Question on Peter V'landys

[taipan]

All comps got back up and running, so we did it a couple of weeks earlier, you can do that when your not a national comp with the logistics that it brings. And in doing so we had a TV partner absolutely sht on the game with false fact, and Vlandys agree with them, and we lost a CEO in the process to bow down to them. Cracking result. Bu hey we were first back eh?
Guess what all codes have worked with State Govts, no biggie there.
Yep he negotiated a lower deal, and refuses to tell us what it is. First time the game has done that in 25 years. I wonder why?
Yep back flipped on the threat to move GF if ANZ not done. Hmmmm
As they should, Brisbane 2 should have been in 20 years ago. Problem is one new club brings in byes which no one wants, doesn't add any value to revenue so is goign to cost the game at a time the game has massive reduced income. If it will actually happen we shall see.
AFl has had a long term vision and strategy for a national comp, their investment in that strategy is sustainable as they have significant revenues and set up teir systems to support it. We dont even have a strategy yet alone a plan to implement it.
You think the idea of spending money on Brisbane 2 is going to thrill the multitude of staff currently getting the heave ho from NRLHQ?

I note you ignored my main issue which is Vlandys negative comments on expansion areas and the damage it has potentially done. Whats your view on that and what do you think his motivation for damaging the game in this way is?

So getting a start two weeks early, meaning two weeks extra revenue running in to the tens of millions is a nothing.Stick to school tuckshop management ,with that outlook.Each week missing costs codes a lot of money, the AFL in particular.
We lost a CEO who was costing us a fortune in waste.This is the same CEO that PR spends half his lifetime bagging in the pasty, but now he is some sort of martyr.You couldn't make that stuff up.

Only now the AFL is getting rid of 20% off staff,wages cuts for players, but they are the epitome of everything that is financially sound.And losing expected $400m in the process.

Cause our mate here would not accept the AFL would need to drop money in the renegotiations ,but they did.

But PR stated how about the NRL and V’landys work with Govt.I stated they in fact did, now he changes gear to climb another mountain to nowhere.
Backflipped on ANZ.How about accepted the fact with the state Govt,there was no chance of more money going in to ANZ.Seriously you are making desperate accusations.

AFL had a long term vision, and thought everyone in the new states would down tools and follow the AFL.Notice with the Swans playing like rank outsiders ,no one gives a stuff about them.The bandwaggoners have climbed back into their sofas.

This long term vision where they spend tens of millions on Suns and GWS,has helped push their expected loss skywards.They despite owning a stadium needed $600m from ANZ and NAB to keep them going.
The fact the AFL have had to cut 20% of staff and leaders budgets, is indicative of the fact long term visions can look good on paper,or good in the really days, but when the economic sh*t hits the fans, they run for cover.
The idea of Brisbane 2,is:
1) To havean NRL game each weekend in Brisbane,so the casuals don't flock to other codes.
2) Another team creates more opportunities for juniors and indeed from union to try for the new club.
3)It brings more sponsors on board and creates more publicity in there media.

Here's an idea the staff losing their job at the NRL,some might get work at Brisbane 2 and you ignore the fact that Brisbane if given the OK would not be coming in post haste.The NRL is not the only organisation cutting back,I know two people one Qantas and one Jetstar both pilots doing work now, as drivers.I also have a relic on Jobseeker,so cut the lecturing mate.

Ignore your comments about V'Landys and expansion wrong once again.I agree with Brisbane 2 always have always will.As far as Perth is concerned ,whilst I disagree about his comments it's an AFL heartland,I believe until Brisbane is set up and the NRL has ,more money behind it, going to Perth now with COVID,no assets is too risky.
The NRL is cutting back on costs to the tune of $80m.Already two execs are leaving announced this weeks.Nick Weeks and Liz Deegan.
You're like a woman in a clothing sale,spend, spend ,spend, and worry later.

Not once have you dared to criticise the AFL to any degree on this site.As John McEnroe would say"You can't be serious."

