at 6.30pm. The audience was big for many years!

 

[MugaB]

Asking people to back up their assertions isn't trolling, it's keeping the discussion based in reality instead of letting it go off into some fantasy land...

Sorry but i hate to break it to you, asking for a straight answer from forum members about expansion ideas, isnt reality based at all, most of whats written in the 33 pages of dribble here is fantasyland, FACT! you have been trolling other forum members into giving some explanation and assertions to opinionated posts, none of what is here is based in any reality, lossen up y'all, I've 4 straight pages of titoelcolombiano, stallion and the great dane, blabber on about crowd figures in north sydney bears history, to what end.
"But my point is?..."
No wonder all the expansion threads get blocked
Move on

 

[The Great Dane]

Sorry but i hate to break it to you, asking for a straight answer from forum members about expansion ideas, isnt reality based at all, most of whats written in the 33 pages of dribble here is fantasyland, FACT! you have been trolling other forum members into giving some explanation and assertions to opinionated posts, none of what is here is based in any reality, lossen up y'all, I've 4 straight pages of titoelcolombiano, stallion and the great dane, blabber on about crowd figures in north sydney bears history, to what end.
"But my point is?..."
No wonder all the expansion threads get blocked
Move on

Firstly, so much as I can remember I haven’t said anything about the Bears and I definitely haven’t talked about their crowds...

Now that’s out of the way, do I seriously have to explain the difference between objective and subjective opinions and why when sharing objective opinions you need to back up your opinions?!

Frankly if you aren’t willing to argue your ideas or even be questioned about your ideas then the expansion sub forum isn’t for you, maybe you should try the jersey threads where almost everything that is talked about is subjective and there are no wrong answers...

 

[MugaB]

Firstly, so much as I can remember I haven’t said anything about the Bears and I definitely haven’t talked about their crowds...

Now that’s out of the way, do I seriously have to explain the difference between objective and subjective opinions and why when sharing objective opinions you need to back up your opinions?!

Frankly if you aren’t willing to argue your ideas or even be questioned about your ideas then the expansion sub forum isn’t for you, maybe you should try the jersey threads where almost everything that is talked about is subjective and there are no wrong answers...

Agreed, im not willing to argue, nor do i feel the need to "fact check" and support any comments made, i just like to throw out ideas, and agree or disagree however i feel,
Arguments are for parliament, and pestering others to retort to validate yourself to others is pointless.
I say id like to see a south pacific islander team, up to you how you want to take that, im not going go into the business case or viability of it, same as PNG hunters being promoted aswell as others too, we can agree or disagree about these fantasy teams within 10+ years or so, either way its a discussion that can be had. or not.
Lot of good posts are on these expansion threads until the trolling starts looking for answers and figures to support opinions made, you shouldn't have to be defensive regarding thoughts and ideas

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Your evidence shows a high mark in crowds in 1994 of over 15000. Pretty sure crowds of over 18000 or so we're featured during that season in a 20000 capacity ground . This being the case, do you think these people suddenly passed away over a few years when the Bears were unnecessarily culled.And do you understand that Bears fans are not isolated to just the North Sydney area? They are Australia wide in support just as the other Sydney based clubs have. This is due mostly to the decades of television exposure of the very popular Big League. Your derision of this popular competition shows your apathy and ignorance!

15k average in one of their best ever seasons is pretty poor. It is at the level of Manly and they are one of the smaller Sydney clubs. As I pointed out, the Dogs did that last year and their season was abysmal. I would imagine a percentage of them would have passed away, a percentage would have moved on to follow another club and a percentage would have been lost to the game. Who cares, good riddance - we know have more than replaced the Norths fan base in Melbourne with a much higher ceiling, better stadium and much, much higher TV ratings and Norths can not longer hold the NRL back, they can get on with blocking attempts to develop north sydney to the detriment of the larger game.

