Peter V'landys - New NRL/ARLC Chairman

[bad boy bubby]

There isn't enough data in the world to point out all of his errors

He even provided the link to the tables he was using
He's like the villain in the 60's Batman tv series. Batman always said the criminal psych wants to be caught, so they lay their own subconscious trap for themselves to be found out

 

[Wb1234]

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/rugby-league-news-nrl-clubs-claim-to-have-waived-additional-money-in-spirit-of-compromise/news-story/d40918527dcdd89e0c9789aaa93770b0

Thanks

so the clubs are arguing vlandys stick to a dud deal john grant did to bribe them not to sack him (which they did anyway a year later)

imo 5 million over the cap is way too much money. Clubs have little incentive to grow memberships or crowds as they have a huge chunk of their revenue from the grant and with a salary cap in place they can’t spend more on players

thus just rewards laziness

 

[Perth Red]

The fact laced arse whooping that Wookie handed out to the two anti RL posters on here was probably the best I’ve seen on here in over a decade .
Absolutely smashed with facts .
well done .

like I said if you’re happy with mediocre results for $3billion expense then yeh he has made good points! As you’re a mediocre person I’d fully expect you to be happy with it.
here’s some facts for you
- crowds lower than 10 years ago
- membership growth slowed to a trickle, that we know of as it’s now not even bothered being counted officially
- revenue falling behind afl more than ever and about to become blown out of the water
- tv devaluing the game to the point where there’s virtually zero cash growth for the first time ever

yeh games going ‘gangbusters’ under Vlandys

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Thanks

so the clubs are arguing vlandys stick to a dud deal john grant did to bribe them not to sack him (which they did anyway a year later)

imo 5 million over the cap is way too much money. Clubs have little incentive to grow memberships or crowds as they have a huge chunk of their revenue from the grant and with a salary cap in place they can’t spend more on players

thus just rewards laziness

Clubs like Wests, Manly, Cronulla and St George should be made to take their games to modern stadia so they can provide better corporate hospitality to their business partners.

 

[reanimate]

" Crowds were back for the Melbourne Cup but the VRC made a big $17m loss in 2022, and has borrowed more money from the ANZ its financial accounts reveal."

"Its accounts, lodged in recent days, reveal a business model that’s still wholly reliant on four days of racing over the calendar year, with losses and liabilities prompting the board to scramble for more funds to address a burgeoning financial hazard."

" These losses rose to $16.96m from the $14.94m reported by the VRC after the misery of 2021. Its liabilities currently exceed its asset base by $26m, up from $20.1m last year. Revenue increased to $172.2m – up 23 per cent – but so did expenses, climbing 26 per cent to reach $174.3m.'

And from known V`landy`s hater Andrew Webster :

" Let us give praise and thanks to The Great V’landys for the present strength of Sydney racing.

The first day of The Championships at Royal Randwick featured so many quality horses, you didn’t know where to look. The second day, headlined by the $4 million Queen Elizabeth Stakes on Saturday, featuring equine rockstars like Verry Elleegant, Zaaki and Anamoe, will be equally eye-popping.

" The course was heaving with people who wouldn’t normally frequent the track."

" V’landys created The Everest (worth $15m), Golden Eagle ($8m) and other races. This November, he’ll be holding The Big Dance ($2m) on the same afternoon as the Melbourne Cup.

" Racing purists down south scoff at these so-called “pop-up races” but the sheer scale of prizemoney is attracting quality fields and therefore more punters and therefore more revenue for NSW racing.

“The punter is staying with us for 12 months, instead of leaving us every spring and going to Melbourne, so our revenues have gone up 50 to 60 per cent,” V’landys says. “Which basically means we can put it into prizemoney. The more prizemoney you have, the better fields you have.”

And meanwhile NSW Racing sits on $170m worth of assets. This is the V`landy`s modus operandi.

