Peter V'landys - New NRL/ARLC Chairman

Wb1234 · Dec 1, 2022

docbrown said:
As long as 3 to 4 games are still on FTA it won’t be a problem.

Dunno foxtel is averaging 600k ish a game and growing which is similar to fta

do we want to go to a minor pay network and then wait a few years for everyone to switch over

I hate news ltd but foxtels coverage of nrl is spot on

nines is cringeworthy imo

The_Wookie · Dec 1, 2022

Perth Red said:
View attachment 68500

https://www.nrl.com/siteassets/about/annual-reports/2021-nrl-annual-report.pdf

Thats a nice table but not the most important, those are at the back in the concise reporting. Eg.

Perth Red said:
You're literally confirming what I'm saying, that grassroots funding had a big hole in it last year! Now hopefully its been put back this year and that the NRl reverts back to its strategy post 2017 to increase funding in this area. Fingers crossed!

docbrown · Dec 1, 2022

Wb1234 said:
Dunno foxtel is averaging 600k ish a game and growing which is similar to fta

do we want to go to a minor pay network and then wait a few years for everyone to switch over

I hate news ltd but foxtels coverage of nrl is spot on

nines is cringeworthy imo

The goal is to maximise broadcast rights revenue without sacrificing accessibility. As long as there are 3 to 4 games on 10 and 10/Paramount outbids their rivals, then there’s really no issue.

I also don’t think you’d see people wait years to switch. People are now used to switching often between streamers. You’d see Kayo and Foxtel subscribers plummet pretty quickly after the change over.

Get Rid of The Donkeys · Dec 1, 2022

mongoose said:
well thats 2021... what about other years gone by?... you understand those amounts change every year right

I added the 2020 sponsorship revenue for the clubs. I'll have to go find the 2019 Annual Reports to find what these clubs made for 2019 and 2018. That'll take some time.

docbrown · Dec 1, 2022

Wb1234 said:
Dunno foxtel is averaging 600k ish a game and growing which is similar to fta

do we want to go to a minor pay network and then wait a few years for everyone to switch over

I hate news ltd but foxtels coverage of nrl is spot on

nines is cringeworthy imo

I posted this in the media forum but basically this is what the NRL should be aiming to pitch to 10/Paramount if they want a record broadcast deal.

Thursday Night Football --
Paramount+ ad-free exclusive game
6:30 pregame -- 7:10 kickoff -- 8:50 post game and panel show -- 10:00 end -- 3.5 hr block

Friday Night Double Header --
Channel 10 two games also simulcast ad-free Paramount+
6:30 pregame -- 6:40 kickoff one -- 8:20 kickoff two -- 10:00 post games -- 11:00 end -- 4.5 hr block
(Friday teams: at least 1 QLD team, 1 Mel/Perth team and 2 NSW teams most weeks (can vary) -- 2-3 metro target)
(10 Bold channel flip in non-targeted states like SA, TAS)

Saturday Football --
Paramount+ ad-free three exclusive games
12:30 & 2:00 NRLW kickoffs -- 3:40 pregame -- 4:00, 6:00 & 8:00 NRL mens kickoffs -- 9:40 post game -- 11:00 end -- 10.5 hr block

Sunday Afternoon Football --
Channel 10 one game also simulcast ad-free on Paramount+
1:00 pregame -- 1:20 NRLW kickoff -- 2:50 pregame -- 3:15 NRL mens kickoff -- 4:55 post game -- 5:00 break into News -- 4 hr block

Sunday Night Football --
Channel 10 exclusive game -- no Paramount+ coverage -- top game of the week
5:30 pregame -- 5:45 kickoff -- 7:25pm post game -- 7:30 break into Sunday night programming -- 2 hr block
(so including afternoons 6hr total on Sundays)
(Sunday arvo/night teams: at least 1 QLD team, 1 Mel/Perth team and 2 NSW teams most weeks (can vary) -- 2-3 metro target)
(10 Bold channel flip in non-targeted states like SA, TAS)

Monday Night Football --
Paramount+ ad-free exclusive game
6:30 pregame -- 7:10 kickoff -- 8:50 post game and panel show -- 10:00 end -- 3.5 hr block

Also before anyone gets nit picky about times, its just an example of how to balance FTA and subscription coverage.