 

[taipan]

I liked Smith and you know it
Who knows but I know we've never signed a 5 year TV deal without a very thorough and open tender process led by specialists, until Vlad came along.
You seem fixated how far I live away from you, very suburban of you lol

Agian i ask you your opinion on the actual issue which is Vlandys negative comments on expansion areas and the damage it has potentially done. Whats your view on that and what do you think his motivation for damaging the game in this way is?

You liked Smith when it suited.He went feral and was not familiar with rugby league and its politics,Bit like you are not familiar with rl in this country, but sure as hell are well acquainted with the AFL.

How do you know that? If you were not in attendance at the meetings or teleconferences re TV discussions, you like all of us relying on media outlets for your info.
What we do know Smith went out on his owner even if he had some sort of higher up go ahead, they didn't want a bar of him when he announced the Nine deal.That says something.

When one lives long distances away ,proclaims a love for the AFL, and runs down the NRL for years, the pub test would suggest distance plays some part.Because living near the action is more reliable ,than living near the inaction.
How about the damage done by SL war and the removal of $25m in cash assets.How about the incompetence of CEOs in the NRL who left the NRL with little money.How about the damage done by many off field incidences, including the Sharks.How about the damage done by constant changing of coaches.How about the image done by COVID to life and business.
How about the constant praising of an opposition code in a rugby league site, and expected to be taken seriously.How about ignoring those rash things the AFL has done.
When you have satisfied me with any answers to those I'll respond to the NRL /expansion effect.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Foxtel were the only serious bidder vying for the pay TV rights. No one else could offer what they eventually gave us. BeIN Sport, ESPN and Optus Sport will not offer as much money, nor would they cover production costs.

PR doesn't get it. A new team will require an extra $23 million to cover the annual salary cap and annual grant. Where is the ARLC going to find that money for a Perth team that Ch9 and Foxtel do not want because it won't rate well on TV?

Ch9 said Bris 2 will bring in an extra $30 million. More than enough to cover the salary cap and grant, plus an extra $7 million to spend on the game. My guess is that's the reason behind adding just one team and putting it in Brisbane.

The only way I can see the West Coast Pirates getting in is if the WA Government stumps up $23 million a season, because the ARLC doesn't have that dough lying about and the RLPA, 16 NRL clubs, QRL amd NSWRL are not going to accept a lower salary cap and grant just so PR can get what he wants.

 

[King hit]

puff piece. Hes destroyed relationships with some states at a time people on here are bemoaning the fact AFL seems to be able to get Qlnd govt to support it more and more. Instead of hating on AFL maybe we should be learning from them? His comments, which he has doubled down on, served no purpose for the benefit game and were just self serving to get home state fans to like him. What they have done is damage the relationship NRL had been nicely building in Vic, SA and WA. Hope it was worth it to feed his narcissism.
WA Govt just announced $100's million of sports infrastructure projects, RL got nothing. Nice work Vlad!

Could you ever imagine AFL being stupid enough to bag off NSW and Qland and call them a waste of time? Its dead set stupidity of the highest order and far worse than Beattie mistaking a jersey, yet Vlad gets no criticism. He is so far in bed with News Ltd he might as well be Gallop. I think everyone is in for a nasty shock when the facts about his News Ltd tv extension deal finally come out.

Peter Beattie had no aspiration to do a single thing. He is a professional bullshiter. When he ran QLD he used to talk up everything and especially himself but to do f**k all and make cringe excuses. He idolised major corruption as well. It's ridiculous you think he was worth something

 

[franklin2323]

Foxtel were the only serious bidder vying for the pay TV rights. No one else could offer what they eventually gave us. BeIN Sport, ESPN and Optus Sport will not offer as much money, nor would they cover production costs.

PR doesn't get it. A new team will require an extra $23 million to cover the annual salary cap and annual grant. Where is the ARLC going to find that money for a Perth team that Ch9 and Foxtel do not want because it won't rate well on TV?

Ch9 said Bris 2 will bring in an extra $30 million. More than enough to cover the salary cap and grant, plus an extra $7 million to spend on the game. My guess is that's the reason behind adding just one team and putting it in Brisbane.

The only way I can see the West Coast Pirates getting in is if the WA Government stumps up $23 million a season, because the ARLC doesn't have that dough lying about and the RLPA, 16 NRL clubs, QRL amd NSWRL are not going to accept a lower salary cap and grant just so PR can get what he wants.

