Peter V'landys - New NRL/ARLC Chairman

[siv]

First of all, good on them.

Secondly, a large swathe of QLD Cup clubs are against it too because it will affect their competition a whole lot more.

Thirdly, why do you think a national reserve grade is a good idea anyway? Not many sports do it (European soccer) because it is not a particularly good idea. I know the fumblers don’t for example. It’s also an anti growth, anti expansion idea and will give even more power to clubs which is not what you or I want

I dont see how the QRL or NSWRL could vote on what the NRL choose to do with their contracted players 17 to 36

 

[Maximus]

It is a profit share arrangement, What the NRL do with their share shouldn't concern the players. They will get their 45%

Except they are claiming to be insanely profitable, so the players and clubs look at that and think "we are the product, we should be getting a higher percentage. Give us 48%"

It's just embarrassing that you are defending his dumbarse bragging

 

[Maximus]

@Perth Red I thought you'd be all over this.

2. Dismiss the appeal with costs.

Australian Rugby League Commission Limited v New South Wales Rugby League Limited - NSW Caselaw

www.caselaw.nsw.gov.au

Another embarrassing loss for V'landys

 

[Iamback]

Except they are claiming to be insanely profitable, so the players and clubs look at that and think "we are the product, we should be getting a higher percentage. Give us 48%"

It's just embarrassing that you are defending his dumbarse bragging

I don't get what the bragging matters, If the figures align. Wouldn't they ask for the extra anyway?

 

[Captain Apollo]

The 2 issues mentioned was GF and Magic Round, Neither are locked in for the 5 year period. So that would be an educated guess rather then a lie

In all seriousness though, if you saw the full revenue earned, WTH would it matter what was earned on individual items during the year like Magic Round or the Grand Final? Sorry but some of this is sounding a bit ridiculous.

In all serioussness, the ARLC are negotiating. They haven't done anything like locking the players out as has happened in the NHL, the NFL, the NBA and MLB in the US on various occasions over the past30-40 years.

 

[Iamback]

In all seriousness though, if you saw the full revenue earned, WTH would it matter what was earned on individual items during the year like Magic Round or the Grand Final? Sorry but some of this is sounding a bit ridiculous.

In all serioussness, the ARLC are negotiating. They haven't done anything like locking the players out as has happened in the NHL, the NFL, the NBA and MLB in the US on various occasions over the past30-40 years.

The only thing I can think of is the projections for those had no growth over the 5 years. Like we don't know the GF venue this year. So it would be a guess with what it will bring in

Exactly nor games missed, In the history of CBA's much bigger. Better run sports have had these go way worse

 

[Captain Apollo]

Players demand seat on commission in rugby league pay stoush

Andrew Abdo and Peter V’landys cancelled their trips to the World Cup to get a deal done. But RLPA chief Clint Newton is in the UK. It’s emblematic of how far apart the parties are.

www.smh.com.au

 

[Wb1234]

In all seriousness though, if you saw the full revenue earned, WTH would it matter what was earned on individual items during the year like Magic Round or the Grand Final? Sorry but some of this is sounding a bit ridiculous.

In all serioussness, the ARLC are negotiating. They haven't done anything like locking the players out as has happened in the NHL, the NFL, the NBA and MLB in the US on various occasions over the past30-40 years.

They have a fair idea what they make

I mean the grand final would be 20 million and magic maybe ten million

then they will say oh you should be paying the grand final teams more and the clubs put on magic they should get more from that

when, as you say , they’ve already seen the arlc audited financials they know how much profit the game makes

obviously between the players and clubs together they want the arlc to be making zero profits

 

[Wb1234]

Players demand seat on commission in rugby league pay stoush

Andrew Abdo and Peter V’landys cancelled their trips to the World Cup to get a deal done. But RLPA chief Clint Newton is in the UK. It’s emblematic of how far apart the parties are.

www.smh.com.au

Players talking about industrial action if they don’t get their way

clubs will form a super league if they don’t get their demands

between the players and the clubs demands the arlc is spending an extra 68 million pa on these groups combined

 

[Maximus]

I don't get what the bragging matters, If the figures align. Wouldn't they ask for the extra anyway?

Ah the players and clubs are likely only seeing revenue figures. They wouldn't know the projected profit.

If they are on 45% and asking for 47%, they have little chance of success if the profit is $20m. Once the projected profit of $50m is bragged about, chances of getting the 47% skyrocket, and now they have reason to hold the game hostage.

That seat on the commission demand that the ARLC wants nothing to do with? That goes away a lot easier when you pay them more. After he bragged, there is no pretending that you can't afford the extra money.

You don't brag about how much you are making before you finish negotiations with your 2 biggest stakeholders. It's really that simple, but for some reason you must defend him at all costs.

