Phil Rothfield- Nine Sydney teams is too many

[Frank_Grimes]

7 of 9 Sydney teams have won a Premiership since the last time the media and Queenslanders went full genius about culling Sydney teams. The two that didn't have combined for 2 grand final appearances, 3 minor premierships, and 9 preliminary final defeats.

Was waiting for this. The argument gets brought up repeatedly and most predominantly by NSW journalists and media but it's Queenslanders going full genius?

The chip is real.

 

[RL The greatest game]

I'm not in favour of mergers and what i would like to see would be for a Sydney club relocate to the CC as their choice, not have a gun held to their head.
The same goes for Perth as well.

 

[Jason Maher]

Was waiting for this. The argument gets brought up repeatedly and most predominantly by NSW journalists and media but it's Queenslanders going full genius?

The chip is real.

Live in denial if you must.

 

[Frank_Grimes]

Live in denial if you must.

At least if you ever get hungry you can always look back over your own shoulder...

 

[POPEYE]

This f**king bullshit again? Rothfield and every other merkin who keeps bringing this up can go f**k themselves.

Let's look at the recent history of the current 9 Sydney clubs 1998-2015 (the NRL era; the result of 3 mergers, 2 clubs being killed off, and one coming back).

Canterbury - 2004 Premiers; 1998, 2012*, 2014* runners-up; 2003, 2006, 2009 preliminary finalists; 1999, 2001, 2007, 2013, 2015 finalists.

Cronulla - 1999*, 2001, 2002, 2008 preliminary finalists; 2000, 2005, 2012, 2013, 2015 finalists.

Manly - 2008, 2011 Premiers; 2007*, 2013* runners-up; 2012 preliminary finalists; 1998, 2005, 2006, 2009, 2010, 2012, 2014 finalists.

Parramatta - 2001*, 2009 runners-up; 1998, 1999, 2000, 2005*, 2007 preliminary finalists; 2002, 2006 finalists.

Penrith - 2003* Premiers; 2004, 2014 preliminary finalists; 2000, 2010 finalists.

Souths - 2014 Premiers; 2012, 2013 preliminary finalists; 2007, 2015 finalists.

St. George-Illawarra - 2010* Premiers; 1999 runners-up; 2005, 2006 preliminary finalists; 2001, 2002, 2004, 2008, 2009*, 2011, 2015 finalists.

Sydney Roosters - 2002, 2013* Premiers; 2000, 2003, 2004*, 2010 runners-up; 1998, 2014*, 2015* preliminary finalists; 1999, 2001, 2008 finalists.

Wests Tigers - 2005 Premiers; 2010 preliminary finalists; 2011 finalists.

* = minor premiers

7 of 9 Sydney teams have won a Premiership since the last time the media and Queenslanders went full genius about culling Sydney teams. The two that didn't have combined for 2 grand final appearances, 3 minor premierships, and 9 preliminary final defeats.

But of course we know media memory only goes back 6 months (except for the Queensland media, which never forgets the slightest perceived injustice emanating from Sydney), and an all-Queensland Grand Final clearly means Rugby League in Sydney is dead and there should only be 4 teams in Sydney.



I hope you never see a Perth team come to reality. You don't deserve it for your constant sniping and death-riding of existing teams. Now f**k off and learn what a shower is.

 

[some11]

Yeah, it's that bloody Queensland media I tell ya!!!

>article written by Phil Rothfield for the Daily Telegraph

 

[beave]

 

[MarkC]

Why dont we just head towards 20 teams

They you can create two divisions of promotion relegation

Then you just need to promote the NSW Cup and QLD Cup premiers and we can introduce a ESL Super 8 system

I would eventually go one step further and have 22 teams with 21 rounds playing each other team once per season.

You do need to expand gradually so the next step is to go to 18 teams.

Expansion means more revenue as there are more TV games, fans attending advertising etc.

We do need to fund expansion but a chunk of each TV rights deal should be reserved for that.

