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Peter V'landys - New NRL/ARLC Chairman

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which part exactly was nonsense?

Ratings are at an all time high. Thats a fact.
Memberships are likely to be at an all time high. Thats pretty educated reasoning.
Revenue is up. Thats a fact.
Crowds are at their highest level in 8 years. Thats a fact.
Crowds for the Storm are their highest ever. Thats a fact.
That Fox paid extra money for the Dolphins entry is a fact.
That clubs generate the money the NRL recieves is a fact.
When you remove Magic Round they're not so great. They're not bad either, but considering we're at such a low base they should be going up.
 

The_Wookie

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Weren’t origin and gf ratings lower than avg last couple of years? What’s the overall ratings based on fact, forget-it you can’t answer as you don’t know kayo ratings and guess them

Origin and gf ratings were lower yes, but theres like 200 odd more games that make up the season.

As for the rest, the overall ratings are quite reasonably assumed based on everything we know - including early season Kayo ratings that were actually published.

Ive seen you make conclusions on matters in this and other threads with far less to go on.

Crowds have been relatively static since the drop off in 2015, they still arent close to that high period. Take out the magic round fudge and they are the same this year as most years since 2016. So no crowds arent up and they aren’t close to record levels.

I mean except where they arent. As stated before, AFLtables ran the same Magic Round calcs in 2020 and 21 - although not in 2019 - and these are higher. And with Magic Round properly calculated 2022 was the highest since 2014.

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fox didn’t pay extra money for dolphins. They paid $240mill in 2017 and they’ll pay $240mill in 2023
$402million ($130 ch9, $32sky, $240 fox)

See this is those pesky guesses you make - and accuse others of making. It was widely reported that they received additional money for the dolphins.



The 240 fox is purely a guess. No one really knows how far over 400m the figures are. We do know that the 2018 deal was estimated at 380m pa, and we know its now up over 400m - about 100m over the life of the journey. We know that they got somewhere around 100m for the additional dolphins matches, as reported on multiple outlets.


that clubs will get a greater revenue % share than ever before is fact. Why they need it, where it’s coming from, and if it’s good for the game are all more to the point.

They dont even need a reason. The game makes money off their back. And they form the majority of votes on the Commission.


memberships have slowed to a crawl since clubs took over and nrl no longer reports the real numbers so again from a data relatability point of view you can not say for fact where it’s at. Why do you think the nrl stopped officially reporting them?

Oh ffs. While the NRL may have stopped publishing them, myself and LeagueUnlimited have never stopped tracking the club data as published by them.

We know what the data was up until 2021. In 2021 only 2 clubs didnt report - Cronulla and Gold Coast, and we know that other than these club memberships were almost 290,000 last year. We know that the previous record was 332,000 in 2018.

We also know that clubs reported 305,000 members this year, with Penrith (18,000 in 2021), Gold Coast and New Zealand not reporting and Cronulla with a single vague update. Its actually quite easy to reach a conclusion that memberships are probably a record number. The Titans and NZ generally sit around 5-7,000 each, and Penrith riding high and in form probably broke their membership record.

While we cant be precise, given the data we have it can certainly be inferred.

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As said earlier, you've drawn conclusions on things with far less information to hand.

revenue is up, but is falling to an all time record gap behind our competitor.

But it is up - and at 575m last year, at its highest level ever. And that was the entire point i was making.

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Buuuuut downers gonna down.

you have no participation rates for the game in pacific isles
and so you’ve pulled that one out of your opinion

Well theres a bit more to it than that - as I said its anecdotal from people Ive spoklen to.

and for all of it the massive Vlandys f**k up that’s going to cost the game hundreds of millions sIts like a big black cloud over the sport and it will pss down on us for years to come. Which you conveniently ignored.

because I dont care about it in this thread. I dont care to see you spout the same bullshit in every thread huimanly possible, and It wasnt part of what i was saying in any case

But you...downers gotta down. Its cool bro.


storm sums it up well, some people are just happy with mediocrity.

Some people are happy to run their chosen sport down at every opportunity. The facts are dude, that there are positives, you just dont give a shit.


for someone who spends so much time using data you have been very unreliable on your usage for this glowing appraisal of Vlandys and the nrl state of health.

For someone who doesnt have the data, you sure spend a lot of time arguing with me about data i actually do have.
 
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Are you sure about that? You have confirmation of Fox payments then? And we know that they are at least chipping in almost 100m for the Dolphins.
We know Ch9's payments.


Nine will pay $115 million cash a year, with a further $15 million in contra and other services.20 Dec 2021


"Whether Foxtel believes it is under any obligation to compensate the NRL is unclear. The pay television network paid around $200 million a season for the NRL when it renegotiated its rights deal two years ago.

