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[vvvrulz]

nice retort, he does enjoy making stuff up... in saying that, some players have done sweet f**k all since

:lol: cheers

Agree that players are falling away and its annoying as hell.
They aren't crap players though, that's what I'm trying to get at here

 

[Fast Eddie]

Forgot we played them twice, but by all means initiate a commission of enquiry :crazy:

Point remains, when pressure was on, coaches and players were found dreadfully wanting

I just wanted to make sure that it was noted we went 1-1 vs a team that is clearly out of our league and was ahead of us on the table on points differential. We're clearly a fringe top 8 side currently, I think the statement that the teams around us are clearly better than us is ludicrous.

 

[Iron Lion]

We suck cause our roster sucks - id think that was pretty simple to identify.

Average weak roster = Average to weak results. Us beating mid level side now and then = every dog has its day

 

[Iron Lion]

:lol: cheers

Agree that players are falling away and its annoying as hell.
They aren't crap players though, that's what I'm trying to get at here

Virtually every single player who makes it to the NRL is not a crap player. But against the standard talent he can end up being a very average player though.

 

[vvvrulz]

WTF, no wonder we suck so bad if you guys as fans have this type of excuses.

But of course its the fans fault!!
You've cracked it.

 

[Iron Lion]

Maybe we need someone in our pack like this guy who clearly wants a contract next year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFfF-CPhM5Y#t=241

 

[Blair]

No finals in three years. Potential has to be realised and it isn't.

Our club's in trouble and we need changes to playing personnel and some management.

I think most people are on the same page here. The same squad next year (with Hoffman) is basically relying on Hoffman to get us into the eight and further.

That's putting too much pressure on one player. He's also a Storm player, they don't have good reputations when they move to the Warriors.

There's good analysis here on what needs to be done, but we're not making the actual decisions! I'd love to hear the talk around the board room table and office staff.

Price studied for an MBA degree. He's a tough ex-prop with business nous, who's committed himself and his family to a life in NZ. Can our club give him something? Or has he trodden on a few delicate toes?

 

[JJ]

I just wanted to make sure that it was noted we went 1-1 vs a team that is clearly out of our league and was ahead of us on the table on points differential. We're clearly a fringe top 8 side currently, I think the statement that the teams around us are clearly better than us is ludicrous.

They are better than us imo, if you think differently, that's fine.

They are playing semis, we're not... and the "we're not" part is predictable in recent years, as is the poor start, good middle of the year, poor finish...

But great if you want to talk about potential, mental strength, bad luck, or whatever - bottom line is we're not close to winning a premiership, and consistently missing the top 8

 

[Auckland4ever]

We're clearly a fringe top 8 side currently, I think the statement that the teams around us are clearly better than us is ludicrous.

Have to agree. Ridiculously close comp this year when it came to making the 8. Lost out by the equivalent of two converted tries and a penalty kick.

I think there was some improvement this season, not enough, but some. After a shaky start, our defense was pretty consistent and of an improved standard this year, IMO. First positive for & against since 2011. All the other issues remain, though. Biggest concern for me is the lack of power in our pack. They tend to only be effective on the back of our backs getting them a roll on or making breaks. How are you supposed to grind out dour games when you can't consistently even get parity up the middle, let alone dominate?

Overall, every side this year bar Penrith has played well below their best for quite large chunks of time. Won't look back at this whole season as being one of any great note as far as teams gelling and playing fantastic football is concerned.

 

[KeepingTheFaith]

It's one thing to say we should be good enough for top 4-6 but outside of the top 3 (Roosters, Manly, Rabbits) there's at least another 7-10 teams who with a decent draw/injury run/bounce of the ball are also "good enough" for top 4-6.

How do we get above just being good enough if things go our way?

For me it starts up front. I'd love to see a forward pack comparison between height/weight from 2011 compared to 2014. Just from observation I would bet that the majority of teams (or at least the top teams) have gotten larger, but we've stayed pretty much the same if not smaller.

Matagi, Bukuya, Mateo are simply not first grade quality defenders - goodbye

Rapira is not the same prop he was in 2011, whether that's because of size or injury catching up is open to debate, but he's just not the same player.

