PNG's back.

[Wb1234]

Mate they're garbage and so is Tonga at the moment.

Tonga and Samoa's success is totally reliant on all the heritage star players eligible to represent them being available and electing to represent them over AUS or NZ. Because they aren't producing any talent locally there's no depth beneath that surface level, which is about as deep as a puddle, and relying on those top heritage players isn't sustainable over the long term.

Both of them will be up and down, yo-yo if you will, teams until such a time as genuine, sustainable, development of the sport happens on the ground in the islands. But that development isn't happening because there's no necessity for it for so long as they believe they can rely on Australia and NZ to produce the lion's share of their talent for them. Is what it is.

Population of Tonga 100k
Population of samoa 200k

islander population in nz and Australia ? 500k to 1 million

Tonga and samoa will never be able to produce a much players as the Islander diaspora

at least they are more choosing to play for their home nations in rugby league unlike in union where the all blacks raid them hard as to the wallabies

 

[The Great Dane]

The English gave away loads of freebies in that 11k crowd. All the rugby league kids in the area got one

so even in pounds it converts backs to zero dollars Australian

Freebies are given out at every event, but even if half the crowd went for free they still likely would have made a larger return than that that was made in PNG today...

 

[The Great Dane]

Population of Tonga 100k
Population of samoa 200k

islander population in nz and Australia ? 500k to 1 million

Tonga and samoa will never be able to produce a much players as the Islander diaspora

at least they are more choosing to play for their home nations in rugby league unlike in union where the all blacks raid them hard as to the wallabies

That's just the thing though isn't it; these players aren't choosing to play for their home nations if they choose to play for Samoa and Tonga. They're meant to be national teams, not ethnic...

Throwing out these population statistics is just weak excuse making for the sport attempting to cut corners and there never having been any genuine attempts to grow the sport in these islands.

 

[Wb1234]

Freebies are given out at every event, but even if half the crowd went for free they still likely would have made a larger return than that that was made in PNG today...

2k freebies or more given our

That's just the thing though isn't it; these players aren't choosing to play for their home nations if they choose to play for Samoa and Tonga. They're meant to be national teams, not ethnic...

Throwing out these population statistics is just weak excuse making for the sport attempting to cut corners and there never having been any genuine attempts to grow the sport in these islands.

there are players coming from the islands

the issue is you expect amateurs to be able to compete with the likes or the Roos or nz

heritage players aren’t an issue for the union World Cup and they get billions watching without batting an eyelid so it shouldn’t be an issue for league either

 

[Iamback]

PNG doesn't even have a schoolboys comp.

That would be what the $600m is towards, updating schools.

RL benefits because of a training program for teenagers, PNG benefits from improved schools ( Atleast a few anyway ) it may even get them attending school.

Which even if they don't make it at RL, Gives them an education.

That is when the Kumuls will see the benefit

 

[BuffaloRules]

A few lines later govt says no final amount has been decided, love to know where the $600mill has come from lol

from a money point of view, even if only half that, yes. From a realsitic long term viability of a successful nrl club, not really.

I hope nrl has a plan b for them and doesn’t screw the png fans when the govt changes its mind.

nrl “ any new nrl club has to have a strong business case”
nrl this week “f**k a business case, give us that tax payer money”

How much is the WA Govt kicking in for the Perth NRL team?

Oh that’s right ,,, we don’t know … might be zilch …

 

[jim_57]

That should be the next 3 teams, Not sure of the order but if you get PNG next. With the pathways fixed up, I'd even put them with the fiji Flegg team ( Assuming it happens)

That gets more juniors before you go to Perth which is the big thing they lack.

Not sure PNG model fits as has been reported, So likely tweeks to that

Just read this was mentioned on broadcast today, do you know the jist of what was said and who was saying it?

 

[Perth Red]

How much is the WA Govt kicking in for the Perth NRL team?

Oh that’s right ,,, we don’t know … might be zilch …

PNG thread

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Wouldn't it be ironic if a PNG NRL team recruited players from the WARL?

 

[The Great Dane]

there are players coming from the islands

Yeah all two or three or them each lol, and that's if we include guys whom immigrated to AUS or NZ as toddlers.

the issue is you expect amateurs to be able to compete with the likes or the Roos or nz

I have no expectation that Samoa or Tonga will ever be genuinely competitive with larger first world nations. Is what it is, not much you can do about it.

The problem is that you, and others whom share your position, would prefer effectively gerrymander the competition, undermining the legitimacy and authenticity of the competition in the process, by attempting to take a short cut to competitive internationals by creating a faux international competition, rather than invest the time and resources necessary to foster genuine international growth.

heritage players aren’t an issue for the union World Cup and they get billions watching without batting an eyelid so it shouldn’t be an issue for league either

Nothing even close to the scale of what's accepted in RL occurs in RU amongst international nations participating in major competitions, but it wouldn't be an excuse to copy them even if they did have multiple teams made up almost exclusively of heritage players pretending to represent multiple nations.

Anyway, you've totally failed to address any of the points I made. It's probably not worth continuing unless you attempt to address my actual criticism instead of throwing out nonsense and whataboutery.

 

[Bukowski]

How much is the WA Govt kicking in for the Perth NRL team?

Oh that’s right ,,, we don’t know … might be zilch …

So at worse case , the same amount as the NZ, QLD and PNG govts are putting up. f**k expansion hey.

 

[Bukowski]

So who is going to own this club? Aus govt? ARLC?

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

So at worse case , the same amount as the NZ, QLD and PNG govts are putting up. f**k expansion hey.

The WA Gov spent $6m on two barebones stands at Perth Rectangular Stadium.

