Question on Peter V'landys

[betcats]

These however become circular reasons to not have a Perth team. WA juniors/development will always be garbage without a team generating support.

Yeah but how much support is the team going to generate if they are getting flogged every week? Its going to be hard to field a competitive team. They would have to build a roster from scratch, convincing guys to move a 6 hour flight away. A club like the gold coast can at least rely a large junior pool, WA wont have that. They will be at a disadvantage straight away.

I'm not saying these are reasons to never put a team there. But the game has to be in a strong position to take that risk.

 

[Perth Red]

Yeah but how much support is the team going to generate if they are getting flogged every week? Its going to be hard to field a competitive team. They would have to build a roster from scratch, convincing guys to move a 6 hour flight away. A club like the gold coast can at least rely a large junior pool, WA wont have that. They will be at a disadvantage straight away.

It will be tougher, of that there is no doubt, but as Melbourne has shown its possible. A well run club that is attractive to players with a decent coach, training facilities etc is what will make or break it. Perth sells itself as a place to live, its stunning and easy to live here, all the advantages of a big city but without the hassles. Players who moved over for the Reds still speak very fondly of their time here and people like Matt Fuller never left.

Said it before but for a team to be successful here it needs a 5-6 year plan, investment and out of the box thinking. I'd be raiding the SL best U'20's and setting up an under 20's team first, setting up a Pirates academy in PNG with scholarships to train and study in Perth for the best kids in PNG to join the SG ball and U20's sides, launch a reserve grade side in NSW cup two years before NRL admission, do what the Reds did and bring across a couple of dozen good young players to play in NSW cup side and in NRLWA. Perth needs a strategy and some decent money to get its foundations ready so we dont spend 5 or 6 years struggling from beginning. Off the field getting a really good CEO and management team will be crucial, corproate support will be tough but there is no better vehicle for WA comapnies that want to advertise into NSW and Qland, and owenrship structure, we have 3 multi-millionaires wanting in so lets put together an ownership structure that gives financial security but doesnt lose the connection with grass roots.
Govt support, up until Vlandys the curent WA Govt was hugely supportive of RL. NRL should be lobbying Govt for a new HQ for NRLWA and the Pirates and upgrade to the corporate stand at HBF Park a spart of the agreement for a Perth team.
Finally engaging the fans. When we joined Bundy cup we had over 2000 turning up to NIB to watch! I started a supporters group for the Reds bid and had 3,000 signed up in first few months. Fans are there so this will be the easier part.

Ideally the NRL should have part ownership of any new expansion side with an exit strategy within 5 years as they get confidence the club is on a strong footing.

 

[Perth Tiger]

It will be tougher, of that there is no doubt, but as Melbourne has shown its possible. A well run club that is attractive to players with a decent coach, training facilities etc is what will make or break it. Perth sells itself as a place to live, its stunning and easy to live here, all the advantages of a big city but without the hassles. Players who moved over for the Reds still speak very fondly of their time here and people like Matt Fuller never left.

Said it before but for a team to be successful here it needs a 5-6 year plan, investment and out of the box thinking. I'd be raiding the SL best U'20's and setting up an under 20's team first, setting up a Pirates academy in PNG with scholarships to train and study in Perth for the best kids in PNG to join the SG ball and U20's sides, launch a reserve grade side in NSW cup two years before NRL admission, do what the Reds did and bring across a couple of dozen good young players to play in NSW cup side and in NRLWA. Perth needs a strategy and some decent money to get its foundations ready so we dont spend 5 or 6 years struggling from beginning. Off the field getting a really good CEO and management team will be crucial, corproate support will be tough but there is no better vehicle for WA comapnies that want to advertise into NSW and Qland, and owenrship structure, we have 3 multi-millionaires wanting in so lets put together an ownership structure that gives financial security but doesnt lose the connection with grass roots.
Govt support, up until Vlandys the curent WA Govt was hugely supportive of RL. NRL should be lobbying Govt for a new HQ for NRLWA and the Pirates and upgrade to the corporate stand at HBF Park a spart of the agreement for a Perth team.
Finally engaging the fans. When we joined Bundy cup we had over 2000 turning up to NIB to watch! I started a supporters group for the Reds bid and had 3,000 signed up in first few months. Fans are there so this will be the easier part.

