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Peter V'landys - New NRL/ARLC Chairman

The Penguin #6.

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" Crowds were back for the Melbourne Cup but the VRC made a big $17m loss in 2022, and has borrowed more money from the ANZ its financial accounts reveal."

"Its accounts, lodged in recent days, reveal a business model that’s still wholly reliant on four days of racing over the calendar year, with losses and liabilities prompting the board to scramble for more funds to address a burgeoning financial hazard."

" These losses rose to $16.96m from the $14.94m reported by the VRC after the misery of 2021. Its liabilities currently exceed its asset base by $26m, up from $20.1m last year. Revenue increased to $172.2m – up 23 per cent – but so did expenses, climbing 26 per cent to reach $174.3m.'

And from known V`landy`s hater Andrew Webster :

" Let us give praise and thanks to The Great V’landys for the present strength of Sydney racing.

The first day of The Championships at Royal Randwick featured so many quality horses, you didn’t know where to look. The second day, headlined by the $4 million Queen Elizabeth Stakes on Saturday, featuring equine rockstars like Verry Elleegant, Zaaki and Anamoe, will be equally eye-popping.

" The course was heaving with people who wouldn’t normally frequent the track."

" V’landys created The Everest (worth $15m), Golden Eagle ($8m) and other races. This November, he’ll be holding The Big Dance ($2m) on the same afternoon as the Melbourne Cup.

" Racing purists down south scoff at these so-called “pop-up races” but the sheer scale of prizemoney is attracting quality fields and therefore more punters and therefore more revenue for NSW racing.

The punter is staying with us for 12 months, instead of leaving us every spring and going to Melbourne, so our revenues have gone up 50 to 60 per cent,” V’landys says. “Which basically means we can put it into prizemoney. The more prizemoney you have, the better fields you have.”

And meanwhile NSW Racing sits on $170m worth of assets. This is the V`landy`s modus operandi.
 
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Your not comparing apples with apples - if there were 9 teams in Brisbane the Bronco's would not be pulling in 12.7 mill in sponsorship and corporate hospitality - Ditto Cowboys if there were say 4 teams in North Queensland.

Oversaturating Brisbane will cause similar problems to what we're seeing in Sydney. I've never doubted this and don't know why you're bringing it up. All you're doing is proving my point that the Sydney market cannot support nine clubs.

If there were four teams in Brisbane then the Broncos might see a reduction in sponsorship and corporate hospitality, although that would depend on their fanbase shrinking. Their fanbase is easily twice as big as the next biggest club.

Using your argument then as per the following Sydney Teams( Home and away) have more spectators at their games than non Sydney teams (Home away)

Sydney Teams (Home and Away) - 3,507,264
Non Sydney Teams (Home and Away) - 2,732.710


This is the most laughable thing I've seen on this board on ages!

I broke down the figures from AFL Tables by adding up how many people attended games in Sydney at the traditional stadia of the nine Sydney clubs, then did the same for the seven non-Sydney clubs.

There were 86 Games in Sydney that drew a cumulative attendance of 1,275,958 at an average of just 14,839. The seven non-Sydney teams played a total of 73 games at their home venues and drew a cumulative attendance of 1,305,523 at an average of 17,883. I haven't included the games that were played at Central Coast, Redcliffe and regional centres.

Let that sink in. The nine Sydney clubs hosted 13 more games at their traditional stadia yet their cumulative attendance was lower than the seven Non-Sydney clubs.

This is just embarrassing.
 
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I think Brisbane folk would know where those places are - some are regions/areas - i.e St George-Illawarra /Western Suburbs/South Sydney and I am sure there would be supporters of Sydney Teams not only in Brisbane but throughout Queensland

Brisbane BroncosNews Corp Australia (68.87%) BXBX Pty Ltd (9.79%) Lake Morepeth Pty Ltd (6.73%) Others (14.61%)

Looks like the Sydney Folk are propping up the NRL - Higher Combined Crowds and higher viewership(FTA/Pay TV) than Non Sydney areas - quite rightly Sydney Clubs should get the additional funding as a result.

I think you post a lot about subjects you know little about and make sweeping generalisations one has to say.
Go ask most young people in Brisbane to point to Manly, Canterbury, St George, Penrith, Parramatta, Wests, South Sydney and Cronulla on a map and they wouldn't be able to do it. When I was a kid growing up in Brisbane one of the questions I and other kids used to ask was "where is St George / Manly / Parramatta?"

What makes you this kids who've never been to Sydney know its geography?

I'm well aware that News Ltd are the majority owner of the Broncos. I've been talking about it on here for years.

Is there a point you're trying to make?

If you think News Ltd are taking money from the Sydney clubs and handing it to the Broncos then you're not very bright.
 
