Peter V'landys - New NRL/ARLC Chairman

[Perth Red]

Again, as previously discussed the Dolphins do not have 'The' as part of their name.

I would suggest basing the selection of team 18 based on the name of the side would not be sound business sense

Nor would basing it on the notion that one club could cover an entire nz population
and if it could dont we have the warriors already there?

 

[MugaB]

We need academies in Auckland, Brisbane, Caanberra, Perth, Sydney and Townsville to develop players. Over time we could put one in Melbourne.

You sound like every team that just created a COE in sydney... after copying the panthers.
You also sound obvious... Melbourne has one..
Its just run in qld

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

So that's just the usual blah blah blah without a lol or afl mention.

Why were Penrith given a team in 1967? Because it was seen that it was needed because league was played there. Ditto Cronulla. Ditto Canberra. Ditto Illawarra. Ditto Brisbane. Ditto North Queensland. Ditto Auckland. Ditto Gold Coast. Ditto Dolphins/Brisbane again.

You'll notice there is one team not mentioned there. The team that has no juniors and continues to take but not contribute to the junior pool.

Your small, selfish brain fails to realise that you put teams where kids are playing And those kids grow up to be first graders. That is why the ruling body, whatever guise it is made decision to put teams in these areas - because they built where they people are.

This mentality is why our game has never expanded into new markets.

Soccer, tennis, golf, volleyball and basketball wouldn't be global sports if they never expanded into new markets that didn't have any participation.

Time to expand beyond our traditional areas though, or the game will become too niche and too limited.

The extra revenue generated by expanding our footprint can be used to develop our existing and enhance our existing grass roots, whilst developing a new market.

We'll need a few Sydney clubs to relocate or drop back to NSW Cup for this to work. Not happening any time soon. We're doomed to be a niche sport and could become like RU.

 

[MugaB]

We'll need a few Sydney clubs to relocate or drop back to NSW Cup for this to work. Not happening any time soon. We're doomed to be a niche sport and could become like RU.

Or not... you seem to be obseessed with rationalization, just to suit your own internal market strategy.... ive said this for years, licences cost the league nothing... we can have 32 teams, if thats what they wanted. Its not feasible, but taking away the existing brands or relocating them could also damage them enough that theyd be useless to the area theyd move to or useless to the league overall after the move... it would be far better to just promote existing lower grade teams like east tigers, redcliffe etc

 

[siv]

Soccer, tennis, golf, volleyball and basketball wouldn't be global sports if they never expanded into new markets that didn't have any participation

These sports bar golf expanded due to Olympics

 

[siv]

This mentality is why our game has never expanded into new markets.

Soccer, tennis, golf, volleyball and basketball wouldn't be global sports if they never expanded into new markets that didn't have any participation.

We'll need a few Sydney clubs to relocate or drop back to NSW Cup for this to work. Not happening any time soon. We're doomed to be a niche sport and could become like RU.

Re-establush the BRL/QRL comp with Cowboys / Broncos / Gold Coast / Redcliffe / Storm / Warriors will give you that same opportunity

Without cannibalising NSW

 

[Canard]

The NBL is competing with the NCAA for talent. Players like Lamelo Ball chose the NBL over the NCAA to make their way into the NBA and we're paid in the process.

Competing is over stating it, a few players have skipped College to play NBL, but 99.9% still do.

 

[Canard]

This mentality is why our game has never expanded into new markets.

Soccer, tennis, golf, volleyball and basketball wouldn't be global sports if they never expanded into new markets that didn't have any participation.

We'll need a few Sydney clubs to relocate or drop back to NSW Cup for this to work. Not happening any time soon. We're doomed to be a niche sport and could become like RU.

Those sports didn't "expand" their domestic competitions into those countries.

They started at the grassroots and grew over many decades into what they are now.

That's a completely different situation to just plonking a NRL side in Asia.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Where do you want to sell it and why?

Is it just to put dots on a map? Let's look at Perth. Why Perth? What has Perth got? A small interest in rugby league. But what else? Is Perth such an economic powerhouse that going without a team going to be detrimental to the NRL? You don't expand just to show off. You expand to expose yourself to more eyes and ultimately more dollars. Is the cost of expansion to a new area like Perth really worth it?

AFL Red alleges that V'landys is beholden to television. If that's the case, wouldn't the TV networks be pushing for a Perth side if they thought it would increase their ability to make money?