Combined with the free-to-air deal with Nine Entertainment Co, the publishers of this masthead, New Zealand, international and radio rights, the total deal is approximately $400m per year.


We know that broadcast revenue has risen from the estimated 380m pa in 2018 to "more than 400m" pa.

Contra has definitely risen.

What about cash?

The SMH article I provided above says "approximately $400m." Could be less for all we know.

What we do know is Sky are paying more this time. If the part about Foxtel chipping in $20m per annum for The Dolphins is correct that means when V'landys originally negotiated the deal he agreed to the same amount as last time.

That doesnt change the fact that the NRL is getting more revenue that it ever has before.

True, but when compared with what the other mob are getting it's a shit deal. Every time the two codes sign a new deal AwFuL comes out on top. I've seen delusional rugby league fans claim we'll beat them next time around for over 15 years. I cannot see us ever beating them.

And I wasnt particularly concerned with comparing it with the AFL when I was listing ways the NRL had grown. But downers gotta down. I got you bro.

The NRL drew higher attendances between 2005 and 2014 than in 2022. This year was an improvement on every season since 2014, but how much of that is down to Cowboys and Broncos rising up the ladder and people getting a chance to see their teams play at stadia without seating restrictions for the first time since the pandemic?

We know this was the first time Storm got to play at home in years.

Yes, AFL Tables has done magic round this way since 2019. Its also up on the 2019 figure and higher than any figures since 2014. Hence....improving.

AFL TABLES includes Magic Round games in their overall figure. I subtracted the total attendance over Magic Round and divided it by 184 to find out what the average was for all games outside of Magic Round. It's only slightly better than the seasons since 2014.

Its been announced and as of this moment hasnt been cancelled.

The gov said the money's going to flood victims. V'landys threw a tantrum.

nowhere yet. Its only been proposed.

@Perth Red knows the amount that was taken out of grassroots.

Sponsorship and game event income is almost certainly higher than it has been since 2019.
Not for a few Sydney teams it ain't.

So? Good for the Cowboys.

You reckon Sydney should have nine teams. The figures prove the Sydney public and commercial sector don't want to support nine teams. A third Brisbane team would offer more than any of the current Sydney teams.

How do you explain Broncos getting $12.7m and Dolphins $10m in sponsorship and corporate hospitality when Sydney's dominant Panthers can only secure $9.1m and are the highest drawing team in Sydney?

Broncos did that despite sitting at the foot of the ladder in 2020 and 2021. Dolphins have an average roster. Panthers win the majority of their games. This ain't looking good for the Sydney teams.

The AFL stopped trying to relocate them in 2007 when the NMFC board said it wasnt going to happen.

They're dying a slow death.

Ive no idea, but i dont toss out bullshit statements without evidence either. Ill wait for the annual report data to come in.
You made an incorrect statement about the Panthers' earnings from sponsorship and corporate hospitality last week that doesn't line up with their 2021 annual report. What you said they earned was way below what their annual report said.
 
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Wb1234

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If you don't know, perhaps you shouldn't be commenting on what will work in Cairns.
Don’t be mad I quoted the guy who is mayor of cairns

I’d prefer png got their own team. It’s not my idea to share with cairns

but a joint bid with cairns does solve all the sledged problems a team based solely in png has

But hey sorry for reading the article and thinking it’s an interesting idea lol
 

Canard

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Don’t be mad I quoted the guy who is mayor of cairns

I’d prefer png got their own team. It’s not my idea to share with cairns

but a joint bid with cairns does solve all the sledged problems a team based solely in png has

But hey sorry for reading the article and thinking it’s an interesting idea lol

That article from half a decade ago.
 
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Unlike afl nrl clubs are dead set against expansion

the clubs paid for an independent report after vlandys wanted to expand in the hope it would kill expansion once and for all

the qrl were against the dolphins being admitted. Just imagine that. A state body dedicated to promoting rugby league in qld was opposed to another nrl club in their area (because the dolphins were a qrl club)


vlandys had been able to circumvent the politics from the state bodies and the clubs

that’s his biggest win

Just remember, it was the QRL that favoured the Broncos for admission to the (then) NSWRL competition as the other major consortium opposing them was fronted by Ron McAuliffe, and the then QRL didn't want him lording it over them any further after he'd stepped down from the QRL Board.
 

The_Wookie

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How can you just "remove Magic Round"? And why?

Should we remove Origin also? And then finals?

Myself - and LeagueUnlimited - have run their calculation as based on the highest attendance reported for each day, divided by the number of matches played. Its also how the NRL reported them in the first year, as did AFLtables.

Ive always run a secondary calculation based on the way the NRL and AFLtables do it now, every match attendance/every match.

What most believe is that this inflates the attendance figures - which it does if done the second way, the problem with the first way is it probably underestimates numbers, but not by much.

Origin and Finals dont run as double headers so no issues there.
 

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