Ideally the NRL should have part ownership of any new expansion side with an exit strategy within 5 years as they get confidence the club is on a strong footing.

I'd go further and try and form a partnership with one of the UK sides, the biggest you can get to agree and work with schools/uni etc to set up some form of scholarship program so that you can bring 3-6 of the best 17/18 yo juniors from say Leeds out etc year.

It may be costly but everyone would benefit. Perth expands its development squad and potential first graders, probably 1 or 2 out of each group. Player can at least get schooling or a trade and spend 3 years in the best RL development comps in the world and the UK club gets a steady supply of players returning who have learned from in a stronger development comp than available in the UK.

 

[Bring back John Fifita]

Now your'e talking.The Adelaide Pirates.

Yes!

However if they weren't the Rams, I'd prefer the Adelaide Free-Staters..

Convict-Free since 1788 (or more appropriately since the dawn of time).
And Covid-Free since last month. (We would have been Covid-free since April however we chalked up one when a person flew in from..... Victoria!).

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

The stadium had open days for people to come in to have a look before any games were played. If people were so keen to see the stadium but supposedly didn't care about RL they had plenty of chance to see the stadium before the double header. To suggest people only came to see RL (and get price gouged on the tickets) just to see the stadium is ridiculous

Then that means there are at least 30,000-34,000 casual RL fans who will show up for big occasions and when it is sunny rosy, plus 6,000-10,000 diehards who will come rain, hail or shine and not turn their back on their team if it is down the ladder. It's the diehard supporters that keep a club afloat during the hard times.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

It will be tougher, of that there is no doubt, but as Melbourne has shown its possible. A well run club that is attractive to players with a decent coach, training facilities etc is what will make or break it. Perth sells itself as a place to live, its stunning and easy to live here, all the advantages of a big city but without the hassles. Players who moved over for the Reds still speak very fondly of their time here and people like Matt Fuller never left.

Said it before but for a team to be successful here it needs a 5-6 year plan, investment and out of the box thinking. I'd be raiding the SL best U'20's and setting up an under 20's team first, setting up a Pirates academy in PNG with scholarships to train and study in Perth for the best kids in PNG to join the SG ball and U20's sides, launch a reserve grade side in NSW cup two years before NRL admission, do what the Reds did and bring across a couple of dozen good young players to play in NSW cup side and in NRLWA. Perth needs a strategy and some decent money to get its foundations ready so we dont spend 5 or 6 years struggling from beginning. Off the field getting a really good CEO and management team will be crucial, corproate support will be tough but there is no better vehicle for WA comapnies that want to advertise into NSW and Qland, and owenrship structure, we have 3 multi-millionaires wanting in so lets put together an ownership structure that gives financial security but doesnt lose the connection with grass roots.
Govt support, up until Vlandys the curent WA Govt was hugely supportive of RL. NRL should be lobbying Govt for a new HQ for NRLWA and the Pirates and upgrade to the corporate stand at HBF Park a spart of the agreement for a Perth team.
Finally engaging the fans. When we joined Bundy cup we had over 2000 turning up to NIB to watch! I started a supporters group for the Reds bid and had 3,000 signed up in first few months. Fans are there so this will be the easier part.

Ideally the NRL should have part ownership of any new expansion side with an exit strategy within 5 years as they get confidence the club is on a strong footing.

That's a lot of conditions that need to be met to guarantee viability. If just one or two of those conditions isn't met the whole thing falls over. The NRL will want something more solid.