We should never force mergers or relocation on a club, that should always be a decision for the club and their fans.

The absolute maximum the NRL should do is offer modest incentives for relocation. A relocation has to stack up on its own merit, with the existing fans accepting the move and the new area welcoming the team. It seems unlikely, but occasionally circumstances like this may arise.

With the expanded comp, the NRL should help fund the continued existence of clubs, but not guarantee their competitiveness. Clubs need to stand on their own feet and take responsibility for their future, clubs who fail to do that should be propping up the bottom of the table until they get their act together.

In desperate circumstances a club may look at relocation rather than many years of being noncompetitive, but that is their decision.

 

[POPEYE]

For you Jason, I f**ked up the post above

Good reading ol' mate but what does Sydney centric chopping and changing do to inspire a comp where every team should be composed mostly of one club players and every team is in with a realistic chance of keeping those players.

Alright if you only want teams playing each other taking turns at 15 minutes in the limelight, no good if you want districts attracting career players and cultures and every team being ultra competitive every year not just now and again. The point now is the Sydney fishbowl is not what it used to be and thank f**k for that

 

[MarkC]

Good reading ol' mate but what does Sydney centric chopping and changing do to inspire a comp where every team should be composed mostly of one club players and every team is in with a realistic chance of keeping those players.

This is a separate issue, but again an area where the game can be improved.

The current Salary Cap system does not reward developing players and the NRL seem to change the rules each year with a view to getting a different team to win the comp.

Having a more settled robust system with reward for player development, and settled rules is preferable.

Good teams will get more success for longer, not necessarily in terms of a premiership, but more in terms of good opportunities for a premiership.

Weaker teams will need to earn success, not just trying for a quick fix of signing talent from other clubs.

It has nothing to do with geographic location, it is all about professionalism and hard work. Clubs that build a strong team should get to enjoy that team for a few years.

 

[BlueandGold]

This f**king bullshit again? Rothfield and every other merkin who keeps bringing this up can go f**k themselves.

Let's look at the recent history of the current 9 Sydney clubs 1998-2015 (the NRL era; the result of 3 mergers, 2 clubs being killed off, and one coming back).

Canterbury - 2004 Premiers; 1998, 2012*, 2014* runners-up; 2003, 2006, 2009 preliminary finalists; 1999, 2001, 2007, 2013, 2015 finalists.

Cronulla - 1999*, 2001, 2002, 2008 preliminary finalists; 2000, 2005, 2012, 2013, 2015 finalists.

Manly - 2008, 2011 Premiers; 2007*, 2013* runners-up; 2012 preliminary finalists; 1998, 2005, 2006, 2009, 2010, 2012, 2014 finalists.

Parramatta - 2001*, 2009 runners-up; 1998, 1999, 2000, 2005*, 2007 preliminary finalists; 2002, 2006 finalists.

Penrith - 2003* Premiers; 2004, 2014 preliminary finalists; 2000, 2010 finalists.

Souths - 2014 Premiers; 2012, 2013 preliminary finalists; 2007, 2015 finalists.

St. George-Illawarra - 2010* Premiers; 1999 runners-up; 2005, 2006 preliminary finalists; 2001, 2002, 2004, 2008, 2009*, 2011, 2015 finalists.

Sydney Roosters - 2002, 2013* Premiers; 2000, 2003, 2004*, 2010 runners-up; 1998, 2014*, 2015* preliminary finalists; 1999, 2001, 2008 finalists.

Wests Tigers - 2005 Premiers; 2010 preliminary finalists; 2011 finalists.

* = minor premiers

7 of 9 Sydney teams have won a Premiership since the last time the media and Queenslanders went full genius about culling Sydney teams. The two that didn't have combined for 2 grand final appearances, 3 minor premierships, and 9 preliminary final defeats.