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2022 Attendances: Sydney vs Non-Sydney Clubs

Sydney GroundGamesAccumulative AttendanceAverage Attendance
Belmore116,99116,991
Brookvale10130,96813,097
Campbelltown327,0349,011
Kogarah542,1058,421
Leichhardt338,37912,793
Penrith Football Stadium
11199,80718,164
S.C.G.9141,18215,686
S.F.S.141,90641,906
Stadium Australia14210,34415,024
Parramatta Stadium19322,22316,959
SYDNEY TOTAL GAMES861,275,95814,836

Non-Sydney TeamGamesAccumulative AttendanceAverage Attendance
Brisbane Broncos12355,12829,594
North Queensland Cowboys12206,52117,210
Gold Coast Titans11140,61612,783
Canberra Raiders11143,30813,028
Melbourne Storm11174,13915,831
New Zealand Warriors481,12820,282
Newcastle Knights12202,68316,890
Non-Sydney Total731,305,52317,883

 
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The_Wookie

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Just remember, it was the QRL that favoured the Broncos for admission to the (then) NSWRL competition as the other major consortium opposing them was fronted by Ron McAuliffe, and the then QRL didn't want him lording it over them any further after he'd stepped down from the QRL Board.

According to "The History of Rugby League Clubs" by Ian Collis and Allan Whittaker

Four organisations made bids to the QRL, which was al;lowed to sanction the franchise (although the winning franchise would have to pay $500,000 to the NSWRL before admission). The Ron McAulliffe led 'Norwood-McKay' group had the public support of Wally Lewis. McAulliffe was also the chairman of the Lang Park Trust and had secured exclusive sponsorship of Castlemaine Breweries atr the home of State of Origin football. McAulliffes group was favoured to gain the franchise over the Maranta-Morgan group, the 'Internationals Sydnicate' headed by John Sattler and Bonb Hagan, and a fourth consortium led by former Brisbane club coach Darryn Van Der Velde. But when QRL delegates voted 5-4 to allow a Brisbane team to join the NSWRL, the move was defeated 5-4, largely on the opposition of the traditional Brisbane clubs. Incredibnly, QRL chairman Bull Hunter declined to use his casting vote (as chairman it was worth two votes if there was a tie).

The Morgan-Maranta consortium offered the Brisbane clubs 30% of the consortiums profit (as opposed to the McAullife groups lump sum offer). When the vote to allow a Brisbane club to field a team in the NSWRL came before the QRL again on 5th April again on 5th April 19897, the vote was unanimous. It was also clear the McAulliffe gro0up no longer had the inside running to secure the franchise. TRhe Barry Maranta consortium was the preferred choice, 7 votes to 3, including the crucial vote of chairman Bill Hunter.

The victory of the Maranta-Morgan group did not please verybody. When ARL Chairman Ken Arthurson expressed his public disappointme4nt at the failture of the McAulliffe group to win the franchise, it immediately set the scene for conflict with the new club. Originally, the new Brisbane club was to be granted exclusive rights to the south-east of Queensland - a move agreed to by the QRL and endorsed by the NSWRL. The same year Brisbane was admiktted, the NSWRL hastily granted a license to a team from the Gold Coast. The LEague even gave the Gold Coast-Tweeed ;Giants' an interest free $500,000 loan and offered financial assistance to the codes other new club, Newcastle. Brisbane on the other hand, were given no such assistance.

The winning consortium also had the ptential to alienate Wally Lewis - the logical captain of the club - as well as the Langf Park Trust headed by McAulliffe. The decision to go with rival brewer Powers immediately got the club offside with the Lang Park Trust.


According to '100 Years of Rugby League in Queensland' (by Tony Price)

At one point it looked like nlo one was going to get a license. In a controversial board meeting on March 23, 1987, the QRL voted afgainst a Brisbane basded team competing in the NSW competition.

Due to his alignment with the Norwood-McKay biud, McAulliffe as chairman, abstained from voting. The board voted 5-4 against a Brisbane license.

There were dual concerns, firstly McAulliffes additional links as chairman of the Lang Park Trust and crucially the potential destructive effect a Brisbane team in the big league would have on clubs in its own state competition.

The NSWRL were outraged, threatening to end the Brisbane license tender process and go ahead in 1988 with a 14 team competition that would feature only one expansikon team in Newcastle. When the dust settled the QRL were won over by the Maranta consortium which offered the organisation 30% of the profits, plus two seats for QRL delegates on its board of directors.

On May 4, 1987 six weeks after the NSWRLs fury at the QRL boardroom policits, the Maranta faction was officially hande dthe Brisbane licenmse to enter the Winfield Cup the following season and the Brisbane Broncos were born. This was also the end of the Brisbane Rugby League competition as we knew it.
 

