Peter V'landys - New NRL/ARLC Chairman

[colly]

It's really not. Especially given how rich their parent company is


It was proven that this was just a bargaining tool anyway, and we got suckered. They turned around a year later and paid through the nose for Aussie Rules.

It's OK to be critical of our games admin

We will find out soon enough , prob around 22 feb 2024 the new deals just opened are reported for AFL and the NRL I am quietly confident that on a straight TV and Pay TV ( only) deal basis the NRL will come out top!
If so, why such debbie downers.

 

[Wb1234]

Who says he had to accept a lower offer?

He easily could have got a decent offer out of the other states if they were allowed to negotiate on equal terms with NSW. QLD is the only other state that made an actual offer (before PVL's time TBF), and they had to do the equivalent of cold calling the NRL and weren't given the right to respond to NSW's offer. VIC publicly expressed interest in bidding, but were seemingly never given a official avenue to do so.

It's also extremely hard to argue that turning the GF into an event that moves like the Superbowl wouldn't benefit the NRL massively. You're basically reduced to arguing that it's tradition, and that's a terrible argument.

The truth is that the threat of stripping the GF off Sydney was a bluff that the Sydney-centric boomers that control this sport had no intention of following through on, and you should never make threats you aren't willing to follow through on.

Not all wrong but your Sydney centric boomer is focused on expansion in qld and making sure qld
Stay strong in origin

 

[Iamback]

We will find out soon enough , prob around 22 feb 2024 the new deals just opened are reported for AFL and the NRL I am quietly confident that on a straight TV and Pay TV ( only) deal basis the NRL will come out top!
If so, why such debbie downers.

Alot of people seem to be including the Telstra side of it too.

Which is fair on a revenue basis but incorrect when comparing Fox v Fox

 

[Iamback]

Who says he had to accept a lower offer?

He easily could have got a decent offer out of the other states if they were allowed to negotiate on equal terms with NSW. QLD is the only other state that made an actual offer (before PVL's time TBF), and they had to do the equivalent of cold calling the NRL and weren't given the right to respond to NSW's offer. VIC publicly expressed interest in bidding, but were seemingly never given a official avenue to do so.

It's also extremely hard to argue that turning the GF into an event that moves like the Superbowl wouldn't benefit the NRL massively. You're basically reduced to arguing that it's tradition, and that's a terrible argument.

The truth is that the threat of stripping the GF off Sydney was a bluff that the Sydney-centric boomers that control this sport had no intention of following through on, and you should never make threats you aren't willing to follow through on.

We went through this at the time. Capacity, more corporate support and more teams fan bases means NSW will outbid everyone.

Origin you have state worth of fans, GF you only have 2 sides and those fans won't know until the week before who makes it

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

Who says he had to accept a lower offer?

He easily could have got a decent offer out of the other states if they were allowed to negotiate on equal terms with NSW. QLD is the only other state that made an actual offer (before PVL's time TBF), and they had to do the equivalent of cold calling the NRL and weren't given the right to respond to NSW's offer. VIC publicly expressed interest in bidding, but were seemingly never given a official avenue to do so.

It's also extremely hard to argue that turning the GF into an event that moves like the Superbowl wouldn't benefit the NRL massively. You're basically reduced to arguing that it's tradition, and that's a terrible argument.

The truth is that the threat of stripping the GF off Sydney was a bluff that the Sydney-centric boomers that control this sport had no intention of following through on, and you should never make threats you aren't willing to follow through on.

I don’t have an issue with the GF moving. I just don’t think Vlad or any other boss would accept a lower offer just to spite the government. That was the context of the post I responded to. I’m sure the stakeholders wouldn’t let him anyway. And yes, I agree. Don’t make threats you can’t back up

 

[MugaB]

I don’t have an issue with the GF moving. I just don’t think Vlad or any other boss would accept a lower offer just to spite the government. That was the context of the post I responded to. I’m sure the stakeholders wouldn’t let him anyway. And yes, I agree. Don’t make threats you can’t back up

What happens when they move it, and NSW govt feel like they didn't miss much, as the winning city didn't do much with it?

 

[Canard]

What happens when they move it, and NSW govt feel like they didn't miss much, as the winning city didn't do much with it?

That's f**king hilarious.

 

[The_Wookie]

Alot of people seem to be including the Telstra side of it too.

Joint announcement, same press conference, bundled in the total announced by the AFL. Thats probably why.
People wont include AFL radio rights either, even though Radio rights are part of the NRL deal.

There is no apples v apples comparison.

We will find out soon enough , prob around 22 feb 2024 the new deals just opened are reported for AFL and the NRL I am quietly confident that on a straight TV and Pay TV ( only) deal basis the NRL will come out top!
If so, why such debbie downers.