Perth Red · Dec 1, 2022

The_Wookie said:
Thats a nice table but not the most important, those are at the back in the concise reporting. Eg.

View attachment 68514

Why? that’s consolidtaed which includes states. The first table is the accurate one of what the nrl spends on grassroots.

Get Rid of The Donkeys · Dec 1, 2022

The_Wookie said:
Ill respond to whatever i damn well like.

You're very selective and intent on bailing out Phil.

The_Wookie said:
For the last time, distributions from the league are not a handout. They are a guarantee as part of the license. The NRL cannot withhold them.

I'm judging clubs by their ability to generate revenue on their own from the value of their brand. To do that you need to look at how many people purchase memberships, tickets, merchandise and sponsorship packages.

You're arguing something altogether different by including gaming machine revenue and the annual grant from the ARLC, which is dumb as it doesn't give us any indication of how much money these clubs make on their own from football operations. I believe you're just being a troll and arguing for the sake of it, just like when you were caught out lying about my posts the other day.

The_Wookie said:
Gaming machine revenue is perfectly legal.

For now. Up until the 1990s it was illegal in Queensland. Up until 1956 it was illegal in NSW. It's still illegal in WA. There's a political campaign to phase pokies out altogether.

The_Wookie said:
No its not.

It impacts how much can be spent on the RLPA and tiers below NRL., so yes, it is debatable. You'll get the RLPA, QRL and NSWRL wanting more than they currently get and to give them what they want then the annual grant to the clubs will.need to be reduced.

The_Wookie said:
No it doesnt. The distribution covers the salary cap, and the CBA covers the rest.

The clubs want $5m on top of the salary cap for themselves. The $5m that will be given straight to the each club would be better in the hands of the players.

The_Wookie said:
Club viability isnt just determined by football revenues alone. Its a smart club that diversifies interests. The Big AFL clubs have done it, the NRL clubs have leagues clubs and private owners.

In the end it doesnt matter where the revenue comes from, the club remains viable as long as it can service its debts and be relatively profitable.

Gaming machine revenue is dropping because young people aren't as interested in playing the pokies. There's no guarantee punting will even be legal in 10 or 15 years. We all know what happened to the NSWRL/QRL sponsorship deal with Winfield after tobacco companies were prohibited from advertising in the mid 1990s.

The_Wookie said:
And beaten by Souths, Parra and the Roosters. This is not exactly favouring your argument. Particularly it can vary from year to year depending on form and fixturing.

Isn't that going by all matches on Ch9 and Foxtel?

Not really an apples vs apples comparison when some clubs get more FTA than others, is it?

The_Wookie said:
its also the industry standard, and pretty much all there is. So you feel free to make up your own conclusions on...what..feelings?

How about something that's absolute, like revenue from football operations?

The_Wookie · Dec 1, 2022

Perth Red said:
Why? that’s consolidtaed which includes states. The first table is the accurate one of what the nrl spends on grassroots.

Because this is the ARLC report for one

Get Rid of The Donkeys · Dec 1, 2022

Wb1234 said:
Which ?

if it’s union vlandys stopped it being shown in pubs I think lmao

good old Pete

he thinks strategically

Yeah...

Like giving the broadcast rights to Foxtel and Ch9 for peanuts so they can bid big on AwFuL.

The_Wookie · Dec 1, 2022

Get Rid of The Donkeys said:
You're very selective and intent on bailing out Phil.

Your quite selective in the data you are choosing to make a point.

Get Rid of The Donkeys said:
I'm judging clubs by their ability to generate revenue on their own from the value of their brand. To do that you need to look at how many people purchase memberships, tickets, merchandise and sponsorship packages.