The new stadium, which will also cater for other rectangular sports, has backing from the Town of Vincent, which is investing $4.5 million in the project with a further $6 million coming from the State Government.

HBF Park Redevelopment (Perth Rectangular Stadium) | Austadiums

View information for the redevelopment of HBF Park Redevelopment (Perth Rectangular Stadium).

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The Queensland Gov spent $280m on the Lang Park redevelopment in 2001; $193m on North Queensland Stadium, $180m on the Gabba redevelopment; $160m on Robina Stadium in 2008; $180m on the Gabba redevelopment, and; $126m on the Carrara redevelopment.

QLD Gov has spent $633m on three RL stadia.

WA Gov has spent a lousy $6m on two stands at Perth Rectangular Stadium. It recently spent $35m on providing 21st century lights in exchange for the right to host a few soccer world cup games.

Why should Perth have an NRL club when the WA Gov only spent $6m on its two second rate stands?

The other two sections of the ground are 40 years out of date.

The Queensland Gov has spent $306m on fumbleball stadia. That's $300m more than the WA Gov has spent on a stadium for RL, RU and soccer. It's not as if the WA Gov doesn't have any money. It just doesn't give a f**k about sports that aren't fumbleball.

 

[Wb1234]

Yeah all two or three or them each lol, and that's if we include guys whom immigrated to AUS or NZ as toddlers.

I have no expectation that Samoa or Tonga will ever be genuinely competitive with larger first world nations. Is what it is, not much you can do about it.

The problem is that you, and others whom share your position, would prefer effectively gerrymander the competition, undermining the legitimacy and authenticity of the competition in the process, by attempting to take a short cut to competitive internationals by creating a faux international competition, rather than invest the time and resources necessary to foster genuine international growth.

Nothing even close to the scale of what's accepted in RL occurs in RU amongst international nations participating in major competitions, but it wouldn't be an excuse to copy them even if they did have multiple teams made up almost exclusively of heritage players pretending to represent multiple nations.

Anyway, you've totally failed to address any of the points I made. It's probably not worth continuing unless you attempt to address my actual criticism instead of throwing out nonsense and whataboutery.

Yeh best you don’t continue I agree

 

[Iamback]

Just read this was mentioned on broadcast today, do you know the jist of what was said and who was saying it?

They want to develop talent for test matches, hence the young squad they have. Instead of feeding the Roosters Flegg team they want to run their own side. I think 2025 was the aim or that is what I was told

 

[BuffaloRules]

So at worse case , the same amount as the NZ, QLD and PNG govts are putting up. f**k expansion hey.

well … PNG have got Govt assistance … ours..

Does the WA Govt want a team or not ?

Announce something because it looks like they are about to miss out and may as well close down the bid for 5 years

 

[Canard]

The WA Gov spent $6m on two barebones stands at Perth Rectangular Stadium.

The new stadium, which will also cater for other rectangular sports, has backing from the Town of Vincent, which is investing $4.5 million in the project with a further $6 million coming from the State Government.​

​

HBF Park Redevelopment (Perth Rectangular Stadium) | Austadiums

View information for the redevelopment of HBF Park Redevelopment (Perth Rectangular Stadium).

www.austadiums.com

The Queensland Gov spent $280m on the Lang Park redevelopment in 2001; $193m on North Queensland Stadium, $180m on the Gabba redevelopment; $160m on Robina Stadium in 2008; $180m on the Gabba redevelopment, and; $126m on the Carrara redevelopment.

QLD Gov has spent $633m on three RL stadia.

WA Gov has spent a lousy $6m on two stands at Perth Rectangular Stadium. It recently spent $35m on providing 21st century lights in exchange for the right to host a few soccer world cup games.

Why should Perth have an NRL club when the WA Gov only spent $6m on its two second rate stands?

The other two sections of the ground are 40 years out of date.

The Queensland Gov has spent $306m on fumbleball stadia. That's $300m more than the WA Gov has spent on a stadium for RL, RU and soccer. It's not as if the WA Gov doesn't have any money. It just doesn't give a f**k about sports that aren't fumbleball.

On what planet should or would the WA commit to funding a stadium for NRL when they haven't have a team for the last 30 years?

Why can't you get that through your drug addled brain?

 

[Canard]

PNG doesn't even have a schoolboys comp.

That would be what the $600m is towards, updating schools.

RL benefits because of a training program for teenagers, PNG benefits from improved schools ( Atleast a few anyway ) it may even get them attending school.

Which even if they don't make it at RL, Gives them an education.

That is when the Kumuls will see the benefit

PNG doesn't have consistent running water and electricy, and crippling poverty.

And yet the experts on LU are predicting they will set up RL academies, player village's, Centre's of Excellence etc.

This is deadset Albo's "Let them eat cake" moment. He is on a speed run to lose the PM job, and V'landys is to stupid to realise.

This is a brainfart of an idea, that will fail spectacularly.

 

[BuffaloRules]

On what planet should or would the WA commit to funding a stadium for NRL when they haven't have a team for the last 30 years?

Why can't you get that through your drug addled brain?

A new stadium is a joke … but what about some money for a COE?

still mightn’t get it done … but they are in a competition against other bids … do they want to be in or not?

 

[BuffaloRules]

PNG doesn't have consistent running water and electricy, and crippling poverty.

And yet the experts on LU are predicting they will set up RL academies, player village's, Centre's of Excellence etc.

This is deadset Albo's "Let them eat cake" moment. He is on a speed run to lose the PM job, and V'landys is to stupid to realise.

This is a brainfart of an idea, that will fail spectacularly.

I’ve done enough arguing against the proposed move … but doesn’t the PNG Govt want the team and have made a request to the Aust Govt for assistance to get them one?