You wont know. The NRL wont announce broadcast revenue. Just like it hasnt every year since Vlandys took over. Neither side have posted Foxtels contributions. The AFL hasnt even posted the Telstra component.

So it comes down to Total Revenue reported. And the NRL isnt coming out on top there.

 

[Iamback]

Joint announcement, same press conference, bundled in the total announced by the AFL. Thats probably why.
People wont include AFL radio rights either, even though Radio rights are part of the NRL deal.

There is no apples v apples comparison.

You wont know. The NRL wont announce broadcast revenue. Just like it hasnt every year since Vlandys took over. Neither side have posted Foxtels contributions. The AFL hasnt even posted the Telstra component.

So it comes down to Total Revenue reported. And the NRL isnt coming out on top there.

Telstra doesn't report it either?

 

[The_Wookie]

Telstra doesn't report it either?

AFL announced a revised deal had been finalised with Foxtel, while the Telstra deal had remained unchanged.

What Im not clear on is whether the 2018 deal was altered when Kayo took all the streaming rights and whether the "unchanged" part was a modification from the adjustment to streaming rights - i think the value may be the same, but a lot of that will now be contra work at Marvel. If not then its 50m a year as signed on

The Telstra arrangement remains unchanged and McLachlan thanked Telstra CEO Andy Penn for his ongoing commitment to the game and building a digital audience which is at record levels.

UPDATE: AFL locks in new deals with Seven, Foxtel

AFL and Seven West Media and Foxtel agree to new media rights deal, Telstra remains unchanged

www.afl.com.au

 

[Iamback]

AFL announced a revised deal had been finalised with Foxtel, while the Telstra deal had remained unchanged. What Im not clear on is whether the 2018 deal was altered when Kayo took all the streaming rights. If not then its 50m a year.

That is what I remember at the time. I am hoping we get enough from the other partners to atleast get closer to the mark.

I am fine with the deal because the NRL is able to do what it wants. Not sure it does that with shorter lengths

BUT if we want to get a true gauge on PVL performance then getting it is a key part if not the most important

 

[colly]

Se

Joint announcement, same press conference, bundled in the total announced by the AFL. Thats probably why.
People wont include AFL radio rights either, even though Radio rights are part of the NRL deal.

There is no apples v apples comparison.



You wont know. The NRL wont announce broadcast revenue. Just like it hasnt every year since Vlandys took over. Neither side have posted Foxtels contributions. The AFL hasnt even posted the Telstra component.

So it comes down to Total Revenue reported. And the NRL isnt coming out on top there.

Settle down we know the AFL has the biggest total revenue , never said it doesn't. We will see how they present this time.

 

[The_Wookie]

Se

Settle down we know the AFL has the biggest total revenue , never said it doesn't. We will see how they present this time.

My point is we cant prove anything about who got more broadcast revenue.

 

[Wb1234]

What happens when they move it, and NSW govt feel like they didn't miss much, as the winning city didn't do much with it?

Be like Melbourne losing the cup

what other sporting events are Sydney known for ?

Telstra doesn't report it either?

Count 20 millon cash for Telstra

 

[The_Wookie]

1Count 20 millon cash for Telstra

Do you always just make shit up

 

[MugaB]

Do you always just make shit up

Its the calculator he uses

 

[Wb1234]

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Its the calculator he uses

I borrowed it from Gill

some of the buttons don’t make sense though

what’s this button about contra at marvel stadium mean

when I push it you get a whole lot of extra zeros added on

 

[The_Wookie]

I borrowed it from Gill

some of the buttons don’t make sense though

what’s this button about contra at marvel stadium mean

when I push it you get a whole lot of extra zeros added on

So...in other words. Yes. You do make shit up. its ok to not know the answer to things.

 

[Perth Red]

It is hard because we don't know the figures for TV. But let's assume you are right in this deal is unders. Look at the alternative.

sign a reduced 2-3 year deal takes us to 2024.

No Dolphins
No buying hotels or Vegas

New deal starts in 2025. Dolphins would be looking to start 2025 or 2026. That deal would go to 2029. You are probably looking at Team 18 for 2028.

In 2028 as it stands the next TV deal is into it's 2nd year with a 9th game and looking to expand further. On top of close to $1b in revenue

I don't think the game would be better in 2028 under that alternate model

personally I’d of rather waited two years for those things and got an extra $150mill a year for the next 5 years! But that’s just me.

 

[Perth Red]

I don’t think he could genuinely accept a lower offer to move the GF just to spite the government though, could he?

I doubt it’d be a lower offer. I’m sure Perth, brisbane and melbourne would all match ir better what nsw is offering. reality is nrl aren’t moving the gf from Sydney, fan and media blow up would be huge for them, and the nsw govt know it.