V’landys has been correctly squeezing the betting companies for the good of NSW Racing (more so the online corporate bookies than Tabcorp) for years. The race fields fees, point of consumption taxes and other product fees have seen money flow back into NSW Racing and left it with a strong base to start chasing more revenue through other avenues- e.g. ticket sales to event days.

I thought V’landys would have taken a similar approach with the NRL, squeeze the competition’s main source of funds for as much as possible, ie Foxtel and the FTA channels, then build a strong base and start chasing additional revenue through other means. Instead, he signed a shit tv deal because he was apparently worried about the viability of the broadcasters. He’s never shown any worry about, for example, Sportsbet and their parent company, despite having them hit with new/revised fees every few years. He knows that they can pay it, just like he knows Foxtel is backed by one of the biggest media empires in the world and could also afford to pay more.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

like I said if you’re happy with mediocre results for $3billion expense then yeh he has made good points! As a mediocre person I’d fully expect you to be happy with it.

The Sydney vs Non-Sydney attendances comparison I put up shows just how dire the sitaluation is in Sydney. The fact that 7 Non-Sydney Clubs drew a larger cumulative attendance despite hosting 13 fewer games than the Sydney clubs is a sad indictment on Sydney's inability to support its clubs. There's no strength in having nine small Sydney clubs that draw such terrible attendances. If there was a Super League War by a cashed up financier who is looking to build a competition around teams that have the potential to grow then only a few Sydney clubs would make the cut. Our game will continue to be mediocre until it cuts the dead weight in Sydney.

 

[Perth Red]

The Sydney vs Non-Sydney attendances comparison I put up shows just how dire the sitaluation is in Sydney. The fact that 7 Non-Sydney Clubs drew a larger cumulative attendance despite hosting 13 fewer games than the Sydney clubs is a sad indictment on Sydney's inability to support its clubs. There's no strength in having nine small Sydney clubs that draw such terrible attendances. If there was a Super League War by a cashed up financier who is looking to build a competition around teams that have the potential to grow then only a few Sydney clubs would make the cut. Our game will continue to be mediocre until it cuts the dead weight in Sydney.

I’d love to know why sydney clubs aren’t as popular as they could be and if there is anything the nrl and clubs could do to address that. When you look at main sports in any major city Sydney clubs fall way down the table for revenue, supporters and facilities. Nrl on sydney avg game attendance comes in about 42nd from memory on attendances for main sport In a major city.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

V’landys has been correctly squeezing the betting companies for the good of NSW Racing (more so the online corporate bookies than Tabcorp) for years. The race fields fees, point of consumption taxes and other product fees have seen money flow back into NSW Racing and left it with a strong base to start chasing more revenue through other avenues- e.g. ticket sales to event days.

I thought V’landys would have taken a similar approach with the NRL, squeeze the competition’s main source of funds for as much as possible, ie Foxtel and the FTA channels, then build a strong base and start chasing additional revenue through other means. Instead, he signed a shit tv deal because he was apparently worried about the viability of the broadcasters. He’s never shown any worry about, for example, Sportsbet and their parent company, despite having them hit with new/revised fees every few years. He knows that they can pay it, just like he knows Foxtel is backed by one of the biggest media empires in the world and could also afford to pay more.

Do you think he's corrupt?

 

[Iamback]

He even provided the link to the tables he was using
He's like the villain in the 60's Batman tv series. Batman always said the criminal psych wants to be caught, so they lay their own subconscious trap for themselves to be found out

If he wasn't so dumb, I'd think he did it on purpose

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I’d love to know why sydney clubs aren’t as popular as they could be and if there is anything the nrl and clubs could do to address that. When you look at main sports in any major city Sydney clubs fall way down the table for revenue, supporters and facilities. Nrl on sydney avg game attendance comes in about 42nd from memory on attendances for main sport In a major city.