But of course we know media memory only goes back 6 months (except for the Queensland media, which never forgets the slightest perceived injustice emanating from Sydney), and an all-Queensland Grand Final clearly means Rugby League in Sydney is dead and there should only be 4 teams in Sydney.



I hope you never see a Perth team come to reality. You don't deserve it for your constant sniping and death-riding of existing teams. Now f**k off and learn what a shower is.

Great Post, NRL will not relinquish its power base in Sydney.

 

[BlueandGold]

I'm not in favour of mergers and what i would like to see would be for a Sydney club relocate to the CC as their choice, not have a gun held to their head.
The same goes for Perth as well.

You want a NRL club to move to the CC which atm is a economic basketcase.

:lol:

 

[DiegoNT]

Strengthen the second tier comps.
Eventually create a second division with prospective bid teams and the strongest nsw/qld cup teams.
If the conditions are right create a promotion/relagation system ( if we can get that right we'd blow the rival codes out of the water)
If the conditions are not right at least some teams will have had a solid base for nrl expansion and/or to replace struggling teams ( for example if in 10 years wests tigers are still a basket case they can be demoted and the strongest of the second tier teams can replace it).

 

[Abz]

That won't work in the NRL Diego. Relegated clubs will go bankrupt.

 

[RL The greatest game]

You want a NRL club to move to the CC which atm is a economic basketcase.

:lol:

Only if the club wants to.

 

[DiegoNT]

That won't work in the NRL Diego. Relegated clubs will go bankrupt.

When a team gets promoted they get a one off payment to help bring them into competition with the nrl teams. A similar one off payment would be given to the relegated team to stave of bankruptcy and to help them adjust to the second tier. ( loss of sponsorship and lower crowds will mean clubs will be making less money in the second division. )

 

[MarkC]

Only if the club wants to.

There is a good ground at CC with a substantial leagues club near by.

It is not just a matter of a club wanting to move, the CC locals have to accept and welcome the club.

Economically, many people on the CC have jobs in Sydney, it may be struggling a bit at present but it is not a basket case.

The issues on the CC exist to some degree in all regional areas, it is hard to develop a diversified economy with good employment prospects.

Often an area that is struggling will give strong support to a footy team, turning up to the game and watching the team may be a welcome distraction from day-to-day struggles.

There is the issue of corporate support, but really only the Broncos and Roosters have strong corporate support.

Even a club like the Bulldogs rely a lot of local small business, similar small businesses probably exist in most regional areas.

There is a lot of potential to increase the corporate sponsorship of the NRL, the big end of town probably wants a better standard of off field player behavior.

The other issue is a lot of them probably went to private schools and are more inclined to follow RU.

 

[I Bleed Maroon]

Triple M threw the Tigers under the bus. It's easy to name drop the club that is struggling the most and the most publicly at this moment, what about the clubs that have struggled for years and gotten away with it?

 

[MarkC]

Triple M threw the Tigers under the bus. It's easy to name drop the club that is struggling the most and the most publicly at this moment, what about the clubs that have struggled for years and gotten away with it?

I agree the Sharks, Titans and Canberra have all struggled at times in recent years.

All of those clubs have the potential to come good, in fact it seems the Sharks are already well on the way.

The Tigers also have a good base, management has screwed up in recent years, they need to sort that out before they can progress. But there is nothing fundamentally wrong with the club, except for perhaps the fact that the merger never really settled down.

What that shows is mergers are a bad idea.

 

[Captain Apollo]

When a team gets promoted they get a one off payment to help bring them into competition with the nrl teams. A similar one off payment would be given to the relegated team to stave of bankruptcy and to help them adjust to the second tier. ( loss of sponsorship and lower crowds will mean clubs will be making less money in the second division. )

The problem is that current second tier teams do not have great finances. It is not like in UK soccer or even UK rugby league where lower division teams get crowds of 5,000-10,000 per game.

Add in the poor infrastructure (namely grounds), it is unrealistic to think promotion/relegation would work in Australia.