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Canard

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Do you mean the amount of reports indicating that it is going to be the next side(or at least the next two sides) is not enough for you to think that it is more possible than not? The best anybody can say, until it is actually announced, is whether it is likely, and you or I can only go by w

From now on, take it as read, that all my posts come with the caveat "in my opinion".

The fact that I, or anyone has to say that is mind boggling.
 

Canard

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hang on, the players wont be paying tax to Australia. It would be the png gov giving tax-free status.
It almost certainly wouldn't be this scenario.

Given you have to declare foreign income under Australian tax law, it would be hilarious if they got tax exempt status from the PNG govt and then turned around and got burned by the ATO.

 

Chief_Chujo

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It almost certainly wouldn't be this scenario.

Given you have to declare foreign income under Australian tax law, it would be hilarious if they got tax exempt status from the PNG govt and then turned around and got burned by the ATO.

This is dependant on residency. You can't pop over a country for six months, earn a bunch and come back expecting it to be tax free for example. But if you're living in that country long term, enough for residence status, then the ATO can't tax you on your income.

Maybe the deal with the government is relaxing those residency laws for the players.
 

Chief_Chujo

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The unions will love this: Footy players tax exempt, everybody else has to pay tax like a sucker.
I mean if it's based around residency you may as well get angry about the thousands of expats earning overseas right now.

Residency tax laws kinda explain why V'Landys has said the team must be based in PNG thinking about it.

Edit: Take an Aussie playing at the Warriors for a few years as an example. Should Wayde Egan be paying the ATO as well as the NZIRD? Of course not.
 
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Colk

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From now on, take it as read, that all my posts come with the caveat "in my opinion".

The fact that I, or anyone has to say that is mind boggling.

To be fair I say the same s*** to Pips with his nonsense mate.

I don’t think it should happen as it’s absolute lunacy. But it looks likely that it will happen.
 

Wb1234

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Do you mean the amount of reports indicating that it is going to be the next side(or at least the next two sides) is not enough for you to think that it is more possible than not? The best anybody can say, until it is actually announced, is whether it is likely, and you or I can only go by what is said. With that in mind, by the comments made by all parties, it would be more likely to happen than not (heck the act of even negotiating with the government) suggest that it is on the agenda.

I agree with you wholeheartedly in that I think it is a really really daft idea but you are saying that isn’t going to happen (i.e. 100% not going to happen). What evidence have you got that it is definitely not going to happen?

I mean if it's based around residency you may as well get angry about the thousands of expats earning overseas right now.

Residency tax laws kinda explain why V'Landys has said the team must be based in PNG thinking about it.

Edit: Take an Aussie playing at the Warriors for a few years as an example. Should Wayde Egan be paying the ATO as well as the NZIRD? Of course not.
Pvl tried for cairns

cowboys pushed back strongly

Andrew hill whose putting the png bid together also said they didn’t need cairns for the bid to stack up

Then Bennett also told pvl it had to be png based which sealed it

hence the recent demands by the arlc to the govt which they have now come to an agreement
 

Canard

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This is dependant on residency. You can't pop over a country for six months, earn a bunch and come back expecting it to be tax free for example. But if you're living in that country long term, enough for residence status, then the ATO can't tax you on your income.

Maybe the deal with the government is relaxing those residency laws for the players.

I mean if it's based around residency you may as well get angry about the thousands of expats earning overseas right now.

Residency tax laws kinda explain why V'Landys has said the team must be based in PNG thinking about it.

Edit: Take an Aussie playing at the Warriors for a few years as an example. Should Wayde Egan be paying the ATO as well as the NZIRD? Of course not.
Those expats, and Warriors players are paying tax in their relevant jurisdictions now though.

Being tax free isn't the same as this (bar some Middle East examples).

If PNG wants to grant this to RL players or anyone, I have no objection, but it's clear that V'landys is wants Australians to be given tax free status in Australia.
 
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Do you mean the amount of reports indicating that it is going to be the next side(or at least the next two sides) is not enough for you to think that it is more possible than not? The best anybody can say, until it is actually announced, is whether it is likely, and you or I can only go by what is said. With that in mind, by the comments made by all parties, it would be more likely to happen than not (heck the act of even negotiating with the government) suggest that it is on the agenda.

I agree with you wholeheartedly in that I think it is a really really daft idea but you are saying that isn’t going to happen (i.e. 100% not going to happen). What evidence have you got that it is definitely not going to happen?
If media coverage is indicative of who is next then Bears would have been the 16th team.
 

MugaB

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The other clubs will be against a PNG team getting any leg ups over them in the player market.
yeah coz that's gonna happen,... please, the whole tax free setup was only introduced due to Not being able to be set up in aus (cairns) where they could have attracted more athletes, than being based in Port Moresby... they'll get the mercs up there, hell debelins already looking for a long term contract
 

MugaB

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Mate, what do you think FIFO workers do all the time? Same thing with players not agreeing to a trade window when every other sport on the planet does it.

But I agree the tax free thing won't happen. Its a non starter from the electorate and the clubs.
You guys are seriously delusional, if you don't think the clubs won't sign off on it, they are as greedy as pigs, if the govt is sporting the cash, means the clubs get an increase in funds each, so the 17 split stays as is, not 18 ways.. if say perf or nz2 were let in the would have to split it 18 ways
 

MugaB

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Those expats, and Warriors players are paying tax in their relevant jurisdictions now though.