We get all sorts of excuses on here from NSWRL apologists, but none of them add up. Then there's the deluded folk like @marshall stalin who think the Sydney clubs draw better attendances than everyone else. I don't know the answer to your query, but it's obvious that there's just not enough rugby league fans in Sydney to support nine clubs. The fact that nine of the sixteen clubs that have competed in the NRL since 2007 are from Sydney is the reason the game struggles.

Can you imagine how much more advanced our game would be if three of the nine Sydney clubs relocated to Adelaide, Perth and Brisbane in 1998?

Let's say Tigers relocated to Brisbane and were taken over by the Easts Tigers to become the Brisbane Tigers. Sharks relocated to Perth to become the West Coast Sharks. St George relocated to Adelaide to become the Adelaide Dragons. We would probably be drawing an average attendance of 18k to 20k and our broadcast rights deals would be much closer to AwFuL's.

The sad thing is if we continue to let nine Sydney clubs control the ARLC then we'll be stuck with an average attendance of 15k and the broadcasters will chase after AwFuL and throw us the crumbs.

I don't share @The_Wookie's excitement. I fear that the last negotiation is a sign of the future landscape where AwFuL is the only tier 1 sport and we join cricket as a tier 2, followed by everyone else in a third tier.

 

[The_Wookie]

2022 Attendances: Sydney vs Non-Sydney Clubs

Sydney Ground	Games	Accumulative Attendance	Average Attendance
Belmore	1	16,991	16,991
Brookvale	10	130,968	13,097
Campbelltown	3	27,034	9,011
Kogarah	5	42,105	8,421
Leichhardt	3	38,379	12,793
Penrith Football Stadium	11	199,807	18,164
S.C.G.	9	141,182	15,686
S.F.S.	1	41,906	41,906
Stadium Australia	14	210,344	15,024
Parramatta Stadium	19	322,223	16,959
SYDNEY TOTAL GAMES	86	1,275,958	14,836

Non-Sydney Team	Games	Accumulative Attendance	Average Attendance
Brisbane Broncos	12	355,128	29,594
North Queensland Cowboys	12	206,521	17,210
Gold Coast Titans	11	140,616	12,783
Canberra Raiders	11	143,308	13,028
Melbourne Storm	11	174,139	15,831
New Zealand Warriors	4	81,128	20,282
Newcastle Knights	12	202,683	16,890
Non-Sydney Total	73	1,305,523	17,883

Rugby League Tables / Attendances 2022

Rugby League Tables - NRL Stats & Tables

afltables.com

For Sydney and Queensland NRL clubs in Brisbane, Townsville and Sydney. Excludes any matches played outside Townsville, and the Brisbane/Sydney metro areas. Does not include Magic Round.

