PNG's back.

[Wb1234]

But it will (severely) if the government withdraws funding. If the idea is ‘oh well if the government withdraws funding then we will close up shop’ then that is not real smart.

A PNG side that fails would do more harm than good.

A meteor could hit the earth tomorrow if you wanna make stuff up

25 million minus 15 million equals 10 millon profit

the govt is paying us to expand our pathways in png to elite level

we will benefit from future player production. Without spending a cent

 

[Colk]

A meteor could hit the earth tomorrow if you wanna make stuff up

25 million minus 15 million equals 10 millon profit

the govt is paying us to expand our pathways in png to elite level

we will benefit from future player production. Without spending a cent

The first statement is completely strawman.

Again if the government withdraws funding for this, who’s paying for this? It is a pretty big question that people want to just ignore because it makes them feel uncomfortable or because they can’t answer it. To also trust politicians is a bit naive in my opinion.

The only way this should work is an upfront payment covering a significant portion of time (a decade or more) otherwise it is completely stupid.

 

[Wb1234]

The first statement is completely strawman.

Again if the government withdraws funding for this, who’s paying for this? It is a pretty big question that people want to just ignore because it makes them feel uncomfortable or because they can’t answer it. To also trust politicians is a bit naive in my opinion.

The only way this should work is an upfront payment covering a significant portion of time (a decade or more) otherwise it is completely stupid.

How do you know the govt will stop funding it

what basis is there for this

if you want to make up random stuff every bid has things wrong with it

other than Brisbane

so no Perth either

stupid argument

 

[Colk]

How do you know the govt will stop funding it

what basis is there for this

if you want to make up random stuff every bid has things wrong with it

other than Brisbane

so no Perth either

stupid argument

Study politics my friend. Sorry to be realistic about it all but it is the height of naïveté to trust politicians to fund this in perpetuity.

Nothing and I mean nothing is more expendable than political self interest. They will only fund it so long as it doesn’t cost them votes. Once it costs them votes they will drop funding as quickly as they can.

 

[Wb1234]

Study politics my friend. Sorry to be realistic about it all but it is the height of naïveté to trust politicians to fund this in perpetuity.

Nothing and I mean nothing is more expendable than political self interest. They will only fund it so long as it doesn’t cost them votes. Once it costs them votes they will drop funding as quickly as they can.

Dumb argument colky

anyway 100 million made the storm a force in the heartland of afl with no juniors

Png will have 250 million in a nation which league is number one and has juniors

and we don’t know what the png govt is putting in

are you actually trying to argue the arlc should turn down the 250 million ? Lmao

 

[Maximus]

Study politics my friend. Sorry to be realistic about it all but it is the height of naïveté to trust politicians to fund this in perpetuity.

Nothing and I mean nothing is more expendable than political self interest. They will only fund it so long as it doesn’t cost them votes. Once it costs them votes they will drop funding as quickly as they can.

He's an expert on every single topic, and yet apparently has never heard of Peter Dutton and the LNP, the party that cuts foreign aid and spending every time it takes office.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Vlandys wants it because he's a greedy merkin. If the North Korean govt put money on the table he'd take it. The fact he'd take money from anywhere doesn't mean he has any power.

Also, NSW Labor have made the opposition to new stadiums pretty clear, and given the NSW govt own Accor Stadium, how exactly do you think the Federal govt is going to knock down and rebuild it without their support?

A few points here... you're probably right about him being a greedy merkin, but don't you want the person in charge of growing the game's revenue being a greedy merkin? I know I do.

The stadiums thing was just an idea off the top of my head as to how Albo could help Vlandys and the NRL out in exchange for a PNG team. If it's not stadiums, there are many other things Albo could throw in to sweeten the deal.

Anyway, the point of what we are discussing is that the NRL does have the power because we could easily ignore the Govts PNG request and go with any one of three other options that would be better for the NRL than PNG. Albo wants it way more than we need it.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Saying it is so doesn’t make it true lol

Most popular sport in Australia. We've got a bigger audience.

 

[Colk]

Dumb argument colky

anyway 100 million made the storm a force in the heartland of afl with no juniors

Png will have 250 million in a nation which league is number one and has juniors

and we don’t know what the png govt is putting in

are you actually trying to argue the arlc should turn down the 250 million ? Lmao

I think it is incredibly dumb to trust politicians or politics, that’s all. It’s just way too unstable. If they can’t give a massive one off payment then they shouldn’t do it.

Also, there are some people on here who obviously have never been to a third world country otherwise they would not be peddling this idea that it is a simple thing to achieve. What we’re suggesting here hasn’t been tried by any sport in any competition.

There is no multinational competition anywhere in the world where you have cities/areas with such different economic and social conditions competing in the same competition. There is a reason why that is.

 

[Colk]

Most popular sport in Australia. We've got a bigger audience.

I’d much rather their money/revenue. Let’s be honest.