Ikahihifo/Lousi - The thing that stops me from including these guys alongside Matagi, Bukuya, Mateo is that more often than not their bad misses come from over reading the play or attempting to pull off a big tackle when it would be smarter to just hold the line. If we had better communicators replacing the first three I think these guys would both improve defensively as a result. It's not a lack of effort with these two.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

I'd argue we haven't taken a step forward at all from 2013. I know we were 11th last year, but same scenario in terms of if we'd won in the final round we gave ourselves a chance to make the 8 (we wouldn't have in the end).

Last year, we beat Manly and the premiers (Roosters) away no less. Big scalps. This year, we beat Melbourne in Melbourne and winning in NQ was also meritorious.

And that's about it.

 

[vvvrulz]

I'd argue we haven't taken a step forward at all from 2013. I know we were 11th last year, but same scenario in terms of if we'd won in the final round we gave ourselves a chance to make the 8 (we wouldn't have in the end).

Last year, we beat Manly and the premiers (Roosters) away no less. Big scalps. This year, we beat Melbourne in Melbourne and winning in NQ was also meritorious.

And that's about it.

Agree with all that, we haven't really gone anywhere since last year.
Showed glimpses of what we can do but couldn't hold it together.

I just don't want recruitment to be the primary focus because I don't think its the number one problem. The management needs to get this team delivering to its full potential and sorting out why players lose their heads at the end of a season. Get the mental part of the game fixed and get in the playoffs regularly like we should be, that would be my priority.

 

[JJ]

It's one thing to say we should be good enough for top 4-6 but outside of the top 3 (Roosters, Manly, Rabbits) there's at least another 7-10 teams who with a decent draw/injury run/bounce of the ball are also "good enough" for top 4-6.

How do we get above just being good enough if things go our way?

For me it starts up front. I'd love to see a forward pack comparison between height/weight from 2011 compared to 2014. Just from observation I would bet that the majority of teams (or at least the top teams) have gotten larger, but we've stayed pretty much the same if not smaller.

Matagi, Bukuya, Mateo are simply not first grade quality defenders - goodbye

Rapira is not the same prop he was in 2011, whether that's because of size or injury catching up is open to debate, but he's just not the same player.

Ikahihifo/Lousi - The thing that stops me from including these guys alongside Matagi, Bukuya, Mateo is that more often than not their bad misses come from over reading the play or attempting to pull off a big tackle when it would be smarter to just hold the line. If we had better communicators replacing the first three I think these guys would both improve defensively as a result. It's not a lack of effort with these two.

Spot on I reckon

 

[Fast Eddie]

They are better than us imo, if you think differently, that's fine.

They are playing semis, we're not... and the "we're not" part is predictable in recent years, as is the poor start, good middle of the year, poor finish...

But great if you want to talk about potential, mental strength, bad luck, or whatever - bottom line is we're not close to winning a premiership, and consistently missing the top 8

Just don't see how you can believe that there is this massive gulf in talent/ability/performance between teams 7-9. In the NRL there rarely is, and once again the ladder supported that this season. We're quite far back from being a top 4 team obviously but I don't see any massive difference between us and teams like the Eels or Broncos (might be a different story under Bennett)

 

[Rich102]

No finals in three years. Potential has to be realised and it isn't.

Our club's in trouble and we need changes to playing personnel and some management.

I think most people are on the same page here. The same squad next year (with Hoffman) is basically relying on Hoffman to get us into the eight and further.

That's putting too much pressure on one player. He's also a Storm player, they don't have good reputations when they move to the Warriors.

There's good analysis here on what needs to be done, but we're not making the actual decisions! I'd love to hear the talk around the board room table and office staff.

Price studied for an MBA degree. He's a tough ex-prop with business nous, who's committed himself and his family to a life in NZ. Can our club give him something? Or has he trodden on a few delicate toes?

I think he makes too much sense for the Warriors.

 

[ozbash]

next year will be interesting with Doyle in charge.
I hope there is a complete change of culture and (hopefully), senior personnel..

 

[JJ]

Just don't see how you can believe that there is this massive gulf in talent/ability/performance between teams 7-9. In the NRL there rarely is, and once again the ladder supported that this season. We're quite far back from being a top 4 team obviously but I don't see any massive difference between us and teams like the Eels or Broncos (might be a different story under Bennett)

You seriously think we're as good as Brisbane?