 

[The Great Dane]

Agreed, im not willing to argue, nor do i feel the need to "fact check" and support any comments made, i just like to throw out ideas, and agree or disagree however i feel,
Arguments are for parliament, and pestering others to retort to validate yourself to others is pointless.
I say id like to see a south pacific islander team, up to you how you want to take that, im not going go into the business case or viability of it, same as PNG hunters being promoted aswell as others too, we can agree or disagree about these fantasy teams within 10+ years or so, either way its a discussion that can be had. or not.
Lot of good posts are on these expansion threads until the trolling starts looking for answers and figures to support opinions made, you shouldn't have to be defensive regarding thoughts and ideas

You really don't understand do you...

The whole point of this sub-forum is to discuss and where necessary argue about expansion, that is literally why it exists, if you want to just throw out wish lists and the such that is fine, just ignore people when they respond, but if you can't handle people responding and wanting you to back up your positions then you are probably in the wrong place.

BTW you should probably look up what trolling means, and do you really think that people shouldn't have to be able to defend their thoughts and ideas? Cause with all due respect I'd suggest that if you really thought about it you'd realise that is a really dumb thing to say...

 

[Stallion]

15k average in one of their best ever seasons is pretty poor. It is at the level of Manly and they are one of the smaller Sydney clubs. As I pointed out, the Dogs did that last year and their season was abysmal. I would imagine a percentage of them would have passed away, a percentage would have moved on to follow another club and a percentage would have been lost to the game. Who cares, good riddance - we know have more than replaced the Norths fan base in Melbourne with a much higher ceiling, better stadium and much, much higher TV ratings and Norths can not longer hold the NRL back, they can get on with blocking attempts to develop north sydney to the detriment of the larger game.

Believe it or not, even kids are still aware of the North Sydney Bears. The television replays have seen to this and their hibernating fans still speak of this club. The support is much bigger than you think! And that goes for all the Sydney based clubs that grew into public notoriety through the tv coverage of the 70s through to the 90s. It's a reality you refuse to appreciate or acknowledge.

 

[MugaB]

You really don't understand do you...

The whole point of this sub-forum is to discuss and where necessary argue about expansion, that is literally why it exists, if you want to just throw out wish lists and the such that is fine, just ignore people when they respond, but if you can't handle people responding and wanting you to back up your positions then you are probably in the wrong place.

BTW you should probably look up what trolling means, and do you really think that people shouldn't have to be able to defend their thoughts and ideas? Cause with all due respect I'd suggest that if you really thought about it you'd realise that is a really dumb thing to say...

I understand very well how forums work, you're just a tool about you go about replying to others, you troll them. as if we all are beneath you, and you argue pointlessly every post when it comes to anything i would post, basically you're defensive and constantly post dribble about how you have to make yourself and others accountable for their facts, figures and debate, these forums don't exist for arguing some fact finding missions, but it seems its all you want to do, like a troll climbing some debate ladder
The forums are about discussion, ideas and expression, not attacking other members arguments, for your own validation

 

[tri_colours]

Im not trying to answer anything, thats just my opinion, of what i'd rather see happen, rather than demotion to lower teir, or mergers, i want more teams around Australia and the pacific, and sydney's clubs brands can help expand that, wests tigers but in perth?
Roosters in Adelaide, etc... that way we can have a promoted PNG Hunters versus a South Pacific Islanders
(i might copyright that name hehe)

And where would Penrith be put?

 

[LeagueXIII]

I prefer clubs be removed from the NRL that are clearly holding the game back. That goes for Sydney and non-Sydney clubs.

We see things very differently. I like the expansion clubs, but a loss of tradition is a huge blow, I see all Sydney clubs as massive strengths for the game, no matter where they sit on the spectrum.

 

[LeagueXIII]

Got any actual evidence for that?

I reckon that for the most part they don't really have all that much more support then any other team (except for a few exceptions).

What rubbish, St.George has supporters everywhere, Souths also, Parramatta too just to name a few.

I can tell you Balmain were a very popular club also outside Sydney.

 

[MugaB]

And where would Penrith be put?

Perth panthers perhaps, i wasn't trying to be litteral with the clubs, just an example it didn't have to be the roosters in adelaide or tigers in perth, i just meant any of the sydney clubs could move out to expand around Australia, they have the brand recognition of 50-100 years, which is better than what a new franchises brand would offer, in a new city