Peter V'landys - New NRL/ARLC Chairman

[BlueandGold]

We still arent in the same ball park, and that ball park gets alot bigger in 2025. We'll need a lot more hotels to close that gap by any decent amount!

2022 the revenue gap was $271mill.

Hate to burst your bubble.

The AFL had 95m in Government grants in the 2022 revenue figure. (Stadium upgrades)

You will be much lower this year.

 

[BlueandGold]

2012 NRL revenue 181m

https://www.nrl.com/siteassets/documents/nrl-annual-report-2015.pdf

Page 89

2012 AFL revenue 471m

2012 AFL Annual Report - Sports Industry AU

So the AFLs 2012 Annual Report has finally been released and we can make some adjustments to the shallow pool of information we’ve had access to. Participation Perhaps the biggest items of interest in the participation section were NSW had more than 48,000 Auskick participants – more than any...

www.footyindustry.com

More than double the NRL in 2012.

2023 NRL predicted revenue 660m + NRL revenue from 3 hotels.
2023 AFL predicted revenue without Gov grant 870m which includes Marvel

Only blind Freddy can tell me the trend in central revenue is not in the NRL's favor.

 

[Wb1234]

Depends if you consider investing in grassroots, facilities, assets, clubs and players a waste?

thats good. so avg $2.4mill per hotel so far?

are they? link? They've bought what some are valuing as $1billion worth of land for $200mill with the added bonus of a stadium for their use and profit thrown in. Then got the Govt to fund its improvements to the tune of $225mill which will generate even more money. Sounds like a half decent deal to me. If only NRL could do same with Commbank or Allianz!

Sports, Jobs, & Taxes: Are New Stadiums Worth the Cost?

Brookings Review article by Roger G. Noll and Andrew Zimbalist (Summer 1997)

www.brookings.edu

There’s a reason very few stadia are solely funded from private capital

even with a much lower hurdle rate of return stadia barely show a positive cba

there’s also the obvious question of who funds the 1 billion required when it’s out of date in 25 to 30 years

and in terms of investing in clubs and players the nrl is ahead of the afl

 

[Perth Red]

Hate to burst your bubble.

The AFL had 95m in Government grants in the 2022 revenue figure. (Stadium upgrades)

You will be much lower this year.

I didn’t include the govt grant in my revenue figures!

 

[Chins get the wins]

Its not and investment strategy, as long as there isnt another pandemic!
They are buying the properties and leasing back to the hotel companies to run them. Be interesting to know what the lease revenue is and whose responsible for maintenance costs.

Fmd merkin. Have you been diagnosed?

 

[Perth Red]

2012 NRL revenue 181m

https://www.nrl.com/siteassets/documents/nrl-annual-report-2015.pdf

Page 89

2012 AFL revenue 471m

2012 AFL Annual Report - Sports Industry AU

So the AFLs 2012 Annual Report has finally been released and we can make some adjustments to the shallow pool of information we’ve had access to. Participation Perhaps the biggest items of interest in the participation section were NSW had more than 48,000 Auskick participants – more than any...

www.footyindustry.com

More than double the NRL in 2012.

2023 NRL predicted revenue 660m + NRL revenue from 3 hotels.
2023 AFL predicted revenue without Gov grant 870m which includes Marvel

Only blind Freddy can tell me the trend in central revenue is not in the NRL's favor.

Bit of a cherrry pick as afl new tv deal had kicked in and nrls hadnt till following year.

reality is vlandys hasnt closed the gap and it isnt closing, in fact is set to get bigger over next 5 years Unless nrl pulls some pretty amazing rabbits out of the hat.

AFL Revenue 2022 - 870m NRL Revenue 2022 - 593m Revenue Gap 2022 - 277m Total Gap since 2012 - 2.54b Furthest apart the two codes have been since 2017, furthest apart in a year without starting a new broadcast deal, second furthest apart theyve been since the ARLC was formed.

https://x.com/footyindustryAU/status/1628372946598387716?s=20

 

[BlueandGold]

I didn’t include the govt grant in my revenue figures!

Yes.

Comparing 1 year.

Try comparing 12 years.

2012 NRL revenue 181m

https://www.nrl.com/siteassets/documents/nrl-annual-report-2015.pdf

Page 89

2012 AFL revenue 471m

2012 AFL Annual Report - Sports Industry AU

So the AFLs 2012 Annual Report has finally been released and we can make some adjustments to the shallow pool of information we’ve had access to. Participation Perhaps the biggest items of interest in the participation section were NSW had more than 48,000 Auskick participants – more than any...

www.footyindustry.com

More than double the NRL in 2012.

2023 NRL predicted revenue 660m + NRL revenue from 3 hotels.
2023 AFL predicted revenue without Gov grant 870m which includes Marvel

Only blind Freddy can tell me the trend in central revenue is not in the NRL's favor.

 

[BlueandGold]

Bit of a cherrry pick as afl new tv deal had kicked in and nrls hadnt till following year.

reality is vlandys hasnt closed the gap and it isnt closing, in fact is set to get bigger over next 5 years Unless nrl pulls some pretty amazing rabbits out of the hat.