Club	Venue	City	Total	Games	Ave
Melbourne	Suncorp Stadium	Brisbane	46,454	1	46,454
Wests Tigers	Suncorp Stadium	Brisbane	43,401	1	43,401
Sydney	Allianz Stadium	Sydney	41,906	1	41,906
Gold Coast	Suncorp Stadium	Brisbane	41,593	1	41,593
Manly	Suncorp Stadium	Brisbane	40,267	10	40,267
Sydney	Suncorp Stadium	Brisbane	40,135	1	40,135
St George	SCG	Sydney	35,273	1	35,273
New Zealand	Suncorp Stadium	Brisbane	30,503	1	30,503
Cronulla	Suncorp Stadium	Brisbane	30,453	1	30,453
Canterbury	Suncorp Stadium	Brisbane	30,220	1	30,220
Brisbane	Suncorp Stadium	Brisbane	355,128	12	29,541
Parramatta	Commbank Stadium	Sydney	230,168	11	20,924
Penrith	Bluebet	Sydney	199,807	11	18,164
New Zealand	Mt Smart	Auckland	89,225	5	17,851
South Sydney	Central Coast	Gosford	17,284	1	17,284
North Queensland	QCB Stadium	Townsville	206,521	12	17,210
Canterbury	Belmore	Sydney	16,991	1	16,991
Newcastle	McDonald Jones	Newcastle	202,683	12	16,890
Sydney	Sydney (Various)	Sydney	147,815	9	16,424
Melbourne	Aami Park	Melbourne	174,139	11	15,831
Sydney	Central Coast	Gosford	15,721	1	15,721
Canterbury	Accor Stadium	Sydney	75,955	5	15,191
South Sydney	Accor Stadium	Sydney	134,389	9	14,932
Canterbury	Sydney (Various)	Sydney	139,472	10	13,947
Sydney	SCG	Sydney	105,909	8	13,239
Manly	4 Pines Park	Sydney	130,968	10	13,097
Canberra	GIO Stadium	Canberra	143,358	11	13,033
St George	Sydney (Various)	Sydney	77,378	6	12,896
Wests Tigers	Leichardt Oval	Sydney	38,379	3	12,793
Gold Coast	Cbus Super Stadium	Gold Coast	140,616	11	12,783
Canterbury	Commbank Stadium	Sydney	46,526	4	11,632
Wests Tigers	Commbank Stadium	Sydney	45,259	4	11,382
St George	WIN Stadium	Wollongong	68,019	6	11,337
South Sydney	Apex Oval	Dubbo	11,124	1	11,124
Wests Tigers	Sydney (Various)	Sydney	110,672	10	11,067
Cronulla	Pointsbet Stadium	Sydney	105,019	10	10,502
Wests Tigers	Scully Park	Tamworth	10,048	1	10,048
Parramatta	TIO Stadium	Darwin	10,017	1	10,017
Cronulla	Coffs International	Coffs Harbour	9,058	1	9,058
Wests Tigers	Campbelltown	Sydney	27,034	3	9,011
South Sydney	Sunshine Coast	Sunshine Coast	8,911	1	8,911
Canterbury	Salter Oval	Bunderberg	8,521	1	8,521
St George	Jubilee Stadium	Sydney	42,105	5	8,421
Canberra	McDonalds Park	Wagga	8,133	1	8,133
Manly	Glen Willow	Mudgee	6,972	1	6,972
New Zealand	Moreton Daily	Brisbane	30,025	5	6,005
Sydney	BB Print Stadium	Mckay	5,527	1	5,527
New Zealand	Sunshine Coast	Sunshine Coast	5,382	1	5,382

 

[bad boy bubby]

If he wasn't so dumb, I'd think he did it on purpose

I've just taken it as a classic case of Grandiose Delusional.
"People with this type of delusional disorder have an overinflated sense of self-worth, power, knowledge or identity. They may believe they have a great talent or have made an important discovery."

It also makes sense with the alt he had to make up.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

For Sydney and Queensland NRL clubs in Brisbane, Townsville and Sydney. Excludes any matches played outside Townsville, and the Brisbane/Sydney metro areas. Does not include Magic Round.