The_Wookie

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Anyone know what this is about ?

In what they believe is in the “spirit of compromise”, the 17 clubs claim to have sacrificed a whopping $85m during funding negotiations “to support the sustainability of the NRL”.


The Daily Telegraph has obtained an email from clubs to NRL chief executive Andrew Abdo in which they claim to be “willing to accept a significant discount” as part of the funding negotiations.

Club CEOs praised the NRL’s revised funding offer in the email sent on Monday but were adamant a deal is far from finalised. The clubs want an additional $5m from the NRL on top of player payments.

All clubs are insistent they have asked for $1m a year less in funding than what was agreed on in a 2016 MOU.

That agreement — over five years between 2023 and 2027 — collectively equates to around $85m for all clubs.

The 2016 agreement stated clubs would receive 130 per cent of total player payments plus an additional $1.825m.

It would be more money than what the clubs are currently seeking.

The clubs now claim to have essentially waived that extra money in talks to ensure the NRL continues to be financially viable.

“Clubs have sacrificed $85m for the good of the game,” said one club CEO.

 
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According to "The History of Rugby League Clubs" by Ian Collis and Allan Whittaker

Four organisations made bids to the QRL, which was al;lowed to sanction the franchise (although the winning franchise would have to pay $500,000 to the NSWRL before admission). The Ron McAulliffe led 'Norwood-McKay' group had the public support of Wally Lewis. McAulliffe was also the chairman of the Lang Park Trust and had secured exclusive sponsorship of Castlemaine Breweries atr the home of State of Origin football. McAulliffes group was favoured to gain the franchise over the Maranta-Morgan group, the 'Internationals Sydnicate' headed by John Sattler and Bonb Hagan, and a fourth consortium led by former Brisbane club coach Darryn Van Der Velde. But when QRL delegates voted 5-4 to allow a Brisbane team to join the NSWRL, the move was defeated 5-4, largely on the opposition of the traditional Brisbane clubs. Incredibnly, QRL chairman Bull Hunter declined to use his casting vote (as chairman it was worth two votes if there was a tie).

The Morgan-Maranta consortium offered the Brisbane clubs 30% of the consortiums profit (as opposed to the McAullife groups lump sum offer). When the vote to allow a Brisbane club to field a team in the NSWRL came before the QRL again on 5th April again on 5th April 19897, the vote was unanimous. It was also clear the McAulliffe gro0up no longer had the inside running to secure the franchise. TRhe Barry Maranta consortium was the preferred choice, 7 votes to 3, including the crucial vote of chairman Bill Hunter.

The victory of the Maranta-Morgan group did not please verybody. When ARL Chairman Ken Arthurson expressed his public disappointme4nt at the failture of the McAulliffe group to win the franchise, it immediately set the scene for conflict with the new club. Originally, the new Brisbane club was to be granted exclusive rights to the south-east of Queensland - a move agreed to by the QRL and endorsed by the NSWRL. The same year Brisbane was admiktted, the NSWRL hastily granted a license to a team from the Gold Coast. The LEague even gave the Gold Coast-Tweeed ;Giants' an interest free $500,000 loan and offered financial assistance to the codes other new club, Newcastle. Brisbane on the other hand, were given no such assistance.

The winning consortium also had the ptential to alienate Wally Lewis - the logical captain of the club - as well as the Langf Park Trust headed by McAulliffe. The decision to go with rival brewer Powers immediately got the club offside with the Lang Park Trust.


According to '100 Years of Rugby League in Queensland' (by Tony Price)

At one point it looked like nlo one was going to get a license. In a controversial board meeting on March 23, 1987, the QRL voted afgainst a Brisbane basded team competing in the NSW competition.

Due to his alignment with the Norwood-McKay biud, McAulliffe as chairman, abstained from voting. The board voted 5-4 against a Brisbane license.

There were dual concerns, firstly McAulliffes additional links as chairman of the Lang Park Trust and crucially the potential destructive effect a Brisbane team in the big league would have on clubs in its own state competition.

The NSWRL were outraged, threatening to end the Brisbane license tender process and go ahead in 1988 with a 14 team competition that would feature only one expansikon team in Newcastle. When the dust settled the QRL were won over by the Maranta consortium which offered the organisation 30% of the profits, plus two seats for QRL delegates on its board of directors.

On May 4, 1987 six weeks after the NSWRLs fury at the QRL boardroom policits, the Maranta faction was officially hande dthe Brisbane licenmse to enter the Winfield Cup the following season and the Brisbane Broncos were born. This was also the end of the Brisbane Rugby League competition as we knew it.
In 1988 Logan Scorpions coach John Barber wrote a piece in the Albert & Logan News about the Broncos failing to pay the 30% to the clubs. I don't know if the payment dispute was ever settled as Barber resigned as coach at the end of the season and it was never spoken about in the publication.