Maybe a national reserve grade featuring Perth, Adelaide, all the regional areas from Queensland and NSW that are unrepresented in the NRL and BRL/NSWRL clubs that wish to push their case for admission into the NRL. More co te t for Foxtel, a better pathway than QLD/NSW Cup and less expense for teams in Perth and Adelaide compared to running an NRL outfit. It will give the Perth and Adelaide public 10 to 15 years to build a connection with the team.

 

[Perth Red]

Then that means there are at least 30,000-34,000 casual RL fans who will show up for big occasions and when it is sunny rosy, plus 6,000-10,000 diehards who will come rain, hail or shine and not turn their back on their team if it is down the ladder. It's the diehard supporters that keep a club afloat during the hard times.

Sounds pretty much like most other NRL clubs to me!

 

[Perth Red]

That's a lot of conditions that need to be met to guarantee viability. If just one or two of those conditions isn't met the whole thing falls over. The NRL will want something more solid.

Maybe a national reserve grade featuring Perth, Adelaide, all the regional areas from Queensland and NSW that are unrepresented in the NRL and BRL/NSWRL clubs that wish to push their case for admission into the NRL. More co te t for Foxtel, a better pathway than QLD/NSW Cup and less expense for teams in Perth and Adelaide compared to running an NRL outfit. It will give the Perth and Adelaide public 10 to 15 years to build a connection with the team.

There is no guarantees in life, that is just the strategy I believe that would give any expansion club in WA the best chance of success. If the NRL haven't learnt from the Titans then they never will. Just giving an expansion license to someone and saying "go for it" is a recipe for disaster, heartland or expansion state. AFL understand this and is why they have a variable grant scheme. Why we are so socialist and think everyone is equal and should get the same is beyond me. The reality is clubs are all different and no matter how well run some will always be bigger than others or some will face different challenges.

There's not enough money to fund it in states without pokie dens. Second tier in NSW and Qland is funded from pokie clubs. If there were no LC's you'd have no prof second grade over there. It costs around $3mil a year and there just isnt the corporate or fan support to generate that sort of revenue and unlikely NRL will fully fund it.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

There is no guarantees in life, that is just the strategy I believe that would give any expansion club in WA the best chance of success. If the NRL haven't learnt from the Titans then they never will. Just giving an expansion license to someone and saying "go for it" is a recipe for disaster, heartland or expansion state. AFL understand this and is why they have a variable grant scheme. Why we are so socialist and think everyone is equal and should get the same is beyond me. The reality is clubs are all different and no matter how well run some will always be bigger than others or some will face different challenges.

There's not enough money to fund it in states without pokie dens. Second tier in NSW and Qland is funded from pokie clubs. If there were no LC's you'd have no prof second grade over there. It costs around $3mil a year and there just isnt the corporate or fan support to generate that sort of revenue and unlikely NRL will fully fund it.

Surely Tony Sage and Peter Cumins could spend $3 million a season on a nationam reserve grade team if they're fair dinkum. Add teams from PNG and NZ and it becomes a more visible competiton for sponsors.

 

[Frailty]

If News Ltd didn't want them then I think that says all we need to know about the chances of Adelaide and Perth getting a team in the future. They would have crunched the numbers and seen that cost-benefit factor of keeping them was not in their interest, so they cut them loose. They would have known just how many people subscribed to them in these cities, during a time when Foxtel had no AwFuL coverage.

It makes sense, I mean in 1997 Foxtel had a mammoth 1M subscribers. Want to guess where these subscribers were? They weren't in Perth or Adelaide.

The fact is that Perth is a good opportunity to enter a new market, had strong state government support, create a valuable new timeslot, engage disenfranchised Rugby market, and feed on a large English community there.

 

[Frailty]

Surely Tony Sage and Peter Cumins could spend $3 million a season on a nationam reserve grade team if they're fair dinkum. Add teams from PNG and NZ and it becomes a more visible competiton for sponsors.

