PNG's back.

[Wb1234]

How much of that over time could come due to a team?

The squad would very likely be mostly locals, $12m salary cap would be shared amongst their familes as is often the case with islander players now.

Hospital upgrade and education upgrades would go with that to support a professional side.

We send Govt Aid anyway. So could jointly fund those. There are multi nationals sponsor the Hunters. Digicel sponsor West Indies in cricket so have the means to up their support.

The fact they have government support is a good thing, without that I wouldn't be behind it

Exactly

it’s literally foreign aid

and it would be so effective

20 million Aussie dollars could have an impact on 17 million people

 

[Gobsmacked]

A lot

Look I get the misty eyed view of this - I would also love a PNG side but I want it to be successful and at the end of the day you have to look at the positives and negatives. There are just so many more issues or factors to overcome than any benefits you can see.

Benefits
Potential player development - this is supposedly the biggest benefit although I would counter this and say how many players have they actually produced for the NRL. I can think of three of the top of my head. So I don’t really think it is certain that there will all of a sudden be an absolute stream of talent coming in. It’s a little optimistic at least.
There is interest - Totally agree. But how much can this interest be monetised.
Political benefit - It would aid our relations yes but to also suggest or infer that somehow that would mean that they are likely to reject financial assistance from China on the back of this is incredibly naive. They are a poor country so they are going take aid from wherever they can get it.

Negatives.
Australian TV wouldn’t likely want a PNG side. It increases their costs dramatically without giving much additional revenue.

What would advertisers want out of a PNG side - a lot of the country doesn’t have a lot of disposable income so what you would be able to sell them?

What about gate receipts? Selling merchandise? How would the population sustain this side

What about the infrastructure?

Where are you basing them? You base them in PNG then you have problems. If you base them outside of PNG then you have logistical issues . You have got extra flights and accomodation to pay for. Then you have the central issue of what’s in it for the secondary region.
Like for example what do say Cairns (as that is what has been floated) get out of this arrangement? They have to build a stadium and facilities so that a side that doesn’t come from that region play there for half the year. Why do you think people from Cairns will support this idea in say the medium to long term once the novelty wears off. Think of it this way: would you think of it as a good idea if say a Sydney side played half their games in Townsville or in Perth?

Safety - what happens if an NRL side refuse to play in PNG because of safety concerns? It happened recently with a QLD Cup side so it is not out of realms of possibility. Do the NRL put their foot down in this instance
Climate - PNG is just really hot. Much hotter than Townsville It would be oppressive for players.
Optics - you don’t think that this isn’t going to become a political football (eventually) What happens when other codes/sports go to the federal government and say well you’re funding this, why don’t you fund millions of dollars of investments for us in the region.

What happens when somebody (quite rightly) points out the government is directly paying the pay packets of highly publicised sports people- you don’t think that there might be pressure from other sections of the community? The same pressure will occur if the side is uncompetitive or there are off field issues.

What happens if and when PNG next take aid from China - people are likely to conflate the two aren’t they?

Also If it does become a political football then it can also become an issue for voters and if it becomes a negative issue and the optics are bad then it is likely that the government would drop the funding because of self interest.

Lastly, how is this team going to be competitive? Like how are they going to recruit decent players? How are they going to keep decent players? I don’t see how you could sell this as an attractive proposition.

A lot of good points.
They would 100% have to be government funded and guaranteed for a long time. My first suggestion was 20 million guaranteed for 50 years but of those figures could be different.
For all the talk about talent, I don't see a lot of them making the NRL. There's a lot of things attributed to that. First thing is PNG people aren't big people.. they're malnourished, lack discipline ect . Passion doesn't equal talent.
So they would need to be able to attract players like everyone.
For that reason they 100% have to be based in Cairns and perhaps play maybe 6 of their home games there.
They would need an extra cap allowance of at least 2 million to be able to get players.

If they got a team, it kinda isn't possible as a 100% PNG team. For that reason they should be called the- PNG ALLIANCE.

 

[Wb1234]

Look I get the misty eyed view of this - I would also love a PNG side but I want it to be successful and at the end of the day you have to look at the positives and negatives. There are just so many more issues or factors to overcome than any benefits you can see.