Thats not the only thing that makes them viable though.

Get Rid of The Donkeys said:
You're arguing something altogether different by including gaming machine revenue and the annual grant from the ARLC, which is dumb as it doesn't give us any indication of how much money these clubs make on their own from football operations. I believe you're just being a troll and arguing for the sake of it, just like when you were caught out lying about my posts the other day.

Your arguing clubs arent viable when they financially are and then cherry picking the revenues you think that matter to make an utterly irrelevant point.

I believe youve no idea what your talking about.. for instance like claiming i lied about your posts despite multiple examples of your posts. lol.

Get Rid of The Donkeys said:
For now. Up until the 1990s it was illegal in Queensland. Up until 1956 it was illegal in NSW. It's still illegal in WA. There's a political campaign to phase pokies out altogether.

Get back to me when its not. They arent going anywhere any time soon, and untik they do is a perfectly legal way to make money.

Get Rid of The Donkeys said:
It impacts how much can be spent on the RLPA and tiers below NRL., so yes, it is debatable.

No its not.

Get Rid of The Donkeys said:
You'll get the RLPA, QRL and NSWRL wanting more than they currently get and to give them what they want then the annual grant to the clubs will.need to be reduced.

The grant the clubs gets includes the money the players get in wages sooooo no.

Get Rid of The Donkeys said:
The clubs want $5m on top of the salary cap for themselves. The $5m that will be given straight to the each club would be better in the hands of the players.

Clubs have every right to expect funding. No clubs, no players.

Get Rid of The Donkeys said:
Gaming machine revenue is dropping because young people aren't as interested in playing the pokies.

Is it really dropping because of that, or due to COVID lockdowns and folks not yet fully returned.

Get Rid of The Donkeys said:
There's no guarantee punting will even be legal in 10 or 15 years.

lol ok. anything is possible.

Get Rid of The Donkeys said:
Isn't that going by all matches on Ch9 and Foxtel?

Not really an apples vs apples comparison when some clubs get more FTA than others, is it?

Lol where do you think this f**king data comes from. Where did YOU pull YOUR data from. You started the ratings conversation here.

Get Rid of The Donkeys said:
How about something that's absolute, like revenue from football operations?

How about that has nothing to do with tv ratings.

Canard · Dec 1, 2022

docbrown said:
I posted this in the media forum but basically this is what the NRL should be aiming to pitch to 10/Paramount if they want a record broadcast deal.

Thursday Night Football --
Paramount+ ad-free exclusive game
6:30 pregame -- 7:10 kickoff -- 8:50 post game and panel show -- 10:00 end -- 3.5 hr block

Friday Night Double Header --
Channel 10 two games also simulcast ad-free Paramount+
6:30 pregame -- 6:40 kickoff one -- 8:20 kickoff two -- 10:00 post games -- 11:00 end -- 4.5 hr block
(Friday teams: at least 1 QLD team, 1 Mel/Perth team and 2 NSW teams most weeks (can vary) -- 2-3 metro target)
(10 Bold channel flip in non-targeted states like SA, TAS)

Saturday Football --
Paramount+ ad-free three exclusive games
12:30 & 2:00 NRLW kickoffs -- 3:40 pregame -- 4:00, 6:00 & 8:00 NRL mens kickoffs -- 9:40 post game -- 11:00 end -- 10.5 hr block

Sunday Afternoon Football --
Channel 10 one game also simulcast ad-free on Paramount+
1:00 pregame -- 1:20 NRLW kickoff -- 2:50 pregame -- 3:15 NRL mens kickoff -- 4:55 post game -- 5:00 break into News -- 4 hr block

Sunday Night Football --
Channel 10 exclusive game -- no Paramount+ coverage -- top game of the week
5:30 pregame -- 5:45 kickoff -- 7:25pm post game -- 7:30 break into Sunday night programming -- 2 hr block
(so including afternoons 6hr total on Sundays)
(Sunday arvo/night teams: at least 1 QLD team, 1 Mel/Perth team and 2 NSW teams most weeks (can vary) -- 2-3 metro target)
(10 Bold channel flip in non-targeted states like SA, TAS)

Monday Night Football --
Paramount+ ad-free exclusive game
6:30 pregame -- 7:10 kickoff -- 8:50 post game and panel show -- 10:00 end -- 3.5 hr block

Also before anyone gets nit picky about times, its just an example of how to balance FTA and subscription coverage.

