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props for 2011

Taniwha

Juniors
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just wondering what your thoughts are on our front row department for next year. We got Rapira, Packer, Latimore, Lillyman, Matulino and Poaching on our books and a few good u20's coming thru in Ioane, Areai'iti and Gubb but to me we look one short on experience and first grade resilience. Considering Matulino and Lillyman are makeshift back rowers (although they have been playing well up front), and Poaching and Latimore are fringe players at best, im not entirely convinced we have the quality in depth.

Matt White seemed like a good prospect but he's signed on with the Titans and i was excited to hear we were chasing Josh Graham but things seem to have stalled there too. Personally i wulda thrown something at Sika Manu but im just worried if we were to lose Rapira and/or Packer for a lengthy time i dont think we'll quite have the strength in back up to cover for them. I'd hate to see the team go so well then fall short because we're lacking quality and experience in our engine room.

Just my thoughts what do u guys think?
 
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I agree. The club is desperately looking for a decent experienced prop, no success so far. In an interview after Price's farewell dinner, he said that's the only recruitment we still need for next season, but we really need it.
 

ozreece77

Juniors
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Parramattas props this season:
MoiMoi, Cayless, Poore, Mannah.
2 kiwi internationals, 2 NSW SOO props.
hmm...
 

Taniwha

Juniors
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/4096862/Warriors-bank-on-NZ-talent


Warriors bank on NZ talent


The biggest item in Dean Bell's modest office at Mt Smart stadium is a substantial whiteboard screwed to the wall, which bears 90-odd names – the players contracted to the Warriors.

It's a constant reminder for the club's recruitment and football manager of his ultimate aim: long-term planning for a club which has sometimes stood accused of living too much in the present.

On the left are the 31 contracted first-graders. In the centre, the under-20 squad. On the right, 20 signed-on development players – the youngest of those just 14 years old. There's even another group who have trained at the club, but aren't paid.

There's a fuss been made of how few Australians are in this Warriors team – just four last weekend – but it's not just their nationality, but who produced the players that matters most to the club, who are backing themselves to unearth up to three first-graders a year from their own system. They couldn't cope with any more.

They also reckon with more prudent forethought, they can slash the costs which come with cutting players mid-contract. While Nathan Fien took a paycut to leave the club early for the Dragons to get some first-grade play, most NRL clubs agree to keep paying some of their players' wages when they offload them early to other clubs. In the past two years, for example, the Warriors have offloaded Fien, Grant Rovelli, Michael Witt and Wade McKinnon early in long-term contracts.

"It's not an exact science," says Bell, citing form, injuries and changing team dynamics as uncontrollable factors. "I have worked that one out, but it is all about making the right decisions from the start – but you're never going to get it 100 per cent right all of the time. Sometimes, there is the simple fact that there is a better option: hopefully, in the future it will be some of our young players. One of the big things is making sure our succession planning is in place so we sign guys at the right time, extend at the right time, and at the right money too – that's really important."

Bell can predict eight years ahead who should be playing in what position for the Warriors, but says one of the biggest intangibles is knowing which promising young players translate that ability at NRL level.

That forward planning explains the real surprise: while the club is "very healthy" on its salary cap next season and has lots of room to manouevre, it has no specific recruitment targets in mind. The Warriors showed no interest in Kiwis' backrowers Greg Eastwood, Frank Pritchard and Jeremy Smith when each came on the market. "We got backrowers coming out of ears and some good young ones coming through," explains Bell. "We don't need anyone [there] at the moment ... you don't buy a player for the sake of it, do you? You buy them because that's what your needs are. We are pretty happy with the squad we've got at the moment. Not pretty happy – we're very happy. We are in a good position financially – we've not got millions in the bank, but we are in a good position if a quality player becomes available and fits our needs – we would be ready. But we are certainly not desperate to go out and sign someone."

Likewise, they don't want a hooker to replace the departing Ian Henderson – rookie Alehana Mara is doing well enough, and Bell says these days having two frontline hookers is a luxury. They thought they wanted a prop, but now Ben Matulino is doing so well in the frontrow, they're no longer worried.

And while they wanted a centre, if there isn't a quality one willing to cross the Tasman, they won't be buying. The days of buying-in Australians with the intention they would be dependable, but unspectacular back-ups (think Aidan Kirk or Michael Crockett) are gone.

"We would rather give that money to our up-and-coming young players," says Bell. "It's our aim in future not to have to go to the market too often: we will produce our own. It's obviously much more cost-effective, and it's what we want: we want as many young Kiwi players as possible." The next challenge, he says, is the next tier down – the kids who haven't even made it on to the whiteboard yet. "We get them very raw," offers Bell. That's not strictly the Warriors' job, but the NZRL's, but he is heartened by what he sees these days on the other side of Beasley Avenue.

After that, his other task is explaining why not every decent kid can play first grade in Auckland.

"Not all of them can play for us. But if they can play for someone else [and be successful] or they had a positive experience being here, we've done our jobs."


Good news most of it bar this. I have no doubt in Matulino's talent and rate him highly but we still need an experienced 1st grade prop
 

playdaball

Bench
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Or does this mean ...

We've tried to get a few props but no one will come over i.e. Blair, Thompson, Graham etc
 

ozbash

Referee
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we havnt done too badly this season with no "big names"

I like the developement of our young talent, its a win-win situation..
 

Shaun Hewitt

First Grade
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We've done well this season up front and only losing Price(hasnt played a game this season) i dont see the need to recruit
 
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Yeah big ben is our prob, he maybe a makeshift one however I see (like many) that he has the goods to become a great prop. plus rapira (steve) can bulk up and be a prop i'm sure 2 rapiras would be interesting too. no need for panic recruiting plus we got royal as a back up low costing signing. Exciting times ahead for us indeed
 

Rich102

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Yeah big ben is our prob, he maybe a makeshift one however I see (like many) that he has the goods to become a great prop. plus rapira (steve) can bulk up and be a prop i'm sure 2 rapiras would be interesting too. no need for panic recruiting plus we got royal as a back up low costing signing. Exciting times ahead for us indeed

We haven't resigned Royal, have we?
 

blain

Juniors
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Hes going back to the Newcastle mines. Dont blame him, his wife is back over there, plus he'll get paid more (apparently). We wont be signing him
 

Iafeta

Referee
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Don't know about an U20 stepping up. The best of them, Mark Ioane, is off to Canberra. I'm gutted about that, Ioane is an epic talent.
 

Rich102

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Don't know about an U20 stepping up. The best of them, Mark Ioane, is off to Canberra. I'm gutted about that, Ioane is an epic talent.

Bugger! I had high hopes for him in a Warrior's jersey.
 
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