It is equivalent to a person working harder or more efficiently than another person and earning a whole lot less.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

That doesn’t sound like a good decision does it? At least from a logical standpoint.

Why do something that you don’t need to do or has a higher chance of failure?

No. Not logical at all, in fact I would put them 5th in the pecking order behind Perth, NZ2, Ipswich and Adelaide.

That wasn't the point of my post. My point was that IF it's going to happen, the Govt wants it more than the NRL does which tips the balance of power in our favour

 

[BuffaloRules]

PVL might be a wanker but getting to and surviving at the top of NSW Racing tells me that he isn’t naive …

I would be extremely surprised if he agrees to the PNG NRL team without Govt contractual obligations to pay the $20-25m per year for minimum 10 years, which would be subject to penalty provisions if they try to turn off the tap early…

I mean .., it’s the Governments idea right …so the NRL has some leverage here ..

He isn’t going to be caught out by something like Bill Shorten knifing Albo prior to the next election and having that Victorian asking questions about why the Aust Govt funding that “meathead sport”….?

What happens after 10 years though …. Im not so sure … could fall over quick when the money stops…

Look … personally I’d rather them expand to about 4 other places … but I suspect that the recent news about PNG and PVL’s invitation to the White House was the quid pro quo for agreeing to Albo’s request for the team in PNG…

 

[titoelcolombiano]

But it will (severely) if the government withdraws funding. If the idea is ‘oh well if the government withdraws funding then we will close up shop’ then that is not real smart.

A PNG side that fails would do more harm than good.

Pathways and any deal sweetners that come along with getting it a cross the line will be the legacy to RL (maybe stadiums, maybe Aus Govt influence to help the U.S. push, maybe something else altogether).

If the PNG team goes under, an Adelaide or Perth will jump all over the existing pathways and I'm sure the NRL will assist to ensure they are permanent.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

There is no multinational competition anywhere in the world where you have cities/areas with such different economic and social conditions competing in the same competition. There is a reason why that isis

Super Rugby

 

[titoelcolombiano]

I’d much rather their money/revenue. Let’s be honest.

It is equivalent to a person working harder or more efficiently than another person and earning a whole lot less.

That will be rectified in the coming years with the expansion, additional women's content, solid international calendar and investment in assets

 

[titoelcolombiano]

PVL might be a wanker but getting to and surviving at the top of NSW Racing tells me that he isn’t naive …

I would be extremely surprised if he agrees to the PNG NRL team without Govt contractual obligations to pay the $20-25m per year for minimum 10 years, which would be subject to penalty provisions if they try to turn off the tap early…

I mean .., it’s the Governmen’s idea right …so the NRL has some leverage here ..

He isn’t going to be caught out by something like Bill Shorten knifing Albo prior to the next election and having that Victorian asking questions about why the Aust Govt funding that “meathead sport”….?

What happens after 10 years though …. Im not so sure … could fall over quick when the money stops…

Look … personally I’d rather them expand to about 4 other places … but I suspect that the recent news about PNG and PVL’s invitation to the White House was the quid pro quo for agreeing to Albo’s request for the team in PNG…

This is the point right here. The NRL don't have to do PNG, so the Govt will have to make it a sweet deal for the NRL otherwise it just won't happen

 

[Maximus]

A few points here... you're probably right about him being a greedy merkin, but don't you want the person in charge of growing the game's revenue being a greedy merkin? I know I do.

Not if it has a high chance of backfiring.

If govt cuts funding and the PNG team goes bust, TV commitments can't be met and they can tear up the deal. If that's done on short notice, it could be disastrous.

Some risks just aren't worth taking.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Not if it has a high chance of backfiring.

If govt cuts funding and the PNG team goes bust, TV commitments can't be met and they can tear up the deal. If that's done on short notice, it could be disastrous.

Some risks just aren't worth taking.

Fair enough mate. I think it is a risk worth taking, but I can see where you are coming from

 

[Colk]

Pathways and any deal sweetners that come along with getting it a cross the line will be the legacy to RL (maybe stadiums, maybe Aus Govt influence to help the U.S. push, maybe something else altogether).

If the PNG team goes under, an Adelaide or Perth will jump all over the existing pathways and I'm sure the NRL will assist to ensure they are permanent.

This is why I’m saying that it is a bad idea. You should not be blasé about the support that PNG has for the game and automatically assume that it will always be there if it fails. This is a massive risk.

For instance, If you give them a team and you pull it at the first instance of trouble then two things could conceivably occur.

Firstly, you’re giving other sports a free kick right there. RU would love us to have a go and fail. Secondly, having sport linked so inextricably with politics is a massive negative in my opinion. It essentially has to work otherwise if it fails, you are potentially damaging relationships for a very long time.

 

[Colk]

Super Rugby

How is that travelling for Union?

You do understand the logistical aspects or difficulties having a very poor area like PNG trying to compete against clubs from much wealthier areas creates?