Is it really the NRL job to pitch to TV networks? Shouldn't it be the other way around?

The_Wookie · Dec 1, 2022

Get Rid of The Donkeys said:
I added the 2020 sponsorship revenue for the clubs. I'll have to go find the 2019 Annual Reports to find what these clubs made for 2019 and 2018. That'll take some time.

Will this help

NRL and Club Documents - Sports Industry AU

NRL Annual Reports NRL 2009 State of the Game Report NRL 2010 State of the Game Report NRL 2011 State of the Game Report NRL 2012 Annual Report NRL 2013 Annual Report NRL 2014 Annual Report NRL 2015 Annual Report NRL 2016 Annual Report NRL 2017 Annual Report NRL 2018 Annual Report NRL 2019 Annual...

www.footyindustry.com

NRL Annual Reports

Brisbane

Canberra

The parent organisation is the Queenbeyan District club, which doesnt provide a public report.

Canterbury

The district club is the parent entity of the organisation.

Cronulla

The Leagues Club is the parent entity of the organisation.

Melbourne

Valimanda is the parent company of this organisation

North Queensland

The parent entity of this organisation is the Cowboys Leagues club

Parramatta

Parra Leagues is the parent entity of this organisation.

Penrith

Penrith Rugby League Club (Panthers) is the parent entity of this organisation.

Penrith District Rugby League Club

Sydney

The parent company is the Eastern Suburbs District Rugby League Club Limited

wazdog · Dec 1, 2022

Get Rid of The Donkeys said:
This is one of the most ignorant posts on this board.

The OP said Cowboys and four other non-Sydney clubs wouldn't be in the competition if it came down to sponsorship revenue. This means the OP is dumb enough to think Sydney clubs generate strong revenue from sponsorship.

The 2021 annual reports prove he is full of shit.

Club 2021 2020
Broncos $12,757,777 $10,310,407
Cowboys $8,986,580 $6,451,208
Panthers $7,983,000 $5,773,000
Eels $7,969,912 $5,076,252
Sharks $4,033,757 $2,770,592
Bulldogs $3,653,333 $2,458,333

Adding to it (as they aren't available publicly):

Rabbitohs: $8.9m (2021), $6.0m (2020)

MugaB · Dec 1, 2022

The_Wookie said:
Your quite selective in the data you are choosing to make a point.

Thats not the only thing that makes them viable though.

Your arguing clubs arent viable when they financially are and then cherry picking the revenues you think that matter to make an utterly irrelevant point.

I believe youve no idea what your talking about.. for instance like claiming i lied about your posts despite multiple examples of your posts. lol.

Get back to me when its not. They arent going anywhere any time soon, and untik they do is a perfectly legal way to make money.

No its not.

The grant the clubs gets includes the money the players get in wages sooooo no.

Clubs have every right to expect funding. No clubs, no players.

Is it really dropping because of that, or due to COVID lockdowns and folks not yet fully returned.

lol ok. anything is possible.

Lol where do you think this f**king data comes from. Where did YOU pull YOUR data from. You started the ratings conversation here.

How about that has nothing to do with tv ratings.

Youre getting f**kn owned here grotd... best to stop gibbering

Iamback · Dec 1, 2022

MugaB said:
Youre getting f**kn owned here grotd... best to stop gibbering

Nah It is great reading

Get Rid of The Donkeys · Dec 1, 2022

The_Wookie said:
Your quite selective in the data you are choosing to make a point.