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Club	Venue	City	Total	Games	Ave
Melbourne	Suncorp Stadium	Brisbane	46,454	1	46,454
Wests Tigers	Suncorp Stadium	Brisbane	43,401	1	43,401
Sydney	Allianz Stadium	Sydney	41,906	1	41,906
Gold Coast	Suncorp Stadium	Brisbane	41,593	1	41,593
Manly	Suncorp Stadium	Brisbane	40,267	10	40,267
Sydney	Suncorp Stadium	Brisbane	40,135	1	40,135
St George	SCG	Sydney	35,273	1	35,273
New Zealand	Suncorp Stadium	Brisbane	30,503	1	30,503
Cronulla	Suncorp Stadium	Brisbane	30,453	1	30,453
Canterbury	Suncorp Stadium	Brisbane	30,220	1	30,220
Brisbane	Suncorp Stadium	Brisbane	355,128	12	29,541
Parramatta	Commbank Stadium	Sydney	230,168	11	20,924
Penrith	Bluebet	Sydney	199,807	11	18,164
New Zealand	Mt Smart	Auckland	89,225	5	17,851
South Sydney	Central Coast	Gosford	17,284	1	17,284
North Queensland	QCB Stadium	Townsville	206,521	12	17,210
Canterbury	Belmore	Sydney	16,991	1	16,991
Newcastle	McDonald Jones	Newcastle	202,683	12	16,890
Sydney	Sydney (Various)	Sydney	147,815	9	16,424
Melbourne	Aami Park	Melbourne	174,139	11	15,831
Sydney	Central Coast	Gosford	15,721	1	15,721
Canterbury	Accor Stadium	Sydney	75,955	5	15,191
South Sydney	Accor Stadium	Sydney	134,389	9	14,932
Canterbury	Sydney (Various)	Sydney	139,472	10	13,947
Sydney	SCG	Sydney	105,909	8	13,239
Manly	4 Pines Park	Sydney	130,968	10	13,097
Canberra	GIO Stadium	Canberra	143,358	11	13,033
St George	Sydney (Various)	Sydney	77,378	6	12,896
Wests Tigers	Leichardt Oval	Sydney	38,379	3	12,793
Gold Coast	Cbus Super Stadium	Gold Coast	140,616	11	12,783
Canterbury	Commbank Stadium	Sydney	46,526	4	11,632
Wests Tigers	Commbank Stadium	Sydney	45,259	4	11,382
St George	WIN Stadium	Wollongong	68,019	6	11,337
South Sydney	Apex Oval	Dubbo	11,124	1	11,124
Wests Tigers	Sydney (Various)	Sydney	110,672	10	11,067
Cronulla	Pointsbet Stadium	Sydney	105,019	10	10,502
Wests Tigers	Scully Park	Tamworth	10,048	1	10,048
Parramatta	TIO Stadium	Darwin	10,017	1	10,017
Cronulla	Coffs International	Coffs Harbour	9,058	1	9,058
Wests Tigers	Campbelltown	Sydney	27,034	3	9,011
South Sydney	Sunshine Coast	Sunshine Coast	8,911	1	8,911
Canterbury	Salter Oval	Bunderberg	8,521	1	8,521
St George	Jubilee Stadium	Sydney	42,105	5	8,421
Canberra	McDonalds Park	Wagga	8,133	1	8,133
Manly	Glen Willow	Mudgee	6,972	1	6,972
New Zealand	Moreton Daily	Brisbane	30,025	5	6,005
Sydney	BB Print Stadium	Mckay	5,527	1	5,527
New Zealand	Sunshine Coast	Sunshine Coast	5,382	1	5,382

Is there a point to this?

If there is then I cannot see it.

At the start you said:

"For Sydney and Queensland NRL clubs in Brisbane, Townsville and Sydney. Excludes any matches played outside Townsville, and the Brisbane/Sydney metro areas. Does not include Magic Round."​

Yet you included games played in Auckland, Gold Coast, Bundaberg, Sunshine Coast, Mackay, Coffs Harbour, Wagga, Mudgee, Dubbo, Wollongong, Darwin, Tamworth, Canberra, Melbourne, Newcastle and Central Coast.

Why did you listed Sydney twice?

You also included "home" games played at Lang Park during Magic Round, despite claiming you omitted these fixtures.

Did you mean that the graph omitted "home" games played outside of metropolitan Brisbane, Sydney and Townsville, with the list covering all games played outside of these areas?

 

[The_Wookie]

Is there a point to this?

yes the point was to show that using crowds from matches played uin the home teams city, and not including games sold to venues in rural areas and magic rounds, when using this data the home crowds arent as bad as you make them out to be. Its not that black and white.

If there is then I cannot see it.

