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Rich102

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Changes to the Warriors' playing group and off-field staff are expected once the club completes their end-of-season review process.

Players and staff from the football and operational departments are included in the annual review as the Warriors search to uncover the reasons behind their failed 2014 campaign.

Warriors general manager of football Dean Bell insists back-rower Feleti Mateo and centre Dane Nielsen remain part of the club's plans for 2015 but would not rule out the possibility that either or both players could be let go.

"They're under contract to us and at the moment nothing has changed. If something comes up we'd have a look at it but at the moment they're under contract," he said.

When asked if the club would be willing to allow the pair to explore offers from other clubs, Bell said any decision would involve the input of coach Andrew McFadden. "That's a conversation that I'd have to have with the head coach, and me and Cappy [McFadden] would have to decide what the best course of action was.

But again it's very hard to pre-empt what's going to happen."

Bolstering the squad with quality personnel remains a priority with numerous positions throughout the backline and forward pack warranting close attention.

Bell conceded the acquisition of an experienced midfielder like Manly centre Steve Matai could not be discounted, if he were to be granted a release from the Sea Eagles. Matai has repeatedly sought a release from the final year [2015] of his Manly contract and, although unsuccessful, recently knocked back a two-year extension offer for 2016-17 and declared his playing future remains up in the air.

"It's something we would look at. If he did [come on the market], it's a thought, but he's under contract and there's not much we can do about it," Bell said.

"As far as we're concerned we've been told that's the end of it and we've left it at that. But if he did, that would be a different matter I suppose. We'd have to explore that if it happened."

After blowing a golden opportunity to claim a top four spot and then missing the final eight altogether for a third straight year, changes are predicted to come in the wake of the review's findings.

"The players are in Wednesday right through until Friday going through a review process. That's with the coaching staff, our strength and conditioning staff, and our operational staff. We've just got to find the reasons why [missing the finals], and we'll have an extensive review over the next few weeks and we're expecting changes on and off the field as part of that process."

- NZ Herald

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11322249
 

vvvrulz

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Mostly sweet nothings said there

I don't think recruitment is the big problem, its only a part of it
Nothing should hide the fact that our current roster should be finishing 4-6 and not 9th

We're not premiership winning but we're definitely underachieving. Lets fix that first
 

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Disagree. I don't think our roster has the depth or forward talent to say we should finish 4-6 on paper. On paper we're not that good and reality is proving so.
 

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Disagree. I don't think our roster has the depth or forward talent to say we should finish 4-6 on paper. On paper we're not that good and reality is proving so.

This - I think we hugely overrate our talent tbh... or at least we look at 5 min bursts of brilliance, or batterings of inept opposition and come to the conclusion our squad has huge potential...

9-10 is about where we sit, and tbh I'd rate the Dragons, Eels and even Titans and Tigers on paper, as good as ours at least the equal of ours, and the top 8 all well clear of us
 

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and even Titans and Tigers on paper, as good as ours at least the equal of ours, and the top 8 all well clear of us

Lost me there... the Titans and the Tigers?
They're rubbish, we're well above that.

Don't really understand this talk about the top eight being well clear of us either.
No doubt we deserved to finish where we finished, but you don't end up one win shy of the finals if you are "well clear" of the top eight.

Our roster is capable of playing very good football and we showed that in patches.
Capable being the key word, there's obviously other issues that's hindering us mostly around attitude which means we miss the cut.

You could pencil three games or so where we were shocking, Eels Sharks and Roosters
Other than that we were usually not out of the contest

We have talent and we're not far off, definitely not the doom and gloom being spelt out here
 

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Lost me there... the Titans and the Tigers?
They're rubbish, we're well above that.

Don't really understand this talk about the top eight being well clear of us either.
No doubt we deserved to finish where we finished, but you don't end up one win shy of the finals if you are "well clear" of the top eight.

Our roster is capable of playing very good football and we showed that in patches.
Capable being the key word, there's obviously other issues that's hindering us mostly around attitude which means we miss the cut.

You could pencil three games or so where we were shocking, Eels Sharks and Roosters
Other than that we were usually not out of the contest

We have talent and we're not far off, definitely not the doom and gloom being spelt out here

The top 8 isn't clear of any team with a bit of injury/bounce of the ball luck. However, on the other side, we're definitely not clear enough of those other teams to say we should be 4-6, on paper or otherwise.