 

[Iamback]

Players demand seat on commission in rugby league pay stoush

Andrew Abdo and Peter V’landys cancelled their trips to the World Cup to get a deal done. But RLPA chief Clint Newton is in the UK. It’s emblematic of how far apart the parties are.

www.smh.com.au

But but PVL bragged about a surplus = the hold up

 

[Perth Red]

Looks like they are defending their guy to the hilt.

As you would expect after he gifted them a $600 million cold remedy!

 

[Perth Red]

@Perth Red I thought you'd be all over this.

2. Dismiss the appeal with costs.

Australian Rugby League Commission Limited v New South Wales Rugby League Limited - NSW Caselaw

www.caselaw.nsw.gov.au

Another embarrassing loss for V'landys

Not content with embarrassing the game once, he went back for a second go and came up short again. Another black mark in the Vlandys ledger

 

[Perth Red]

If they are on 45% and asking for 47%, they have little chance of success if the profit is $20m. Once the projected profit of $50m is bragged about, chances of getting the 47% skyrocket, and now they have reason to hold the game hostage.

the last cap and grant deal was equal to 40% of revenue. They could be asking for as much s 7% more of revenue this time. That’s a big chunk of money ($42million a year) taken out of nrl coffers. That has to be taken from somewhere.

I don’t have much of a problem with players getting more, especially the lower paid ones. We are seeing the long term price some of them pay for our entertainment.

Clubs, they’re just being greedy. They are now profitable and there is no justification for them getting significantly more.

 

[Iamback]

Ah the players and clubs are likely only seeing revenue figures. They wouldn't know the projected profit.

If they are on 45% and asking for 47%, they have little chance of success if the profit is $20m. Once the projected profit of $50m is bragged about, chances of getting the 47% skyrocket, and now they have reason to hold the game hostage.

That seat on the commission demand that the ARLC wants nothing to do with? That goes away a lot easier when you pay them more. After he bragged, there is no pretending that you can't afford the extra money.

You don't brag about how much you are making before you finish negotiations with your 2 biggest stakeholders. It's really that simple, but for some reason you must defend him at all costs.

Yes but the revenue hasn't changed it is still x amount.
If a club doesn't spend all of their $15m are the players going to get more of that?

Where have they said the money isn't good? All the stories across the last month or so has been Conditions.

Wade Graham wrote an article and said stuff like the players want to control the retired players fund, Want to have a say in the rules and so on

 

[Iamback]

Players don't want a draft
Players like the Nov 1 contract period
Amongst other things

So while they have a say with the new CBA they are going for what they can.
A seat on the Commission gets them a say in all those issues and more.

Who knew that so many people would get all twisted from a puff piece

People whinge that the media is always bad, Pete Badel is clearly a PVL fan, Does a positive article and yet it is bad. f**k RL fans whinge at everything, Even cringy puff piece articles

 

[Maximus]

Yes but the revenue hasn't changed it is still x amount.
If a club doesn't spend all of their $15m are the players going to get more of that?

Where have they said the money isn't good? All the stories across the last month or so has been Conditions.

Wade Graham wrote an article and said stuff like the players want to control the retired players fund, Want to have a say in the rules and so on

Did you miss Harry Grant's whinge that they are being lowballed and the money isn't enough for young players?

Every player is saying something different.

 

[Colk]

Players don't want a draft
Players like the Nov 1 contract period
Amongst other things

So while they have a say with the new CBA they are going for what they can.
A seat on the Commission gets them a say in all those issues and more.

Who knew that so many people would get all twisted from a puff piece

People whinge that the media is always bad, Pete Badel is clearly a PVL fan, Does a positive article and yet it is bad. f**k RL fans whinge at everything, Even cringy puff piece articles

Hence why I said earlier about some of the player demands being ridiculous. They should be getting less if they are not willing to compromise on something like this absolute shambles of a player transfer system.

 

[Captain Apollo]

These are the key points which are taken from the article the SMH published, which I posted the link to up thread (post - https://forums.leagueunlimited.com/threads/peter-vlandys-new-nrl-arlc-chairman.477949/post-15476604) -

KEY POINTS​

• RLPA wants an additional 1 per cent of revenue, which equates to about $13 million.
• NRL wants to introduce transfer windows. The union is vehemently against the “restraint of trade”.
• Players want a seat on the Commission, while the NRL believes this compromises its independence.
• Players want a bigger slice of the “outperformance share” if the NRL performs above financial forecasts.

 

[Colk]

These are the key points which are taken from the article the SMH published, which I posted the link to up thread (post - https://forums.leagueunlimited.com/threads/peter-vlandys-new-nrl-arlc-chairman.477949/post-15476604) -

Fair enough on points 1 and 4 but points 2 and 3 are ridiculous.