Benefits
Potential player development - this is supposedly the biggest benefit although I would counter this and say how many players have they actually produced for the NRL. I can think of three of the top of my head. So I don’t really think it is certain that there will all of a sudden be an absolute stream of talent coming in. It’s a little optimistic at least.
There is interest - Totally agree. But how much can this interest be monetised.
Political benefit - It would aid our relations yes but to also suggest or infer that somehow that would mean that they are likely to reject financial assistance from China on the back of this is incredibly naive. They are a poor country so they are going take aid from wherever they can get it.

Negatives.
Australian TV wouldn’t likely want a PNG side. It increases their costs dramatically without giving much additional revenue.

What would advertisers want out of a PNG side - a lot of the country doesn’t have a lot of disposable income so what you would be able to sell them?

What about gate receipts? Selling merchandise? How would the population sustain this side

What about the infrastructure?

Where are you basing them? You base them in PNG then you have problems. If you base them outside of PNG then you have logistical issues . You have got extra flights and accomodation to pay for. Then you have the central issue of what’s in it for the secondary region.
Like for example what do say Cairns (as that is what has been floated) get out of this arrangement? They have to build a stadium and facilities so that a side that doesn’t come from that region play there for half the year. Why do you think people from Cairns will support this idea in say the medium to long term once the novelty wears off. Think of it this way: would you think of it as a good idea if say a Sydney side played half their games in Townsville or in Perth?

Safety - what happens if an NRL side refuse to play in PNG because of safety concerns? It happened recently with a QLD Cup side so it is not out of realms of possibility. Do the NRL put their foot down in this instance
Climate - PNG is just really hot. Much hotter than Townsville It would be oppressive for players.
Optics - you don’t think that this isn’t going to become a political football (eventually) What happens when other codes/sports go to the federal government and say well you’re funding this, why don’t you fund millions of dollars of investments for us in the region.

What happens when somebody (quite rightly) points out the government is directly paying the pay packets of highly publicised sports people- you don’t think that there might be pressure from other sections of the community? The same pressure will occur if the side is uncompetitive or there are off field issues.

What happens if and when PNG next take aid from China - people are likely to conflate the two aren’t they?

Also If it does become a political football then it can also become an issue for voters and if it becomes a negative issue and the optics are bad then it is likely that the government would drop the funding because of self interest.

Lastly, how is this team going to be competitive? Like how are they going to recruit decent players? How are they going to keep decent players? I don’t see how you could sell this as an attractive proposition.

At least you understand the vision

it’s not up to me or you to make the bid work

it’s up to the Australian and png govts to do that

but is it possible one day ? Sure it it

if png was afl mad I dare say they would put a team there

it’s time for rugby league to be visionary

and we are talking 15 years down the track they have to wait behind a long list of other places

 

[Wb1234]

A lot

A lot of good points.
They would 100% have to be government funded and guaranteed for a long time. My first suggestion was 20 million guaranteed for 50 years but of those figures could be different.
For all the talk about talent, I don't see a lot of them making the NRL. There's a lot of things attributed to that. First thing is PNG people aren't big people.. they're malnourished, lack discipline ect . Passion doesn't equal talent.
So they would need to be able to attract players like everyone.
For that reason they 100% have to be based in Cairns and perhaps play maybe 6 of their home games there.
They would need an extra cap allowance of at least 2 million to be able to get players.

If they got a team, it kinda isn't possible as a 100% PNG team. For that reason they should be called the- PNG ALLIANCE.

They defeated gb at home a few years ago

nrl scouts aren’t even looking at the area closely

 

[Wb1234]

You guys talking about png producing players

only one club is really spending a lot of money producing players and that’s one in western Sydney

others like Cronulla do a bit and most of the rest just put juniors from elsewhere into their lower grades

png is untapped

 

[Gobsmacked]

At least you understand the vision

it’s not up to me or you to make the bid work

it’s up to the Australian and png govts to do that

but is it possible one day ? Sure it it

if png was afl mad I dare say they would put a team there

it’s time for rugby league to be visionary

and we are talking 15 years down the track they have to wait behind a long list of other places

I personally support a team from PNG for a few reasons. 1 it gives the comp another dimension( really unique)
2 it massively helps PNG!! like massively! A team there could be a vessel that brings that country together.
3 it's not Perth.