They would be absolute awful business people if they were to essentially through $3M down the drain for no return on investment. Unless the reserve grade competition receives the significantly more TV time and coverage, you will not have sponsors flying in.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

It makes sense, I mean in 1997 Foxtel had a mammoth 1M subscribers. Want to guess where these subscribers were? They weren't in Perth or Adelaide.

The fact is that Perth is a good opportunity to enter a new market, had strong state government support, create a valuable new timeslot, engage disenfranchised Rugby market, and feed on a large English community there.

RU has a larger following in Perth but it wasn't enough to save the Western Force. If you're an RL or RU fan in Perth odds are you've got Foxtel to watch the game.

 

[LeagueXIII]

I know country Rugby League players than moved to WA to play for clubs over there on the promise of jobs.

I think Dave Brown, former Australian prop was one of the players recruited.

 

[franklin2323]

Yeah but how much support is the team going to generate if they are getting flogged every week? Its going to be hard to field a competitive team. They would have to build a roster from scratch, convincing guys to move a 6 hour flight away. A club like the gold coast can at least rely a large junior pool, WA wont have that. They will be at a disadvantage straight away.

I'm not saying these are reasons to never put a team there. But the game has to be in a strong position to take that risk.

Even the Storm developed guys. How many actual stars have they signed? I’d link up with a QLD Cup team or the Fiji team to start building that up

 

[franklin2323]

It will be tougher, of that there is no doubt, but as Melbourne has shown its possible. A well run club that is attractive to players with a decent coach, training facilities etc is what will make or break it. Perth sells itself as a place to live, its stunning and easy to live here, all the advantages of a big city but without the hassles. Players who moved over for the Reds still speak very fondly of their time here and people like Matt Fuller never left.

Said it before but for a team to be successful here it needs a 5-6 year plan, investment and out of the box thinking. I'd be raiding the SL best U'20's and setting up an under 20's team first, setting up a Pirates academy in PNG with scholarships to train and study in Perth for the best kids in PNG to join the SG ball and U20's sides, launch a reserve grade side in NSW cup two years before NRL admission, do what the Reds did and bring across a couple of dozen good young players to play in NSW cup side and in NRLWA. Perth needs a strategy and some decent money to get its foundations ready so we dont spend 5 or 6 years struggling from beginning. Off the field getting a really good CEO and management team will be crucial, corproate support will be tough but there is no better vehicle for WA comapnies that want to advertise into NSW and Qland, and owenrship structure, we have 3 multi-millionaires wanting in so lets put together an ownership structure that gives financial security but doesnt lose the connection with grass roots.
Govt support, up until Vlandys the curent WA Govt was hugely supportive of RL. NRL should be lobbying Govt for a new HQ for NRLWA and the Pirates and upgrade to the corporate stand at HBF Park a spart of the agreement for a Perth team.
Finally engaging the fans. When we joined Bundy cup we had over 2000 turning up to NIB to watch! I started a supporters group for the Reds bid and had 3,000 signed up in first few months. Fans are there so this will be the easier part.

Ideally the NRL should have part ownership of any new expansion side with an exit strategy within 5 years as they get confidence the club is on a strong footing.

What star player have Storm ever signed? Linking up with QLD Cup teams has given them Smith, Slater etc

 

[franklin2323]

You mean like they were in the middle of planning:
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/nr...ooted-within-three-years-20180131-h0ra81.html

Wonder what happens when the ARLC Chairman says they have no interest. If you're responsible for managing a budget, and you have a firm 'no interest' from a potential market, are you going to continue with an investment?

Despite this, you know if's possible to develop an affiliation with an existing NSW or QLD Cup team?

Warriors just went with Redcliffe in QLD Cup. Storm have links with 2 benefits both sides.

 

[Perth Red]

Surely Tony Sage and Peter Cumins could spend $3 million a season on a nationam reserve grade team if they're fair dinkum. Add teams from PNG and NZ and it becomes a more visible competiton for sponsors.