Without checking my guess would be they lost ground around origin time, we certainly made it up - but regardless, they get their full strength pack on the field, and we simply cannot handle them imo.

The Eels are a different story, but they regularly do well against us, and with Hayne they simply are a very dangerous outfit...

But yep, I see a significant step down to us from Brisbane - the correct teams are in the 8, I have no doubt about that - and the fact that we've been reliably missing quite a low bar, is evidence that we are a step down... as others (and I) have noted, in reality nothing has changed, poor start, strong middle (around rep season) and piss-weak end of season - with a few exceptions, that is the Warriors formula....

 

[JJ]

next year will be interesting with Doyle in charge.
I hope there is a complete change of culture and (hopefully), senior personnel..

There simply has to be... If we saw a change in personnel on and off field I'd be happy to miss the finals for a few more years if there was a clear plan (I don't see why they couldn't articulate that to fans) - beats the bullshit we're fed, and the fact that we've missed the finals in recent times anyway with no noticeable on or off field changes.

With that team, we'd be lucky to make the finals (it is possible given the traditional mid year rise), just need a stronger start I guess - but even if we made the finals, we simply cannot beat the likes of the Roosters, Souths, Manly, and perhaps others in high stakes games... It wasn't just the Roosters who showed us up, the Manly game was a worry as they barely got out of second gear and handled us, Souths were similar...

Anyway, hopefully their reviews are meaningful, and hopefully Doyle does take control - I certainly have no faith in Bell making big decisions, and McFadden is inexperienced, and needs better support and hopefully will learn from his mistakes.

As someone pointed out, why the hell isn't Steve Price involved somewhere?

 

[One Warrior]

We havent been top 8 for years because we dont have the talent. Our roster is significantly weaker than other teams

Very Good players

Tomkins - No6 lost as a NRL Fullback. Wear banana peels as boots.
Vatuvei - suffers dropsies and is our best metre eater forward playing on the wing
Hurrell - Most damaging player in the team. Also most unfit
Johnson - All the talent in the world, simply has not matured as a NRL half yet.
Matulino - Lost his fire, needs to be supported by better pack.

Dependable

Laumape - Overhyped for actual talent but has something that is just as valuable as talent which is heart and drive.
Mannering - Picked his game up a lot this year, no true gifts but solid across the board. Questionable leadership qualities.

After that our squad kind of bombs out when compare to the top 8 sides that have a lot of dynamic talent like the Panthers etc. Our next tier are questionable for being NRL quality


Potential Must Keep Stars - Long term

Lolohea - Very talented, very gifted, vision, agility, speed.
Kata - Dynamic and great ball passer, still very raw.
Abbey - Fantastic Line runner and has great vision. A future Josh Dugan Type talent wise
Lisone - Animal, high work rate, dynamic metre eater. Awesome Prospect.

Seriously Lion you don't rate Lillyman, as you don't list him and he has easily been our best prop all year. Clearly the Queensland Origin and Aussie selectors rate him more than you do.

 

[Fast Eddie]

You seriously think we're as good as Brisbane?

Without checking my guess would be they lost ground around origin time, we certainly made it up - but regardless, they get their full strength pack on the field, and we simply cannot handle them imo.

The Eels are a different story, but they regularly do well against us, and with Hayne they simply are a very dangerous outfit...

But yep, I see a significant step down to us from Brisbane - the correct teams are in the 8, I have no doubt about that - and the fact that we've been reliably missing quite a low bar, is evidence that we are a step down... as others (and I) have noted, in reality nothing has changed, poor start, strong middle (around rep season) and piss-weak end of season - with a few exceptions, that is the Warriors formula....

Yes.

In terms of lead up to Origin games where the Broncos would be missing 2-3 players players, they only have to deal with that once. Against the Tigers, which they won.

Games after they won against Manly, lost to us and lost in that (Golden Point?) game against Penrith. The game we beat them they had their full strength pack.

How a team can finish both on the same points, go 1-1 in the regular season at their respective home grounds and one be a significant class above I don't understand but I don't think we're gonna agree on that :lol: It's like saying the Roosters are completely in another class to Manly.


If anything when it comes to the Warriors and the Broncos you couldn't find almost two more evenly matched teams over the last two seasons in terms purely of results.