I'm choosing relevant data that shows how valuable each club is to the public and commercial sector. Not all clubs are equal and this data proves it. You ignore it because you don't have an argument and just want to suck up to the knuckle draggers.

The_Wookie said:
Thats not the only thing that makes them viable though.

A club who has strong membership, ticket sales, merchandise sales, sponsorship and corporate hospitality earns more money than one that doesn't when the annual grant from the ARLC is fixed. They can use the extra revenue to develop a competitive edge over their competitors.

Why do you think the NSW gov isn't building nine state of the art stadia for Sydney's clubs?

The_Wookie said:
Your arguing clubs arent viable when they financially are and then cherry picking the revenues you think that matter to make an utterly irrelevant point.

You're ignoring my point because you're a troll and you don't know the difference between "your" and "you're".

See my response above to see the point.

The_Wookie said:
I believe youve no idea what your talking about.. for instance like claiming i lied about your posts despite multiple examples of your posts. lol.

@Maximus exposed you and @Phil McGrawhan for the lies you made about my posts here. He even went to the trouble of quoting my actual posts, all of which proved I never said what you accused me of saying. You've been exposed as a troll and now you're doubling down on it.

The_Wookie said:
Get back to me when its not. They arent going anywhere any time soon, and untik they do is a perfectly legal way to make money.

It's a dying business model. Get that through your skull.

The_Wookie said:
No its not.

Try convincing the RLPA that it's not.

The_Wookie said:
The grant the clubs gets includes the money the players get in wages sooooo no.

Read what I said before going off half cocked.

The annual grant is 130% of the salary cap, meaning the clubs are given about $3m to $4m to spend on football activities. They're now demanding at least $5m be reserved for each club to piss up a wall while the salary cap for the players will be $11.3m. It'll only be a matter of time until the RLPA get sick of being short-changed and demand the $5m that will go to each club be put in their pockets.

The_Wookie said:
Clubs have every right to expect funding. No clubs, no players.

No junior competitions, no players for NRL clubs. You conveniently ignore this fact.

The_Wookie said:
Is it really dropping because of that, or due to COVID lockdowns and folks not yet fully returned.

The trend has been going on for decades.

Falling numbers of pokie gamblers

The modest decline in losses since the mid-2000s has been driven by a falling number of people playing the pokies.

https://theconversation.com/amp/three-charts-on-australias-addiction-to-poker-machines-78353

The_Wookie said:
lol ok. anything is possible.

There's already a strong political backlash against the pokie lobby that's growing stronger.

Gambling | The Australian Greens

<p>(Adopted August 2014) </p> <h2>Principles</h2> <p>The Queensland Greens believe that:</p> <p>1. Problem gambling is a serious public health issue that negatively affects individuals, families and communities.</p> <p>2. Self regulation and voluntary codes of conduct have failed to protect the...

greens.org.au

They're going after the bookies, too.

Shut Down Horse Racing | The Australian Greens

greens.org.au

The_Wookie said:
Lol where do you think this f**king data comes from. Where did YOU pull YOUR data from. You started the ratings conversation here.

Try comparing PTV with PTV.

Get Rid of The Donkeys · Dec 1, 2022

The_Wookie said:
Will this help

NRL and Club Documents - Sports Industry AU

NRL Annual Reports NRL 2009 State of the Game Report NRL 2010 State of the Game Report NRL 2011 State of the Game Report NRL 2012 Annual Report NRL 2013 Annual Report NRL 2014 Annual Report NRL 2015 Annual Report NRL 2016 Annual Report NRL 2017 Annual Report NRL 2018 Annual Report NRL 2019 Annual...