At the start you said:

"For Sydney and Queensland NRL clubs in Brisbane, Townsville and Sydney. Excludes any matches played outside Townsville, and the Brisbane/Sydney metro areas. Does not include Magic Round."​

The graph covers Sydney clubs playing in Sydney venues only, Brisbane playing in Brisbane and Nth Qld playing in Townsville. it does not include games

Yet you included games played in Auckland, Gold Coast, Bundaberg, Sunshine Coast, Mackay, Coffs Harbour, Wagga, Mudgee, Dubbo, Wollongong, Darwin, Tamworth, Canberra, Melbourne, Newcastle and Central Coast.

Why did you listed Sydney twice?

I listed them three times for the three different venues they played at, and an additional time for the overall average for games only played in Sydney.

You also included "home" games played at Lang Park during Magic Round, despite claiming you omitted these fixtures.

Did you mean that the graph omitted "home" games played outside of metropolitan Brisbane, Sydney and Townsville, with the list covering all games played outside of these areas?

The list covers all games in all areas with the average for each individual club at each individual venue, which includes the given crowds for each home game at Suncorp in Magic Round.

 

[Perth Red]

yes the point was to show that using crowds from matches played uin the home teams city, and not including games sold to venues in rural areas and magic rounds, when using this data the home crowds arent as bad as you make them out to be. Its not that black and white.

well it still does, it shows only 2 of 9 Sydney clubs drawing reasonable crowds (3 depending on which roosters one is correct). The rest are below avg

 

[The_Wookie]

We get all sorts of excuses on here from NSWRL apologists, but none of them add up. Then there's the deluded folk like @marshall stalin who think the Sydney clubs draw better attendances than everyone else. I don't know the answer to your query, but it's obvious that there's just not enough rugby league fans in Sydney to support nine clubs. The fact that nine of the sixteen clubs that have competed in the NRL since 2007 are from Sydney is the reason the game struggles.

Its only struggling if you compare it to the AFL - the 4th best attended competition for average crowds on the planet. I find this argument in particular to be as dumb as those clowns who want to get rid of Melbourne AFL clubs.

Can you imagine how much more advanced our game would be if three of the nine Sydney clubs relocated to Adelaide, Perth and Brisbane in 1998?

Or.if theyd just left the Rams and Reds in place. Its not like rationalisation didnt take place after superleague.

Let's say Tigers relocated to Brisbane and were taken over by the Easts Tigers to become the Brisbane Tigers. Sharks relocated to Perth to become the West Coast Sharks. St George relocated to Adelaide to become the Adelaide Dragons. We would probably be drawing an average attendance of 18k to 20k and our broadcast rights deals would be much closer to AwFuL's.

Maybe. Theres still presky details like game length and advertising that would have to be overcome.

The sad thing is if we continue to let nine Sydney clubs control the ARLC then we'll be stuck with an average attendance of 15k and the broadcasters will chase after AwFuL and throw us the crumbs.

Youve had more than 15k in the past, you'll get there again -probably next year with Panthers going well, Parra going well (and at Commbank Stadium), Roosters playing out of the shiny new Allianz, Dolphins out of Suncorp creating a new derby setup.....

I don't share @The_Wookie's excitement. I fear that the last negotiation is a sign of the future landscape where AwFuL is the only tier 1 sport and we join cricket as a tier 2, followed by everyone else in a third tier.

Im not even excited, Im just saying that there are a lot of positive things, and im shocked that people who claim passion for the game spend large amounts of free time obsessing over what the AFl is doing, and then castigating Vlandys for being the same way.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

yes the point was to show that using crowds from matches played uin the home teams city, and not including games sold to venues in rural areas and magic rounds, when using this data the home crowds arent as bad as you make them out to be. Its not that black and white.

The reason I didn't include games played at rural venues is because they have limited capacity.

The reason I didn't include games played during Magic Round is because the figures are inflated by it being an "event" that draws fans who otherwise wouldn't be there for that game.

The graph covers Sydney clubs playing in Sydney venues only, Brisbane playing in Brisbane and Nth Qld playing in Townsville. it does not include games

Okay.

I listed them three times for the three different venues they played at, and an additional time for the overall average for games only played in Sydney.