We have talent, but we don't have the necessary cogs around that talent to allow it to shine, especially in the forwards. I still expect us to be quite up and down next season.
 

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Lost me there... the Titans and the Tigers?
They're rubbish, we're well above that.

Tigers probably a stretch, but they do have some excellent talent...

But, I'm happy to argue that the Titans first string pack at the start of the season - something like
Bailey, Srama/Falloon, Myles, Taylor, Bird, Harrison - with the likes of Douglas, James, Minichello, White and others as back up is vastly superior to ours

Backline including Kelly, Seizer, Takarangi, Roberts, Mead, Gordon etc... is a bit like ours, potential without delivering

Yes, on paper they are better than us IMO,, and they were briefly at the top of the table... anyhow, laugh away Eddie, they have admin, coaching problems etc just like us....
 

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This - I think we hugely overrate our talent tbh... or at least we look at 5 min bursts of brilliance, or batterings of inept opposition and come to the conclusion our squad has huge potential...

9-10 is about where we sit, and tbh I'd rate the Dragons, Eels and even Titans and Tigers on paper, as good as ours at least the equal of ours, and the top 8 all well clear of us

Just... no.

Dragons - they have a very good roster. Moving Dugan to centre to fit Quinlan (possibly the NRL's least effective fullback.. certainly in the bottom 3 with Zillman & Barba) is a blatant misuse of talent, but considering they only had 1 NRL level half (and a bad coach) for the first part of the year plus an underperforming pack they are a genuinely good roster. I won't argue with you there.

Eels - they will likely get there in the next couple of years, but they just don't have a good roster now. Reliant almost entirely on Hayne's ridiculous output this year (15.29 runs/game, 188.67 metres/game, 12.34/metres/run, 0.95 trys/game, and a stupidly awesome 9.81 trys, linebreaks, assists, offloads or tackle breaks per game - the 'opportunity stat') and still failed to crack the 8. They will be better with Peats playing a full year, but no real incomings of note and a serious doubt over Hayne's ability to produce those sorts of numbers in consecutive seasons means that no, the Eels do not have a good team on paper.

Tigers - I said on another sports/league forum at the start of this year that the Tigers had a little hope... entirely reliant on their very injury prone young spine players staying fit and playing above their age. Surprise surprise, they didn't stay fit. Worse, it was the best of the young guns (who also happens to be the one with the worst injury record) that went down for the longest. The rest of the team is fairly good, but just not good enough to compensate. Damn the Tigers should be scary in 2-3 years time, though.

Titans - You're joking right? They've got big names in the pack (a mix of overrated, inconsistent or simply better rep performers than club footy players) and a couple of exciting young halves (neither of whom are at the level of Johnson), but without a fullback and centres they were always going to struggle.
 
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Yes, those teams all have problems, and so do we obviously... that's the level we sit at, to argue we're obviously a top 4-6 team doesn't make any sense to me, we're an 9-12 team, and funnily enough that's where we keep finishing
 

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to argue we're obviously a top 4-6 team doesn't make any sense to me, we're an 9-12 team, and funnily enough that's where we keep finishing

We're good enough to finish 4-6, our mid season form tells us that.
We are not finishing there because we are underachieving, not because we don't have the team to do it.

A true 9-12 team fails to challenge the top four and never looks like cracking the eight.
We do both things, but poor season starts and finishes kill us
 

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We're good enough to finish 4-6, our mid season form tells us that.
We are not finishing there because we are underachieving, not because we don't have the team to do it.

A true 9-12 team fails to challenge the top four and never looks like cracking the eight.
We do both things, but poor season starts and finishes kill us

As I said, Titans were top of the table for a bit...

Over the season, we just have not shown the ability to be there - our mid-season form is a regular thing - at present we belong firmly with the 9-12 teams imo
 

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I disagree. We have roster issues but not at the level of the Titans, Tigers or Eels (as in, we don't have massive holes in the squad, not reliant on 2-3 young injury prone players or reliant on one superstar having a stupidly good season). I'd put us around level with the Dragons - quite a good roster that started the year with quite a bad coach and because of that plus a couple of extra reasons underperformed this season.
 