 

[Iamback]

Look I get the misty eyed view of this - I would also love a PNG side but I want it to be successful and at the end of the day you have to look at the positives and negatives. There are just so many more issues or factors to overcome than any benefits you can see.

Benefits
Potential player development - this is supposedly the biggest benefit although I would counter this and say how many players have they actually produced for the NRL. I can think of three of the top of my head. So I don’t really think it is certain that there will all of a sudden be an absolute stream of talent coming in. It’s a little optimistic at least.
There is interest - Totally agree. But how much can this interest be monetised.
Political benefit - It would aid our relations yes but to also suggest or infer that somehow that would mean that they are likely to reject financial assistance from China on the back of this is incredibly naive. They are a poor country so they are going take aid from wherever they can get it.

Negatives.
Australian TV wouldn’t likely want a PNG side. It increases their costs dramatically without giving much additional revenue.

What would advertisers want out of a PNG side - a lot of the country doesn’t have a lot of disposable income so what you would be able to sell them?

What about gate receipts? Selling merchandise? How would the population sustain this side

What about the infrastructure?

Where are you basing them? You base them in PNG then you have problems. If you base them outside of PNG then you have logistical issues . You have got extra flights and accomodation to pay for. Then you have the central issue of what’s in it for the secondary region.
Like for example what do say Cairns (as that is what has been floated) get out of this arrangement? They have to build a stadium and facilities so that a side that doesn’t come from that region play there for half the year. Why do you think people from Cairns will support this idea in say the medium to long term once the novelty wears off. Think of it this way: would you think of it as a good idea if say a Sydney side played half their games in Townsville or in Perth?

Safety - what happens if an NRL side refuse to play in PNG because of safety concerns? It happened recently with a QLD Cup side so it is not out of realms of possibility. Do the NRL put their foot down in this instance
Climate - PNG is just really hot. Much hotter than Townsville It would be oppressive for players.
Optics - you don’t think that this isn’t going to become a political football (eventually) What happens when other codes/sports go to the federal government and say well you’re funding this, why don’t you fund millions of dollars of investments for us in the region.

What happens when somebody (quite rightly) points out the government is directly paying the pay packets of highly publicised sports people- you don’t think that there might be pressure from other sections of the community? The same pressure will occur if the side is uncompetitive or there are off field issues.

What happens if and when PNG next take aid from China - people are likely to conflate the two aren’t they?

Also If it does become a political football then it can also become an issue for voters and if it becomes a negative issue and the optics are bad then it is likely that the government would drop the funding because of self interest.

Lastly, how is this team going to be competitive? Like how are they going to recruit decent players? How are they going to keep decent players? I don’t see how you could sell this as an attractive proposition.

The wording was a Pasifica side based in PNG, In that case it opens more chances. Could host games in NZ v Warriors. Given how we have seen Tonga and Samoa embraced they should be able to move some merch.

That then brings the huge Samoan population in Western Sydney

 

[Wb1234]

I personally support a team from PNG for a few reasons. 1 it gives the comp another dimension( really unique)
2 it massively helps PNG!! like massively! A team there could be a vessel that brings that country together.
3 it's not Perth.

Number 3

hahhahaha

 

[Wb1234]

The wording was a Pasifica side based in PNG, In that case it opens more chances. Could host games in NZ v Warriors. Given how we have seen Tonga and Samoa embraced they should be able to move some merch.

That then brings the huge Samoan population in Western Sydney

Not a fan of mixing up png with tonga and samoa

I’d prefer the joint bid with cairns

 

[Iamback]

Exactly

it’s literally foreign aid

and it would be so effective

20 million Aussie dollars could have an impact on 17 million people

The ongoing too $12m cap would do wonders in the villages

 

[Iamback]

Not a fan of mixing up png with tonga and samoa

I’d prefer the joint bid with cairns

You adding players and sponsors by making it an islands team

 

[MugaB]

Not a fan of mixing up png with tonga and samoa

I’d prefer the joint bid with cairns

 

[Perth Red]

A pacifika team representing many nations and cultures based in a small regional city in Australia. Sounds about as likely as a nsw bears playing games at six different venues lol

 

[Colk]

A lot

A lot of good points.
They would 100% have to be government funded and guaranteed for a long time. My first suggestion was 20 million guaranteed for 50 years but of those figures could be different.
For all the talk about talent, I don't see a lot of them making the NRL. There's a lot of things attributed to that. First thing is PNG people aren't big people.. they're malnourished, lack discipline ect . Passion doesn't equal talent.
So they would need to be able to attract players like everyone.
For that reason they 100% have to be based in Cairns and perhaps play maybe 6 of their home games there.
They would need an extra cap allowance of at least 2 million to be able to get players.