Okay.

The list covers all games in all areas with the average for each individual club at each individual venue, which includes the given crowds for each home game at Suncorp in Magic Round.

Did you only include games where a team was designated as the "home" team?

I think you should put separate the games on the list by an Magic Round, rural venues and SFS, as it's hard to see your point at first glance.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Its only struggling if you compare it to the AFL - the 4th best attended competition for average crowds on the planet. I find this argument in particular to be as dumb as those clowns who want to get rid of Melbourne AFL clubs.

No matter which metric you use, the bleeding obvious point is there's clubs in Sydney that will always be more of a liability than an actual asset because they represent small regions with too few people to ever have a large fanbase. By having these teams chewing up precious licences it's left us with Brisbane having just two teams, New Zealand with just one and Adelaide and Perth with none.

You might say "add more teams", but there's not enough half-backs, five-eights, dummy halves and fullbacks to fill 16 rosters. We don't have enough quality spine players to cover more than a few teams. Our development system does nothing to develop quality half-backs and five-eights who can organise a team and get the ball where it needs to go. A team with poor quality spine players is a bore to watch and will finish down the bottom of the ladder. Queensland dominated Origin for eight years because it a litany of world class spine players while NSW had none. That's how important these four positions are to a football team's success.

We would need to expand to 22 or 24 teams to cover everywhere without rationalising Sydney. We don't have the talent pool or money to support a competition of this size. So rationalisation is a necessity for the game to grow. Good luck having 16 or more clubs averaging 20k when the talent pool is so dire it puts people off from wanting to watch also-rans run around like headless chooks.

Or.if theyd just left the Rams and Reds in place. Its not like rationalisation didnt take place after superleague.

Rams and Reds were cut to appease NSWRL clubs and fans. The Bradley Report said the competition needed to be rationalised to 14 teams with Sydney having no more than five. The NSWRL clubs refused to play ball, so News Ltd and the ARL went about eliminating Non-Sydney teams to get the number down to 14 by 2000.

Maybe. Theres still presky details like game length and advertising that would have to be overcome.

I said it would get closer. Not equal. These things only matter to FTA.

Youve had more than 15k in the past, you'll get there again -probably next year with Panthers going well, Parra going well (and at Commbank Stadium), Roosters playing out of the shiny new Allianz, Dolphins out of Suncorp creating a new derby setup.....

Dolphins will be playing at least two games at a boutique stadium with a capacity od just 11.5k. The Women's soccer world cup will force clubs out or their traditional venues for significant periods of the season.

Im not even excited, Im just saying that there are a lot of positive things, and im shocked that people who claim passion for the game spend large amounts of free time obsessing over what the AFl is doing, and then castigating Vlandys for being the same way.

You obviously don't understand the game and its history all that well. It's foolish to expect Queenslanders to care for privileged Sydney clubs who used gaming machine revenue to rape and pillage the BRL into extinction for 30 years and then f**ked over the Broncos, Cowboys, Crushers and Chargers. They also screwed over the Reds. Brisbane has been limited to just one team by a Sydney-centric ARL that always put the interests of Sydney's clubs ahead of everyone else. The NSWRL went out of its way to weaken the Queensland Cup about 12 years ago and the ARLC under V'landys is now trying to destroy it altogether to bring back three grades that no one will watch. This will lead to clubs that have existed since 1908 becoming irrelevant or possibly folding.

The anger towards traditional NSWRL clubs is justified and will not go away just because you think it is "dumb".

RL in Perth as been f**ked over by the NSWRL too, hence the reason @Perth Red is rightfully upset with the game. The people who childishly attack @Perth Red and braindead NSWRL fans whoa want a return to the NSWRFL Premiership. They don't give a f**k about the game outside of Sydney and think Queensland, New South Wales and New Zealand exist solely to prop up the nine shit teams from Sydney. If you wish to throw your lot in with these hillbillies from Sydney then be my guest, but don't come whinging to me when they want the Storm to be kicked out, which a lot of them do.