Not to mention the pathways set up in QLD which is a must

 

[King hit]

Your first sentence shows how much of an afl fan you are .
The afl had 5 state GOVTs to deal with .
Te NRl had Three ...plus one territory govt plus one international govt .
So that is absolute bulshit what you wrote .
But doesn't surprise me ....that was the official afl line ...which as a good little fumble lover you repeat no matter how stupid it is .

It so funny how he whinged about Todd for years and now he is gone he worships him like how they worshipped Alice Cooper in Wayne's World

 

[Perth Red]

It so funny how he whinged about Todd for years and now he is gone he worships him like how they worshipped Alice Cooper in Wayne's World

I criticized where I thought warranted, and praised likewise. His lack of vision,( I mean Ive never heard a CEO come in with an opening line of "Im no visionary" lol) pssed me off but his development of NRL as an inclusive organisation and his ability to significantly increase non media revenue was worthy of praise. I dont have a problem with him gone, I have a problem with yet again the NRL caving in to TV companies demand to change our leadership. Its pss weak of Vlad. End of day CEO is there to deliver the boards strategy and fight fires.

You liked Smith when it suited.He went feral and was not familiar with rugby league and its politics,Bit like you are not familiar with rl in this country, but sure as hell are well acquainted with the AFL.

How do you know that? If you were not in attendance at the meetings or teleconferences re TV discussions, you like all of us relying on media outlets for your info.
What we do know Smith went out on his owner even if he had some sort of higher up go ahead, they didn't want a bar of him when he announced the Nine deal.That says something.

When one lives long distances away ,proclaims a love for the AFL, and runs down the NRL for years, the pub test would suggest distance plays some part.Because living near the action is more reliable ,than living near the inaction.
How about the damage done by SL war and the removal of $25m in cash assets.How about the incompetence of CEOs in the NRL who left the NRL with little money.How about the damage done by many off field incidences, including the Sharks.How about the damage done by constant changing of coaches.How about the image done by COVID to life and business.
How about the constant praising of an opposition code in a rugby league site, and expected to be taken seriously.How about ignoring those rash things the AFL has done.
When you have satisfied me with any answers to those I'll respond to the NRL /expansion effect.

I dont live in a world of absolutes, Smith did some good stuff, some very good stuff and stuffed some things up. But on balance of all the NRL ceos of the last 3 decades he gave me best hope he could modernise the game and get the best outcomes for it. Its a low bar I admit but he was the best of a bad bunch, imo.

I love the way the AFL goes about its business, national competition, $800mill revenue, asset base, manipulating media and Govt to get the best for its game, massive crowds. You'd have to have rocks in your head not to wish the same for NRL. As a sport I cant watch it, tried but found it boring.

You still havent answered my question! Why did you think Vlad thought it would be a good idea to be critical of the other states and damage the games positioning in them? What do you think he thinks the game has to gain by saying what he does about 'NRL wasting money on rusted on AFL states'? Especially at a time we are trying to win hearts and minds in Melbourne and we have a very supportive WA Govt towards the game (or did have).

 

[King hit]

I criticized where I thought warranted, and praised likewise. His lack of vision,( I mean Ive never heard a CEO come in with an opening line of "Im no visionary" lol) pssed me off but his development of NRL as an inclusive organisation and his ability to significantly increase non media revenue was worthy of praise. I dont have a problem with him gone, I have a problem with yet again the NRL caving in to TV companies demand to change our leadership. Its pss weak of Vlad. End of day CEO is there to deliver the boards strategy and fight fires.



I dont live in a world of absolutes, Smith did some good stuff, some very good stuff and stuffed some things up. But on balance of all the NRL ceos of the last 3 decades he gave me best hope he could modernise the game and get the best outcomes for it. Its a low bar I admit but he was the best of a bad bunch, imo.

I love the way the AFL goes about its business, national competition, $800mill revenue, asset base, manipulating media and Govt to get the best for its game, massive crowds. You'd have to have rocks in your head not to wish the same for NRL. As a sport I cant watch it, tried but found it boring.