www.footyindustry.com

NRL Annual Reports

NRL 2009 State of the Game Report

NRL 2010 State of the Game Report

NRL 2011 State of the Game Report

NRL 2012 Annual Report

NRL 2013 Annual Report

NRL 2014 Annual Report

NRL 2015 Annual Report

NRL 2016 Annual Report

NRL 2017 Annual Report

NRL 2018 Annual Report

NRL 2019 Annual Report

NRL 2020 Annual Report

2020 NRL Concise Annual Report

NRL 2021 Annual Report

2021 NRL Concise Annual Report

Brisbane

Brisbane 2013 Annual Report

Brisbane 2014 Annual Report

Brisbane 2016 Annual Report

Brisbane 2017 Annual Report

Brisbane 2018 Annual Report

Brisbane 2019 Annual Report

Brisbane 2020 Annual Report

Brisbane 2021 Annual Report

Canberra

The parent organisation is the Queenbeyan District club, which doesnt provide a public report.

2019 Canberra District Rugby League Club Limited Annual Report

2021 Canberra District Rugby League Club Limited Annual Report

Canterbury

The district club is the parent entity of the organisation.

2018 Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs Rugby League Club Limited Annual Report

2021 Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs Rugby League Club Limited Annual Report

Cronulla

The Leagues Club is the parent entity of the organisation.

2013 Cronulla-Sutherland Leagues Club Limited

2014 Cronulla-Sutherland Leagues Club Limited

2016 Cronulla-Sutherland Leagues Club Limited

2017 Cronulla-Sutherland Leagues Club Limited

2018 Cronulla-Sutherland Leagues Club Limited

2019 Cronulla-Sutherland Leagues Club Limited

2020 Cronulla-Sutherland Leagues Club Limited

2021 Cronulla-Sutherland Leagues Club Limited

Melbourne

Valimanda is the parent company of this organisation

2012 Melbourne Storm Rugby League Club Limited

2014 Melbourne Storm Rugby League Club Limited

2019 Melbourne Storm Rugby League Club Limited

2021 Melbourne Storm Rugby League Club Limited

North Queensland

The parent entity of this organisation is the Cowboys Leagues club

2018 Cowboys Leagues Limited Annual Report

2019 Cowboys Leagues Limited Annual Report

2020 Cowboys Leagues Limited Annual Report

2021 Cowboys Leagues Limited Annual Report

Parramatta

Parra Leagues is the parent entity of this organisation.

2017 Parramatta National Rugby League Club Annual Report

2017 Parra Leagues Annual Report

2018 Parra Leagues Annual Report

2019 Parra Leagues Annual Report

2020 Parra Leagues Annual Report

2021 Parra Leagues Annual Report

Penrith

Penrith Rugby League Club (Panthers) is the parent entity of this organisation.

2010 Penrith Rugby League Club Limited

2011 Penrith Rugby League Club Limited

2014 Penrith Rugby League Club Limited

2015 Penrith Rugby League Club Limited

2017 Penrith Rugby League Club Limited

2019 Penrith Rugby League Club Limited

Penrith District Rugby League Club

2010 Penrith District Rugby League Club Limited

2013 Penrith District Rugby League Club Limited

2014 Penrith District Rugby League Club Limited

2019 Penrith District Rugby League Club Limited

Sydney

The parent company is the Eastern Suburbs District Rugby League Club Limited

Eastern Suburbs 2017 Annual Report

Eastern Suburbs 2019 Annual Report

Eastern Subuirbs 2021 Annual Report

Every time I try to access your site I get this:

Get Rid of The Donkeys · Dec 1, 2022

wazdog said:
Adding to it (as they aren't available publicly):

Rabbitohs: $9.6m (2021), $6.0m (2020)

It shows Sydney has about five big clubs that can survive and thrive, especially if the weaker ones go away. I don't have a problem with an NRL that has Roosters, Rabbitohs, Eels, Panthers and the Dragons. The only way these clubs can grow until they're as big as the Broncos is by getting rid of the small clubs that are on their doorstep.

The_Wookie · Dec 1, 2022

Get Rid of The Donkeys said:
I'm choosing relevant data that shows how valuable each club is to the public and commercial sector. Not all clubs are equal and this data proves it. You ignore it because you don't have an argument and just want to suck up to the knuckle draggers.