If they got a team, it kinda isn't possible as a 100% PNG team. For that reason they should be called the- PNG ALLIANCE.

The wording was a Pasifica side based in PNG, In that case it opens more chances. Could host games in NZ v Warriors. Given how we have seen Tonga and Samoa embraced they should be able to move some merch.

That then brings the huge Samoan population in Western Sydney

None of these ideas are really good. Basing them in PNG just makes it impossible (nigh on) for them to recruit players essentially whilst basing them in Cairns seems tokenistic (for want of a better word)

Look I’d love for a side in PNG to work and maybe it will be one day but I think it would very ill advised to do so prior to them being ready. Ultimately, you want a new franchise to be competitive and I just don’t see how they could be. Also, any side has to be able to be self sustainable and has to add the bottom line of the competition. A PNG side wouldn’t do that at this stage.

At this point in time there are so many options (some which are not very good at all) in Australia and New Zealand that are evidently more sustainable (a couple more Brisbane sides, Central QLD, Far North QLD, 3 or more NZ sides, Central Coast, Northern NSW, Perth, Adelaide, a 2nd Melbourne side etc) you may as well look at those options.

 

[Iamback]

None of these ideas are really good. Basing them in PNG just makes it impossible (nigh on) for them to recruit players essentially whilst basing them in Cairns seems tokenistic (for want of a better word)

Look I’d love for a side in PNG to work and maybe it will be one day but I think it would very ill advised to do so prior to them being ready. Ultimately, you want a new franchise to be competitive and I just don’t see how they could be. Also, any side has to be able to be self sustainable and has to add the bottom line of the competition. A PNG side wouldn’t do that at this stage.

At this point in time there are so many options (some which are not very good at all) in Australia and New Zealand that are evidently more sustainable (a couple more Brisbane sides, Central QLD, Far North QLD, 3 or more NZ sides, Central Coast, Northern NSW, Perth, Adelaide, a 2nd Melbourne side etc) you may as well look at those options.

All of those areas have their own unique set of issues. For me having a 2nd tier set up and players are top of the list, Other people have different things at the top

 

[Pneuma]

A pacifika team representing many nations and cultures based in a small regional city in Australia. Sounds about as likely as a nsw bears playing games at six different venues lol

But still a better option than Perth.

 

[Gobsmacked]

A pacifika team representing many nations and cultures based in a small regional city in Australia. Sounds about as likely as a nsw bears playing games at six different venues lol

Still a better option than the most isolated city on the planet that has no interest in RL..

 

[Brian potter]

Yeh putting rugby league teams where they are crying out for a team and going for a place where we will always be tiny sounds smart to me

png central coast and nz2 would all be stronger clubs than any Perth nrl team

What part of PNG being a 3rd world country don’t you understand?

 

[Brian potter]

You probably need to stop thinking of PNG as your normal nrl team and think more broadly. An nrl team could be used as part of a bigger process for solving a lot of these issues. If done logically and strategically it could provide the impetus for social change. PNG is fanatical about the game. Use the NRL team as leverage for a broader process for growth and improvement. Yes it would be heavily subsidised and yes it may require some interesting logistics but given the budget required to get the country on track, the cost of an nrl team would be a drop in the ocean.

Financial albatross around the necks of the NRL and both the governments of Australia and PNG.

But I’d love to see some doodles of yours regrading a home&away jersey and badge of this potential PNG NRL…….sorry SPRL franchise mate.

 

[Brian potter]

20 mill between Australia and png govt is nothing
Have a look at chinas belt and road taking over the pacific

What happens if a future PNG government says yes to Chinese investment and closer ties?