You still havent answered my question! Why did you think Vlad thought it would be a good idea to be critical of the other states and damage the games positioning in them? What do you think he thinks the game has to gain by saying what he does about 'NRL wasting money on rusted on AFL states'? Especially at a time we are trying to win hearts and minds in Melbourne and we have a very supportive WA Govt towards the game (or did have).

What the f**k is that about Rugby League has always incredibly inclusive. We've had the first aboriginal captain of Australia in anything, openly gay players in the 90's when it wasn't an accepted thing, a devout open muslim in the early 2000's in the aftermath of 9/11, Bali etc. Gay referees as well.

And it didn't bother a single person ever

 

[Foreign Legion]

 

[King hit]

This f**king mad man

 

[Perth Red]

How embarrassing. Do you know how much commentary AFL made about Origin being played in Perth and Adelaide and Melbourne? None at all. He is feeding the media what they want which will ultimately just give AFL more column inches. AFL announce GF in Brisbane and with an hour Vlandys is being defensive. Makes us look weak which is exactly what the AFL want.

 

[King hit]

How embarrassing. Do you know how much commentary AFL made about Origin being played in Perth and Adelaide and Melbourne? None at all. He is feeding the media what they want which will ultimately just give AFL more column inches. AFL announce GF in Brisbane and with an hour Vlandys is being defensive. Makes us look weak which is exactly what the AFL want.

waah the great afl being told off waah

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

What the f**k is that about Rugby League has always incredibly inclusive. We've had the first aboriginal captain of Australia in anything, openly gay players in the 90's when it wasn't an accepted thing, a devout open muslim in the early 2000's in the aftermath of 9/11, Bali etc. Gay referees as well.

And it didn't bother a single person ever

Didn't a Scotsman play in one of the last Great Britain Lions teams to win an RL World Cup?

He is the only Scotsman to win a football world cup.

 

[taipan]

I criticized where I thought warranted, and praised likewise. His lack of vision,( I mean Ive never heard a CEO come in with an opening line of "Im no visionary" lol) pssed me off but his development of NRL as an inclusive organisation and his ability to significantly increase non media revenue was worthy of praise. I dont have a problem with him gone, I have a problem with yet again the NRL caving in to TV companies demand to change our leadership. Its pss weak of Vlad. End of day CEO is there to deliver the boards strategy and fight fires.



I dont live in a world of absolutes, Smith did some good stuff, some very good stuff and stuffed some things up. But on balance of all the NRL ceos of the last 3 decades he gave me best hope he could modernise the game and get the best outcomes for it. Its a low bar I admit but he was the best of a bad bunch, imo.

I love the way the AFL goes about its business, national competition, $800mill revenue, asset base, manipulating media and Govt to get the best for its game, massive crowds. You'd have to have rocks in your head not to wish the same for NRL. As a sport I cant watch it, tried but found it boring.

You still havent answered my question! Why did you think Vlad thought it would be a good idea to be critical of the other states and damage the games positioning in them? What do you think he thinks the game has to gain by saying what he does about 'NRL wasting money on rusted on AFL states'? Especially at a time we are trying to win hearts and minds in Melbourne and we have a very supportive WA Govt towards the game (or did have).

When Smith was criticised you went in like a charging bull ,as though he was some Oracle and was above criticism. You had not trouble feverishly bagging Greenberg ,but as soon as he was flicked he appears to be above criticism.

Well mate V'Landys is a Southern European personality that is no BS type, calls a spade a spade, and at times I think his approach is a bit outlandish.But he gets things done, and he appears to keep the majority of promises he makes.He and the Apollo team saved the game, kept it alive, brought in money earlier than other codes.Yet you laughingly knock him for getting in done 2 weeks earlier.Yeah it must hurt knowing they got in earlier than the AFL.
Beattie was supposedly. visionary and ended up doing what re expansion? Zero,zilch,squat all.
We had visionaries when we expanded the comp in 95, but you guys there thought otherwise and ended up getting flicked.And you're lecturing NRL CEOs LOL.

You have a problem whenever a CEO comes in , they say one word out of line, they should be hung and quartered.You whinge at times for the sake of it.