AFL Revenue 2022 - 870m NRL Revenue 2022 - 593m Revenue Gap 2022 - 277m Total Gap since 2012 - 2.54b Furthest apart the two codes have been since 2017, furthest apart in a year without starting a new broadcast deal, second furthest apart theyve been since the ARLC was formed.

https://x.com/footyindustryAU/status/1628372946598387716?s=20

Did you read the post.

Those are predicted 2023 numbers.

What are you talking about hahaha

The AFL revenue (471m) was 150% larger than NRL (181m) in 2012.

In 2023 its more like 25%

Not hard to understand.

NRL predicted 2023 revenue 660m + 3 Hotels revenue
AFL predicted 2023 revenue 870m includes Marvel.

The gap has closed up substantially.

 

[Perth Red]

Yes.

Comparing 1 year.

Try comparing 12 years.

There you go. The gap isnt closing

 

[Perth Red]

Did you read the post.

Those are predicted 2023 numbers.

What are you talking about hahaha

Yes I did, you quoted 2012 numbers, it’s a cherry pick due to timing of new tv deals that year.

you’re guessing at revenue for 2023, we’ll see what reality is next month or so. The afl is highly unlikely to be $870mill, they got that in 2022 year and in. 2023 have a $70mill tv contract upgrade,

 

[BlueandGold]

There you go. The gap isnt closing

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AFL includes investments (Marval)

NRL does not include investments.

Apples and Oranges.

Thanks for playing.

''it’s a cherry pick due to timing of new tv deals that year.''

You compared 1 year in 2022 when the AFL had the increased broadcast deal (471m) and the NRL was stuck on the old one (360m).

The AFL started its new deal (471m) 2 year ago.

So that 856m includes increased AFL broadcast deal and investments.



And the NRL 593m does not include new deal and does not include investments.

 

[Iamback]

Fmd merkin. Have you been diagnosed?

For having Gill's dick so far in his mouth that it has fried his brain?

 

[Wb1234]

Fmd merkin. Have you been diagnosed?

Yep results came back positive for being a pommie

 

[The_Wookie]

AFL includes investments (Marval)

NRL does not include investments.

Apples and Oranges.

Thanks for playing.

''it’s a cherry pick due to timing of new tv deals that year.''

You compared 1 year in 2022 when the AFL had the increased broadcast deal (471m) and the NRL was stuck on the old one (360m).

The AFL started its new deal (471m) 2 year ago.

So that 856m includes increased AFL broadcast deal and investments.

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And the NRL 593m does not include new deal and does not include investments.


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AFL one doesnt include a new deal that doesnt start before 2025. Like the NRL, the AFL extended their original deals - from 2022 to 2024 in the AFLs case - in 2020.

The 2 year 942m extension didnt start until 2023. The COVID discounting on the original deal ended in 2022.

 

[The_Wookie]

Did you read the post.

Those are predicted 2023 numbers.

What are you talking about hahaha

The AFL revenue (471m) was 150% larger than NRL (181m) in 2012.

2012 the first year of a new AFL deal, the new NRL deal kicked in in 2013.

In 2023 its more like 25%

Probably closer to 35% (at your 660m eval), but theyve certainly closed some of it.

Not hard to understand.

NRL predicted 2023 revenue 660m + 3 Hotels revenue

Revenue from those hotels will be interesting indeed - or would be if it just wont be folded into consolidated figures.

AFL predicted 2023 revenue 870m includes Marvel.

Your prediction for AFL revenue is low, given they were just below that last year at 856m. I expect AFL revenue this year to be around 900m+ given the $73m rights revenue increase.

 

[BlueandGold]

AFL one doesnt include a new deal that doesnt start before 2025. Like the NRL, the AFL extended their original deals - from 2022 to 2024 in the AFLs case - in 2020.

Yes it does, a 2 year deal.

473m a year.

Previous deal was 414m over 4 years.

 

[The_Wookie]

Yes it does, a 2 year deal.

473m a year.

Previous deal was 414m over 4 years.

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yes, thanks. I believe I wrote that - and as the quoted post says it is an extension of the original deal.

It wasnt in the 2022 Report, it will be in the 2023-24 ones

 

[Perth Red]

AFL includes investments (Marval)

NRL does not include investments.

Apples and Oranges.

Thanks for playing.

''it’s a cherry pick due to timing of new tv deals that year.''

You compared 1 year in 2022 when the AFL had the increased broadcast deal (471m) and the NRL was stuck on the old one (360m).

The AFL started its new deal (471m) 2 year ago.

So that 856m includes increased AFL broadcast deal and investments.

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And the NRL 593m does not include new deal and does not include investments.


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lol you really need to get your facts straight! 2022 didn’t include the new afl tv deal and the revenue quoted did not include the marvel Stadium grant, if it did it would be $944.3mill.

 

[Wb1234]

lol you really need to get your facts straight! 2022 didn’t include the new afl tv deal and the revenue quoted did not include the marvel Stadium grant, if it did it would be $944.3mill.

Wow better handle of the afl figures than wookie

bravo

 

[TheEroticGamer]

A hotel a couple hundred metres away from Suncorp, another next door to shark park and now one a four minute drive from Sunshine Coast stadium.

Where next?

Also, a Sunshine Coast team is a gimme soon, right?