Ch9 and Kerry Packer wanted a Perth team in the 1990s for the time slot and access to a new market.

I hate to break it to you buddy, but many of the Sydney clubs generate little revenue.

Cronulla generated just $4m from sponsorship and corporate hospitality in 2021. Bulldogs just $3.6m.

Two of the bigger clubs from Sydney are Eels ($7.9m), and Panthers ($9.1m)

Compare that to the Cowboys ($8.9m) and Broncos $12.7m.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

These sports bar golf expanded due to Olympics

These sports were added to the Olympics because they were widely played around the world!

The IOC won't admit a sport unless it's played in about 50 or more countries. I cannot remember the exact number, but it's a lot.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Competing is over stating it, a few players have skipped College to play NBL, but 99.9% still do.

The NBL didn't tap into this avenue until a few years ago. Now more players are skipping NCAA to play in the NBL after Lamelo Ball's success.

 

[MugaB]

Ch9 and Kerry Packer wanted a Perth team in the 1990s for the time slot and access to a new market.

I hate to break it to you buddy, but many of the Sydney clubs generate little revenue.

Cronulla generated just $4m from sponsorship and corporate hospitality in 2021. Bulldogs just $3.6m.

Two of the bigger clubs from Sydney are Eels ($7.9m), and Panthers ($9.1m)

Compare that to the Cowboys ($8.9m) and Broncos $12.7m.

Its only relative, in a few years those teams doing well will be sitting mid table, and not generate as much, then the dogs and shark will, again its all cyclical, your cherry picking would make you a terrible businessman.. lets cull all that doesn't aim up philosophy is just plain dumb

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Those sports didn't "expand" their domestic competitions into those countries.

They started at the grassroots and grew over many decades into what they are now.

That's a completely different situation to just plonking a NRL side in Asia.

No one mentioned Asia. Try to follow the discussion. We're talking about Perth and NZ 2. The only way RL will expand in today's world is via a top down model as sport is a business and technology allows us to stream content from the other side of the world.

Melbourne Storm are an example of the top down model working in a market where a bottom up approach would fail. Same would apply to Asia, Europe, South America, Africa and North America.

 

[Colk]

These sports were added to the Olympics because they were widely played around the world!

The IOC won't admit a sport unless it's played in about 50 or more countries. I cannot remember the exact number, but it's a lot.

Soccer struggled when it first started in the Olympics. The sport hit its popularity because of their World Cup and their domestic competitions. In fact having soccer in the Olympics in the format that it is in makes little sense but that is a digression

 

[Wb1234]

So average wages around 400k
Up 23 percent

wow the game really is flush with cash

every stakeholder is getting a good feed

 

[siv]

These sports were added to the Olympics because they were widely played around the world!

The IOC won't admit a sport unless it's played in about 50 or more countries. I cannot remember the exact number, but it's a lot.

Yes have to wonder how Gridiron got added

 

[Vee]

So average wages around 400k
Up 23 percent

wow the game really is flush with cash

every stakeholder is getting a good feed

Except juniors, regions, the bush and affiliated States.

 

[Wb1234]

Except juniors, regions, the bush and affiliated States.

Nah it’s been shown spending on juniors has gone up

oh and clubs getting 5 million over the cap.

and funding a 17 th team

happy days

and re affiliated states Perth to get an nrl team

 

[Iamback]

So the GDP per capita in Perth is twice that of NZ. That would offers more for advertiser and corporates.

Anyway I agree NZ 2 offers heaps and I would like to have them in a competition but the biggest problem I see is where would you put them?

If you put Nz 2 in Auckland you run the risk of weakening or diluting the support the Warriors have which is the exact opposite of what you would want in an expansion.

If you put them in say Christchurch (which I prefer) or Wellington then the question is are these areas big enough to be financially viable.

I would like to see both Perth and NZ 2 essentially and then toss up between Brisbane or even a third NZ side for the 20th side.

Wellington is hosting a game next year, There has to be some support there to 'buy' a game

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Soccer struggled when it first started in the Olympics. The sport hit its popularity because of their World Cup and their domestic competitions. In fact having soccer in the Olympics in the format that it is in makes little sense but that is a digression

Tennis, soccer and golf shouldn't be in the Olympics. Basketball probably shouldn't be there either as the gulf between the NBA and every other league gives America an unfair advantage.