What's the point in hating AFL like these blokes do?

It doesn't make RL stronger.

 

[MugaB]

No matter which metric you use, the bleeding obvious point is there's clubs in Sydney that will always be more of a liability than an actual asset because they represent small regions with too few people to ever have a large fanbase. By having these teams chewing up precious licences it's left us with Brisbane having just two teams, New Zealand with just one and Adelaide and Perth with none.

You might say "add more teams", but there's not enough half-backs, five-eights, dummy halves and fullbacks to fill 16 rosters. We don't have enough quality spine players to cover more than a few teams. Our development system does nothing to develop quality half-backs and five-eights who can organise a team and get the ball where it needs to go. A team with poor quality spine players is a bore to watch and will finish down the bottom of the ladder. Queensland dominated Origin for eight years because it a litany of world class spine players while NSW had none. That's how important these four positions are to a football team's success.

We would need to expand to 22 or 24 teams to cover everywhere without rationalising Sydney. We don't have the talent pool or money to support a competition of this size. So rationalisation is a necessity for the game to grow. Good luck having 16 or more clubs averaging 20k when the talent pool is so dire it puts people off from wanting to watch also-rans run around like headless chooks.



Rams and Reds were cut to appease NSWRL clubs and fans. The Bradley Report said the competition needed to be rationalised to 14 teams with Sydney having no more than five. The NSWRL clubs refused to play ball, so News Ltd and the ARL went about eliminating Non-Sydney teams to get the number down to 14 by 2000.



I said it would get closer. Not equal. These things only matter to FTA.



Dolphins will be playing at least two games at a boutique stadium with a capacity od just 11.5k. The Women's soccer world cup will force clubs out or their traditional venues for significant periods of the season.


You obviously don't understand the game and its history all that well. It's foolish to expect Queenslanders to care for privileged Sydney clubs who used gaming machine revenue to rape and pillage the BRL into extinction for 30 years and then f**ked over the Broncos, Cowboys, Crushers and Chargers. They also screwed over the Reds. Brisbane has been limited to just one team by a Sydney-centric ARL that always put the interests of Sydney's clubs ahead of everyone else. The NSWRL went out of its way to weaken the Queensland Cup about 12 years ago and the ARLC under V'landys is now trying to destroy it altogether to bring back three grades that no one will watch. This will lead to clubs that have existed since 1908 becoming irrelevant or possibly folding.

The anger towards traditional NSWRL clubs is justified and will not go away just because you think it is "dumb".

RL in Perth as been f**ked over by the NSWRL too, hence the reason @Perth Red is rightfully upset with the game. The people who childishly attack @Perth Red and braindead NSWRL fans whoa want a return to the NSWRFL Premiership. They don't give a f**k about the game outside of Sydney and think Queensland, New South Wales and New Zealand exist solely to prop up the nine shit teams from Sydney. If you wish to throw your lot in with these hillbillies from Sydney then be my guest, but don't come whinging to me when they want the Storm to be kicked out, which a lot of them do.

What's the point in hating AFL like these blokes do?

It doesn't make RL stronger.

Rinse, repeat, add logan add singapore etc

...got it!

 

[Phil McGrawhan]

like I said if you’re happy with mediocre results for $3billion expense then yeh he has made good points! As you’re a mediocre person I’d fully expect you to be happy with it.
here’s some facts for you
- crowds lower than 10 years ago
- membership growth slowed to a trickle, that we know of as it’s now not even bothered being counted officially
- revenue falling behind afl more than ever and about to become blown out of the water
- tv devaluing the game to the point where there’s virtually zero cash growth for the first time ever

yeh games going ‘gangbusters’ under Vlandys

Lol your beating the same drum that Wookie tore apart with facts
but as usual you just blindly plough along with your one man cheer squad jerking off in time with you .