Being tax free isn't the same as this (bar some Middle East examples).

If PNG wants to grant this to RL players or anyone, I have no objection, but it's clear that V'landys is wants Australians to be given tax free status in Australia.
As if, now who's loony tools, Australian or any players that sign a contract to play for this PNG team, based in Port Moresby, should be the only ones getting it, not sure how you got all Australian players, a visiting team isn't somehow going to get tax free for that week ffs
 

Canard

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As if, now who's loony tools, Australian or any players that sign a contract to play for this PNG team, based in Port Moresby, should be the only ones getting it, not sure how you got all Australian players, a visiting team isn't somehow going to get tax free for that week ffs
All Australian residents for tax purposes who play for the PNG, I never mentioned anything about visiting teams.

IMO (for you @Colk ) this is politically on the nose and likely a dead duck.
 

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Do you mean the amount of reports indicating that it is going to be the next side(or at least the next two sides) is not enough for you to think that it is more possible than not? The best anybody can say, until it is actually announced, is whether it is likely, and you or I can only go by what is said. With that in mind, by the comments made by all parties, it would be more likely to happen than not (heck the act of even negotiating with the government) suggest that it is on the agenda.

I agree with you wholeheartedly in that I think it is a really really daft idea but you are saying that isn’t going to happen (i.e. 100% not going to happen). What evidence have you got that it is definitely not going to happen?
what if the government changes, has LNP stated they would continue to fund this PNG idea?
 

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Inside the Chairman’s Room, V’landys was thrilled with the result but, as the last alcoholic ginger beer slid down an hour after full-time, he was spoiling for a fight.
“Tomorrow will make or break the PNG deal,” he admitted.
It wasn’t hyperbole. In September last year, Prime Minister Anthony Albanese told him he was prepared to cough up a staggering $600 million over 10 years to fund a PNG team.
In simple terms, the Pacific has become a geopolitical battleground with China and rugby league, oddly, has become a secret weapon.

In August 2022, the Solomon Islands government accepted a US$66 million loan from China to allow telecommunications giant Huawei to construct 161 mobile phone towers.
“If not for those towers, we’re probably not having this discussion,” one media boss mused.
Rugby league diplomacy: Pacific Minister Pat Conroy presents PNG Prime Minister James Marape with a Queensland Maroons jersey in Canberra earlier this year..

Rugby league diplomacy: Pacific Minister Pat Conroy presents PNG Prime Minister James Marape with a Queensland Maroons jersey in Canberra earlier this year..CREDIT: ALEX ELLINGHAUSEN
When Albanese asked PNG Prime Minister James Marape what it would take to secure his country’s loyalty to Australia, the response was clear: an NRL team for his rugby league-obsessed people to be announced before the country’s 50-year independence celebrations in 2025.
V’landys’ eyes widened when Albanese mentioned the enormous sum on the table, but he’s become increasingly annoyed in recent months as bureaucrats squabble about how it will be spent.

Essentially, the NRL wants a large chunk of the funds allocated to schools, community programs and junior development to make the PNG team brd out of Port Moresby the “Penrith of the Pacific”.
Otherwise, it’s just a shiny new toy easily discarded when the money dries up or the government changes.
Clearly fed up, V’landys used a Friday morning media conference to lash the government for its dithering — “This is D-Day!” he declared — while Conroy wasn’t in the mood to be bullied.
“When I negotiate with people, I do it behind closed doors,” he said, before announcing the Queensland Reds rugby union side would play matches in Tonga under the PacificAus Sports program. “I’m announcing a deepening of our partnership with rugby union, so it’s self-evident that the Australian government has a number of options about who we partner with.”
According to sources familiar with negotiations, the rugby union reference infuriated V’landys, who strongly considered walking away from the negotiations later that day.

As the opening match of Magic Round between Canberra and Canterbury kicked off on Friday night, V’landys, Conroy and their respective entourages were going head-to-head in the boardroom on level two.
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At 6.40pm, V’landys emerged from the lifts on level five with NRL chief executive Andrew Abdo, commissioner and former Queensland sports minister Kate Jones and corporate affairs boss Misha Zelinsky in tow.
The quartet made a beeline for the Chairman’s Room, but a handful of reporters quickly collared V’landys, who explained how the game wanted to expand to 20 teams but that business cases for any new franchise — including PNG, the Perth Bears, Christchurch and Brisbane Easts — had to be established before any decisions were made.
Not everyone in rugby league is convinced about the merits of a PNG team.

The suggestion that those who sign with the new franchise will be exempt from paying tax has gone down like a bad corporate box prawn with clubs, who operate under a strict salary cap.
Then there’s the Forbidden City, an extravagant $100 million compound to be constructed in Port Moresby for players and coaching staff to shield them from the violence and crime for which the sprawling PNG capital is notorious.
As V’landys and his cohort disappeared into their suite, Channel Nine expert Paul Vautin was walking by.
Would he have considered, during his illustrious playing career, gobbling up tax-free dollars to play in PNG?
“Nnnnnnnnever!” he said. “Not a chance.”
 
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