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Put up or shut up, ASADA 2

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Feej

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Week 70 and yes ASADA has nothing still, they are mucking around on the Essendon front and will be lucky to see one Essendon player suspended as court action can delay any enforcement of notices to 2016 at earliest

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Card Shark

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From what I gather is that the Essendon players signed a letter of consent with the club to let them use the thingies by way of injection.

I think that that is where a lot of the difference is.

FURTHER.... If me memory serves me correctly there was one player that refused to sign it because he thought it was wrong

If they signed a letter of consent, they can expect no leniency for "not knowing" what they were taking.
 

eddiesmith

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Careful what you wish for!
I still maintain the cases are totally different

Essendons was a much more involved program that appears to have clearly broken the rules and really the players playing dumb is not a viable defence. Plus it was a full year long program run by club and all the key players in the club clearly had a hand in it

Ours seems a lot more murky and unsure what really happened other than it was over quite quickly.
 

millersnose

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If they signed a letter of consent, they can expect no leniency for "not knowing" what they were taking.
on the contrary it all depends what the letter stated - if the letter implied it was all checked and legal then they are in a safer legal position than say the bunch of guys whose doctor said 'what the f**k is going on?'
 

millersnose

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Ben fordam ripping some ASSADA dude a new one on ch 9.
It's a massacre .

He might not be ASSADA
Same dude that was on abc.

legally many of those questions cannot be possibly answered at this stage

he handled it as proffesionally as can be expected
 

blacktip-reefy

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Above all, there is no ruling on which thymosin beta 4 was used or which is banned.
Once it is is in the federal court ASADA will have to prove through clinical trials that it(TB4) improves sporting performance. If it can't, it doesnt satisy WADA's own code.
 

carcharias

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legally many of those questions cannot be possibly answered at this stage

he handled it as proffesionally as can be expected


I disagree .
He got slammed. He looked like a complete joke.

Oh........and why the f**k is the boss of ASADA doing live TV interviews?

If he is not allowed to divulge the only information that people are interested in..then why did he f**king bother?

unprofessional is what it was.
 

millersnose

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i thought he did a good job of explaining why information cannot be released

is there something specific he didnt answer you thaought he should have?
 

blacktip-reefy

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Exactly Carch. He was also on sunrise. Im here to do an interview, but I cant answer any real questions.
eg. Which forms of Thymosin are banned?
Instead he says the charges are clear & absolute.
Ok what charges? "I cant answer that".
Ok so what did they use? "they used Thymosin beta 4"

What a fuccjkken self promoting dick-knuckle.
 

blacktip-reefy

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He also stated that Thymosin beta 4 is extremely dangerous to human health.
This is also incorrect & is currently going through many human clinical trials with great success in repairing damaged cardiac muscles etc.
So again, idiot.
 

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SMH said:
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Sharks players await a Dragons conversion at WIN Stadium during their heavy loss last weekend. The club is set to receive another setback with the ASADA investigation getting closer to its conclusion. Photo: Getty Images


1. Have any players from Cronulla or other NRL clubs received show cause notices from ASADA?
Not at this stage but a decision on the fate of 17 players from the Sharks 2011 squad, including five current members and others at rival NRL clubs, is believed to be imminent. ASADA boss Ben McDevitt told Channel Seven that no show cause notices had been yet prepared for Cronulla players, saying: "The NRL circumstances are entirely different to what we are dealing with in the AFL and I really can't go any further at this stage". However, the players have not been cleared either and it is believed McDevitt has been focused on the cases of the 34 Essendon players first.

2. What are the allegations against the Sharks?
A report commissioned by the Sharks early last year contained allegations that players had been given the banned peptides CJC-1295 and GHRP-6 during the 2011 season. However, players have denied knowingly having taken any illegal substance. An NRL investigation found that the club, coach Shane Flanagan and then trainer Trent Elkin were guilty of governance issues and had jeopardised the health and welfare of players. But the NRL was unable to sufficiently identify what substances had been administered as there were no records. Flanagan was suspended for 12 months, Elkin had his registration as an NRL trainer cancelled for two years and the Sharks were fined $1 million, of which $400,000 was suspended. Up to three former players are taking legal action against the club.