Im ignoring it because its asinine.

Get Rid of The Donkeys said:
A club who has strong membership, ticket sales, merchandise sales, sponsorship and corporate hospitality earns more money than one that doesn't when the annual grant from the ARLC is fixed. They can use the extra revenue to develop a competitive edge over their competitors.

Sure. it all hbelps. Including the grant they are entitled to.

Get Rid of The Donkeys said:
Why do you think the NSW gov isn't building nine state of the art stadia for Sydney's clubs?

I dont really care. Id prefer they didnt build any to be honest.

Get Rid of The Donkeys said:
You're ignoring my point because you're a troll and you don't know the difference between "your" and "you're".

ah the grammar nazi. Are we at this point already lol

Get Rid of The Donkeys said:
See my response above to see the point.

Which as i also said above. Is stupid and not grounded in any reality. Viability isnt determined by your chosen parameters.

Get Rid of The Donkeys said:
@Maximus exposed you and @Phil McGrawhan for the lies you made about my posts here. He even went to the trouble of quoting my actual posts, all of which proved I never said what you accused me of saying. You've been exposed as a troll and now you're doubling down on it.

No he didnt. And Just because you call someone a troll doesnt make them one. Any more than you calling a club unviable makes them one.

Get Rid of The Donkeys said:
It's a dying business model. Get that through your skull.

Its not really though. See links below.

Get Rid of The Donkeys said:
The annual grant is 130% of the salary cap, meaning the clubs are given about $3m to $4m to spend on football activities. They're now demanding at least $5m be reserved for each club to piss up a wall while the salary cap for the players will be $11.3m. It'll only be a matter of time until the RLPA get sick of being short-changed and demand the $5m that will go to each club be put in their pockets.

The clubs have as much right to money as the players do. Again, no clubs, no players. Players come and go. Clubs persist.

Get Rid of The Donkeys said:
No junior competitions, no players for NRL clubs. You conveniently ignore this fact.

I didnt ignore it. Im not saying they shouldnt be funded. I said the clubs are quite literally entitled to be funded.

Get Rid of The Donkeys said:
The trend has been going on for decades.

Falling numbers of pokie gamblers

The modest decline in losses since the mid-2000s has been driven by a falling number of people playing the pokies.

https://theconversation.com/amp/three-charts-on-australias-addiction-to-poker-machines-78353

Dude update your source material

Get Rid of The Donkeys said:
There's already a strong political backlash against the pokie lobby that's growing stronger.

Gambling | The Australian Greens

<p>(Adopted August 2014) </p> <h2>Principles</h2> <p>The Queensland Greens believe that:</p> <p>1. Problem gambling is a serious public health issue that negatively affects individuals, families and communities.</p> <p>2. Self regulation and voluntary codes of conduct have failed to protect the...

greens.org.au

They're going after the bookies, too.

Shut Down Horse Racing | The Australian Greens

greens.org.au

Lol the Greens? I thought you said strong political backlash.

Get Rid of The Donkeys said:
Try comparing PTV with PTV.

Its still rated by the same damn agency. Where do you think the damn data for PTV comes from????

and no I wont cherry pick that data for you.

The Silverdale Phantom · Dec 1, 2022

Get Rid of The Donkeys said:
It shows Sydney has about five big clubs that can survive and thrive, especially if the weaker ones go away. I don't have a problem with an NRL that has Roosters, Rabbitohs, Eels, Panthers and the Dragons. The only way these clubs can grow until they're as big as the Broncos is by getting rid of the small clubs that are on their doorstep.

You’re kidding.

The interstate teams are generally pretty boring and useless.

Club	2021	2020
Broncos	$12,757,777	$10,310,407
Cowboys	$8,986,580	$6,451,208
Panthers	$7,983,000	$5,773,000
Eels	$7,969,912	$5,076,252
Sharks	$4,033,757	$2,770,592
Bulldogs	$3,653,333	$2,458,333

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