You do live in a world of absolutes that is correct, you live in a world that is consumed by AFL and can't see beyond your own agendas and stuff other clubs.

I lost hope with Smith, when he went solo and ended up giving Murdoch the opportunity prop up the AFL with more money and say he preferred AFL anyway.if that is somehow an endorsement ,you live in a cracked world.

I love the way the AFL spends huge sums on new clubs that locals have no empathy with, that draw SFA TV ratings in their area.
The way the indestructible AFL had to secure $600m despite all their cash and assets to back themselves to stay alive, expect to use a fair swag of that loan, and expect a $400m loss .Yep they are perfect specimens of financial ingenuity.

I've told you a dozen times ,but like a 10 year old in class who doesn't pay attention, his(V"Landys) wording was unfortunate.That being said what you guys did in 95 hardly endears you to anyone when it comes to expansion.The opportunity was there and you dropped the ball.

What doesn't sink into your head, because you don't give a stuff:
1) Current NRL clubs need to be ensured to be long term survivable.
2) Expansion involves Brisbane first, then whoever is 2nd when funding is around.
Just plain and simple.


And the question I pose ,which you won't answer, why do you spend soo much time pantsing the AFL?

Well mate with the supportive WA Govt.perhaps they can get Australia to call off the COVID pandemic, and everything will be rosy.

 

[Foreign Legion]

How embarrassing. Do you know how much commentary AFL made about Origin being played in Perth and Adelaide and Melbourne? None at all. He is feeding the media what they want which will ultimately just give AFL more column inches. AFL announce GF in Brisbane and with an hour Vlandys is being defensive. Makes us look weak which is exactly what the AFL want.

are you a Joe Biden supporter?

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

AFL is Australia's version of the RFU. A bunch of snobs with strong links to the establishment, who look down on the working class.

RL is a working class man's game. There is no love for us from the snobs in big business and government. PVL is doing the right thing. Throwing their classism and bias back at them has exposed them as bigoted pricks with an entitlement complex. The common man looks at the stoush and side with PVL over wankers like Jeff Kennett.

 

[Perth Red]

When Smith was criticised you went in like a charging bull,as though he was some Oracle and was above criticism. You had not rouble feverishly bagging Greenberg ,but as soon as he was flicked he appears to be above criticism.

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Again you talk in absolutes which is just nonsense. I had hope in Smith, I never had much in Greenberg. I liked Greenbergs ability to increase our revenue and start to close the massive gap on our rivals but he didnt seem to have much strategic direction or vision. News wnated Smith gone, he was gone. Ch9 wanted greenberg gone, he was gone. Our game is controlled by Tv companies as much now as it was in 1997. Pss weak.

Unfortunate? lol. It was unnecessary, unprofessional and damaging. Take off the man love Vlad glasses and call it for what it was. f**k me your going back to 1995 to try and justify his lack of professionalism? That'll do me.

Why do I talk up the AFL? Because they are bloody good at their job in a lot of areas and are performing a lot better in many areas than us. Id swap our leadership of the last 20 years for theirs any day of the week.
Imagine if we had:
$300million a year more revenue
avg crowds over 30k
owned a major asset
Had 2 clubs in Melbourne, Perth and Adelaide
Owned the media rather being owned by the media
Had Govt falling over itself to help us

Right there is leadership we lack, but anyway we are off track as this thread is about Vlandys so I wont be responding to any more questions on AFL or my personal opinions on previous CEO's lol.

 

[Perth Red]

are you a Joe Biden supporter?

Im not American, I dont know him. I am not a Trump supporter if that helps you?

 

[Foreign Legion]

Im not American, I dont know him. I am not a Trump supporter if that helps you?

.... some of your posts reminder me of "Sleepy Joe Biden" ..... by the way you don'y have to be American to be a democrat..

 

[Spot On]

PR still believing there is a long line of media conglomerates who would have paid the NRL billions for the TV rights. Lol.

How's Cricket Australia tracking PR. Seven West media? Rushing in to pay top dollar???

At least big Pete has started to razor away at Todd's largese at head office. 80 million in savings identified so far.

Rip the shit out of the joint Pete.