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I disagree. We have roster issues but not at the level of the Titans, Tigers or Eels (as in, we don't have massive holes in the squad, not reliant on 2-3 young injury prone players or reliant on one superstar having a stupidly good season). I'd put us around level with the Dragons - quite a good roster that started the year with quite a bad coach and because of that plus a couple of extra reasons underperformed this season.

Don't disagree with that, although I do think our pack has massive holes for one reason or another, and neither Townsend or especially Lueluai look like the answer at 6

And the only thing that will stop Hayne having successive stupidly good seasons is injury, he's just insanely good, not sure I've ever seen anyone like him
 

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This - I think we hugely overrate our talent tbh... or at least we look at 5 min bursts of brilliance, or batterings of inept opposition and come to the conclusion our squad has huge potential...

9-10 is about where we sit, and tbh I'd rate the Dragons, Eels and even Titans and Tigers on paper, as good as ours at least the equal of ours, and the top 8 all well clear of us

I completely agree JJ. It's nice to read stuff from a realist and not a cheer leader. I'm not sure on the Tits and the Tiges, but you could well be right.

Even the Warriors "potential" is nowhere near where some folks on here think they are. I've said it before, but I think they are a long way away.
 

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I've spent the last week on a employer-requested leave break (apparently not taking holidays is frowned upon) and been really looking into the underlying figures around the NRL (particularly the spine + prop positions). I've adjusted my views on certain things - one is that yes, the Warriors need 2, maybe 3 forwards (Hoffman is one, now a central forward if not another for overkill... gee Watmough would be nice, but even Masoe would fit the bill. Both would be gravy). Same could be said for the Dragons of course.

As for the #6 jersey, I think either we stick with the Chad (who is very promising) or move Tomkins (something I was not for originally, and still not entirely happy about but it's probably for the best), given that just like Matt Moylan and Michael Morgan (incidentally that's where you can expect him to line up next year for the Cowboys, 1-Coote/6-Morgan/7-Thurston) he profiles like a top class #6... his numbers are very exciting here (this option is only on the table if Josh Hoffman were to sign, as the #1 is not easily filled).

I really like TL, but he should be playing in the dummy half rotation and only used as a half in emergencies. He actually profiles like a good hooker - passing, running and defending are his better qualities... kicking and directly creating opportunities not so much.

EDIT: To boil it down.. if we were to make the moves suggested (Matai, Watmough, J.Hoffman, Masoe and to a lesser extent Thornley in, Nielsen, Mateo, Bukuya & fringers out) I would suggest the roster is verging on top 4 quality. Hopefully Cappy proves himself a decent enough coach!
 
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JJ

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I've spent the last week on a employer-requested leave break (apparently not taking holidays is frowned upon) and been really looking into the underlying figures around the NRL (particularly the spine + prop positions). I've adjusted my views on certain things - one is that yes, the Warriors need 2, maybe 3 forwards (Hoffman is one, now a central forward if not another for overkill... gee Watmough would be nice, but even Masoe would fit the bill. Both would be gravy). Same could be said for the Dragons of course.

As for the #6 jersey, I think either we stick with the Chad (who is very promising) or move Tomkins (something I was not for originally, and still not entirely happy about but it's probably for the best), given that just like Matt Moylan and Michael Morgan (incidentally that's where you can expect him to line up next year for the Cowboys, 1-Coote/6-Morgan/7-Thurston) he profiles like a top class #6... his numbers are very exciting here (this option is only on the table if Josh Hoffman were to sign, as the #1 is not easily filled).

I really like TL, but he should be playing in the dummy half rotation and only used as a half in emergencies. He actually profiles like a good hooker - passing, running and defending are his better qualities... kicking and directly creating opportunities not so much.

EDIT: To boil it down.. if we were to make the moves suggested (Matai, Watmough, J.Hoffman, Masoe and to a lesser extent Thornley in, Nielsen, Mateo, Bukuya & fringers out) I would suggest the roster is top 4 quality. Hopefully Cappy proves himself a decent enough coach!

I hated the dropping of Chad, just made no sense to me.

Not sure what to make of the "suggested moves", will take them seriously when there's evidence - but agree with what you're saying, which is a more eloquent/less emotive version of what I am saying
 

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