Another thing the Broncos did that upset BRL clubs in 1988 was playing games at Lang Park on a Sunday arvo at 3pm after agreeing to leave that timeslot reserved for BRL games.

Wayne Bennett prohibited Logan Scorpions from playing Alan Cann in BRL A Grade and forced them to play him in Colts.
 
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Correct my if I am wrong here, but has The Donkey left out his beloved Sharks and "Endeavour Field" in that table grab?????
Total crowds at that ground is 105,019. (out of a possible 115,000, limited due to temporary capacity)
So lets see,
105,019 + 1,275,958 (as per Donkeys table) = 1,380,977

He/she will somehow make this case to be a negative.
 
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Reflector

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Read the articles @Captain Apollo listed that speak about the Broncos' formation. They were f**ked over by Arthurson and Quayle, who demanded they pay a $500k entry fee and in return guaranteed them sole representation of south-east Queensland for three years. A week later they brought in the Gold Coast Giants.
The Gold Coast Giants that (you correctly pointed out) were based in Tweed Heads?

Therefore, not a Qld team but a NSW team, so Arko and Quayle didn't screw the Broncos over at all...
 

Perth Red

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" Crowds were back for the Melbourne Cup but the VRC made a big $17m loss in 2022, and has borrowed more money from the ANZ its financial accounts reveal."

"Its accounts, lodged in recent days, reveal a business model that’s still wholly reliant on four days of racing over the calendar year, with losses and liabilities prompting the board to scramble for more funds to address a burgeoning financial hazard."

" These losses rose to $16.96m from the $14.94m reported by the VRC after the misery of 2021. Its liabilities currently exceed its asset base by $26m, up from $20.1m last year. Revenue increased to $172.2m – up 23 per cent – but so did expenses, climbing 26 per cent to reach $174.3m.'

And from known V`landy`s hater Andrew Webster :

" Let us give praise and thanks to The Great V’landys for the present strength of Sydney racing.

The first day of The Championships at Royal Randwick featured so many quality horses, you didn’t know where to look. The second day, headlined by the $4 million Queen Elizabeth Stakes on Saturday, featuring equine rockstars like Verry Elleegant, Zaaki and Anamoe, will be equally eye-popping.

" The course was heaving with people who wouldn’t normally frequent the track."

" V’landys created The Everest (worth $15m), Golden Eagle ($8m) and other races. This November, he’ll be holding The Big Dance ($2m) on the same afternoon as the Melbourne Cup.

" Racing purists down south scoff at these so-called “pop-up races” but the sheer scale of prizemoney is attracting quality fields and therefore more punters and therefore more revenue for NSW racing.

The punter is staying with us for 12 months, instead of leaving us every spring and going to Melbourne, so our revenues have gone up 50 to 60 per cent,” V’landys says. “Which basically means we can put it into prizemoney. The more prizemoney you have, the better fields you have.”

And meanwhile NSW Racing sits on $170m worth of assets. This is the V`landy`s modus operandi.
Sounds like Andrew Webster got his knuckles wrapped for daring to question Vlandys f**k up and has written a sweet puff piece lol

im not sure where he has figures from, he seems to be comparing apples with oranges? Surely he should be comparing nsw racing to Victoria racing?

revenue increase 5.6% to $576million
surplus of $13.9million
Net assets $197mill

all significantly higher than nsw racing last year.

 
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Reflector

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I think Brisbane folk would know where those places are - some are regions/areas - i.e St George-Illawarra /Western Suburbs/South Sydney and I am sure there would be supporters of Sydney Teams not only in Brisbane but throughout Queensland

Brisbane BroncosNews Corp Australia (68.87%) BXBX Pty Ltd (9.79%) Lake Morepeth Pty Ltd (6.73%) Others (14.61%)

Looks like the Sydney Folk are propping up the NRL - Higher Combined Crowds and higher viewership(FTA/Pay TV) than Non Sydney areas - quite rightly Sydney Clubs should get the additional funding as a result.

I think you post a lot about subjects you know little about and make sweeping generalisations one has to say.
Nah, GROTD only knows people who follow the Broncos/ Cowboys/ Storm and has only ever seen people wearing the merch of those 3 teams in Qld, apparently...
 

Iamback

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Correct my if I am wrong here, but has The Donkey left out his beloved Sharks and "Endeavour Field" in that table grab?????
Total crowds at that ground is 105,019. (out of a possible 115,000, limited due to temporary capacity)
So lets see,
105,019 + 1,275,958 (as per Donkeys table) = 1,380,977

He/she will somehow make this case to be a negative.

There isn't enough data in the world to point out all of his errors
 

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