Why would they unless there is a clear timeline for a guaranteed NRL team? Its flushing money down the drain. Cumins funded the JB/Bundy cup Reds for a few a coupe of years until the NRL told us to stop wasting our time. Why did the Bears stop spending money on the CC or the guy stop funding RL in CQ? Unless there is a clear point to investing the money then it would be foolish to expect benevolent millionaires to waste their money (unless your Twiggy Forest lol)

 

[Perth Red]

RU has a larger following in Perth but it wasn't enough to save the Western Force. If you're an RL or RU fan in Perth odds are you've got Foxtel to watch the game.

Twiggy Forest offering to totally fund the team and give the ARU $60mill to spend on Jnrs wasnt enough to save them lol. Just another disastrous decision by the clowns at ARU.

What star player have Storm ever signed? Linking up with QLD Cup teams has given them Smith, Slater etc

Yeh that's my point, we dont need to go out and entice a team of stars West as long as we have opportunities to pick up good youngsters and a system that turns them into stars. SL, PNG and Union are great sources for that for us potentially that doesn't dilute the other NRL clubs talent. Weve also got soem decent kids here as well that with better systems will come through to first grade. We will have a lot more WA players than Storm has had Vic players thats for sure.

 

[Perth Red]

‘Turtling’ is a strategy used in war that requires ‘heavy defense, with little or no offence’. According to the old Google machine, ‘turtling’ is the “continuous reinforcement of the military front until it has reached its full strength, then an attack with the now-superior force”.

This can be the only explanation for Lord Peter V’landys of Kythira going on Channel Nine the other night and being so adamant that Brisbane will have their second, and the NRL’s 17th club.
Fortify what you have.
Unleash hell… later… we guess?
For this writer, a second team plonked down in the middle of Brisbane makes little sense. Those fans not aligned to the Broncos already have an NRL club they support.
Some of these people are second and third generation Dragons, Rabbitohs or Bulldogs supporters and so on.
Are they just going to burn all their jerseys and start going for the new Brisbane side?
Come on.
And if they do, how does that bring NEW fans to the game?
“We don’t want to cannibalise them [Broncos and Titans] at all. So, there’s a long way to go because it needs to really stack up commercially,” V’landys continued.

“I like the fact that players can get a bye. That helps their mental well-being, they can always look forward to having that weekend off during the year, so there’s that benefit.”
A bye?
How does that help the game financially?
Why aren’t we talking 18 teams and reducing the amount of fixtures… that looks after “well-being” too.
Extra game every weekend, anybody?
TV money?

If V’landys wants to keep the code in NSW and QLD where people “love the game” than what are we saying to those people that went to Perth Stadium last year to watch Origin?
What about those in Adelaide that have bought tickets for the match this year?
Or the kids playing in the strong WA junior league or the West Coast Pirates?
Rugby league will never be strong in any market it doesn’t have a crack at.
Didn’t the boss of the GWS Giants once say that they didn’t want to take over Sydney but they just wanted their market share?
Why wouldn’t V’landys want to tap into the Perth market which so obviously is willing to open itself – ever so slightly – to rugby or rugby league or whatever they want to call it?
We might as well put a bullet in the Melbourne Storm right now too.
After all, not everyone in Melbourne loves rugby league.
Not really a big nursery either is it?

Brisbane is the Broncos.
The Broncos are Brisbane.
That’s the winter market up there.
The Brisbane Broncos.
Put a team in Ipswich or forget about it.

V’landys has a lot of admirers but his opinion on expansion is dim and amateurish at best.
If this is some kind of war strategy, rugby league is already just like a turtle on its back.

http://the81stminute.com/2020/06/un...-vlandys-of-kythira-has-absolutely-zero-idea/

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Even the Storm developed guys. How many actual stars have they signed? I’d link up with a QLD Cup team or the Fiji team to start building that up

They sent a few scouts into Queensland, paid for by News Ltd and the NRL, to poach juniors with the most potential, weakening the Queensland clubs and denying families from seeing their sons, brothers and nephews play every fortnight.