3. When will a decision be made about NRL players?Former High Court judge Garry Downes was appointed to review the evidence gathered by ASADA during the lengthy investigation into alleged doping in the AFL and NRL. He advised ASADA to proceed with action against 34 Essendon players and after his findings were considered by McDevitt the show-cause notices were issued on Thursday. McDevitt has not looked into the cases of other Essendon players who Downes did not believe had committed a doping violation. McDevitt is now expected to turn his attention yet to the NRL and a decision on whether to issue show cause notices may be made before the end of the month.

4. What happens when a player receives a show-cause notice?
Players have 10 days to respond to the formal allegations and any submission provided by them will be forwarded along with evidence from the ASADA investigation to the independent Anti-Doping Rule Violation Panel to determine if they should be charged. The ADRVP will then advise the NRL whether to issue an infraction notice requiring the player to face a hearing of the code's anti-doping tribunal. Any player receiving an infraction notice.

5. Who decides what penalty is imposed on a player?
The NRL and AFL are bound by the World Anti-Doping Authority code, which requires a minimum ban of two years for the use of performance enhancing drugs. Former Canberra and Penrith winger Sandor Earl, who is due to appear before the NRL anti-doping tribunal later this month, faces a four-year ban after also being charged with trafficking banned substances. Players can seek a discount of up to 75 per cent for substantial assistance but would have to provide information that leads to another player or person being convicted of a doping violation. If the NRL or AFL impose lesser penalties, WADA can appeal.

6. Can a player argue they inadvertently took a banned substance?
There is a "no significant fault" clause in the WADA code but players are only entitled to a 50 per cent discount of the two-year ban if they are successful in convincing the NRL anti-doping tribunal that they did not know they had been administered with a performance enhancing drug. However, claiming they had been told the substance was legal to take is not considered a satisfactory defence as individuals are responsible for any product that goes into their body under WADA and ASADA regulations.
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blacktip-reefy

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Dank claims that he never injected PLAYERS with TB4 or used any banned substances.
So it appears that because Hird & the coaching staff were using TB4, the players have been threaded together, despite records showing it was never used.
Dank says lets go to court, lets see your evidence.
 

carcharias

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i thought he did a good job of explaining why information cannot be released

is there something specific he didnt answer you thaought he should have?

Good job?

A simple one paragraph press release stating that could have done the exact same thing.
But he instead went on 3 different TV shows to say nothing.

He did shithouse job in fact.

He was asked a specific question regarding time frames for infractions in which he couldn't answer....not wouldn't...just couldn't...he looked f**king clueless.


What other question do you think he should have been asked?
 
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5. Who decides what penalty is imposed on a player?
The NRL and AFL are bound by the World Anti-Doping Authority code, which requires a minimum ban of two years for the use of performance enhancing drugs. Former Canberra and Penrith winger Sandor Earl, who is due to appear before the NRL anti-doping tribunal later this month, faces a four-year ban after also being charged with trafficking banned substances. Players can seek a discount of up to 75 per cent for substantial assistance but would have to provide information that leads to another player or person being convicted of a doping violation. If the NRL or AFL impose lesser penalties, WADA can appeal.

Hypothetically So Essendon no chance of winning the flag this years, the players decide to seek discount that lodge at same time stating that another player was on the gear, they then get 75% discount, 6 months suspension and all return for 2015.

Another way around this if you want it to go away is that they put in another player a player that has retired and they get around system this way.

Loopholes galore here
 

eddiesmith

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Dank claims that he never injected PLAYERS with TB4 or used any banned substances.
So it appears that because Hird & the coaching staff were using TB4, the players have been threaded together, despite records showing it was never used.
Dank says lets go to court, lets see your evidence.
Except they probably look at the large number he ordered plus the records they do have of number of injections and it fits into the usual schedule for use of TB4

That's what they are basing it on, the players have said how often they would get injected and they out 2 + 2 together to come up with show cause notices
 
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