Question on Peter V'landys

[taste2taste]

Not much was known about the affects of impact injuries on the brain 100 years ago. Go back 20 years ago and little was known. Chris Nowinski has brought a lot of attention to it after recurrent concussions ended his professional wrestling career during the early 2000s. The Chris Benoit murder-suicide of his wife and son made it even more mainstream when it was revealed his brain was like an 80yo and had CTE, even though he was in his 40s. WWE banned headshots and refuse to show vision of them when screening matches from the 90s and early 00s.

NFL players who've committed murder and/or suicide have been found to have CTE.

Shaun Valentine was forced into retirement during the early 2000s due to recurrent concussions. He now has trouble remembering where he placed things and has headaches.

I endured numerous brain injuries when I was a child, one of which caused a fractured skull. I often get headaches and have memory problems.

Soccer has banned players from heading the ball at junior level due to the link between it and concussions.

You're common sense isn't welcome here !!!

I love it when fans says " he wasn't hurt ! Play on" . Studies have found that micro concussions are far more dangerous long term than getting KO'd and sprawled on the ground. A player may receive 3 or 4 micro concussions a game ( aka seeing stars ) The best example of this is Muhammad Ali. He never got KO'd in his entire career but got enough hits to the head that he was punch drunk ( early onset of Parkinson's ) in his late 30s

Ahhh but he wasn't hurt ! Pay on !

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Is this T-Boon's alt? fair dinkum..

The wrestle was introduced to prevent the ball carrier from offloading and slow down the ruck. Head and neck injuries have become more common as a result. A tackle these days has to involve the first defender wrapping up the arms of the ball carrier, the second defender halting his momentum and the third putting him on his back, preferably after turning him around to face his own goal line so the ruck will be slow enough for the defence to get a breather and run out of the line at full speed. It's made the game more dangerous.

Insurance premiums might become unaffordable when we find out how much damage is caused to players who suffer numerous head injuries. Give it another 30 or 40 years and we'll have a better idea of the long-term health problems players can expect from head injuries. Greedy lawyers will circle to sue. That's what PVL is trying to prevent.

 

[blaza88z]

The wrestle was introduced to prevent the ball carrier from offloading and slow down the ruck. Head and neck injuries have become more common as a result. A tackle these days has to involve the first defender wrapping up the arms of the ball carrier, the second defender halting his momentum and the third putting him on his back, preferably after turning him around to face his own goal line so the ruck will be slow enough for the defence to get a breather and run out of the line at full speed. It's made the game more dangerous.

Insurance premiums might become unaffordable when we find out how much damage is caused to players who suffer numerous head injuries. Give it another 30 or 40 years and we'll have a better idea of the long-term health problems players can expect from head injuries. Greedy lawyers will circle to sue. That's what PVL is trying to prevent.

I understand all of that but there's no way you can restrict offloads, teams who aren't fortunate enough to have a crafty half or 2 are heavy relying on second phase play to get their points.

The answer is to reward leg tackles, give the defender a bit more leniency to get back to marker if it's a leg tackle, that won't completely rid concussions from the game but then it comes down to the defenders technique rather than the guy carrying the ball getting one across the jaw.

 

[Mr Spock!]

The wrestle was introduced to prevent the ball carrier from offloading and slow down the ruck. Head and neck injuries have become more common as a result. A tackle these days has to involve the first defender wrapping up the arms of the ball carrier, the second defender halting his momentum and the third putting him on his back, preferably after turning him around to face his own goal line so the ruck will be slow enough for the defence to get a breather and run out of the line at full speed. It's made the game more dangerous.

Insurance premiums might become unaffordable when we find out how much damage is caused to players who suffer numerous head injuries. Give it another 30 or 40 years and we'll have a better idea of the long-term health problems players can expect from head injuries. Greedy lawyers will circle to sue. That's what PVL is trying to prevent.

Then they should be having a mandatory 2 week period off after a head knock with doctor's clearance which is what happens in ALL other rugby league games from juniors up but not NRL.

 

[Mr Spock!]

But high tackles, better yet, tackles and actions that can lead to concussion will NEVER be removed from the game, no matter how much you penalise or fine.
How many defenders went off for a HIA this weekend? What happens then? Somebody sues the NRL due to their own shit tackle technique?

The administration needs to mitigate the risks on field and have the necessary protocols in place to care for players during the games etc
The players need to accept the risks of playing the game as well. This ain't netball.

They get paid big bucks to play a physical and brutal game us mere mortals are unable to do, yet we love to watch these super human athletes go at it. Its entertainment.

You wash the product down and you lose appeal, you lose fans, you ultimately lose money. Players get paid less, and it will eventually be just another sport competing for attention on Foxsports.

Well every rugby league club has been given guidelines that any player in any grade from junior up who receives an HIA must have a mandatory two weeks off with doctor's clearance before playing.again.

The only competition this does not apply to is the NRL.

Why is that?

 

[Mr Spock!]

Limiting offloads is the dumbest idea I've ever heard.

Even from T-Boon.

 

[Mr Spock!]

Also if runners are going to back their way into the defensive line and they receive a crusher tackle -

Stiff shit. Play on.

This is something we talked about at a junior level 40 years ago.

Backing into the defence is flat out dangerous.

 

[Munted]

Well every rugby league club has been given guidelines that any player in any grade from junior up who receives an HIA must have a mandatory two weeks off with doctor's clearance before playing.again.

The only competition this does not apply to is the NRL.

Why is that?

Because they don't want to dilute the product.
PVL has snookered himself.

 

[Mr Spock!]

Because they don't want to dilute the product.
PVL has snookered himself.

Yep...imagine a grand final with players out because they failed the hia in the gf qualifier.

All of a sudden player welfare doesn't matter.

 

[blaza88z]

Also if runners are going to back their way into the defensive line and they receive a crusher tackle -

Stiff shit. Play on.

This is something we talked about at a junior level 40 years ago.

Backing into the defence is flat out dangerous.

It amazes how many do it, they obviously don't respect the fact that they could suffer a serious injury enough. I don't have any stats but it would be near the top of the list when it comes to reasons why a penalty is given to a particular team this year, it has to be.

Players obviously don't think they can get seriously injured backing into a defender.

 

[Mr Spock!]

It amazes how many do it, they obviously don't respect the fact that they could suffer a serious injury enough. I don't have any stats but it would be near the top of the list when it comes to reasons why a penalty is given to a particular team this year, it has to be.

Players obviously don't think they can get seriously injured backing into a defender.

Backing into the defence exposes the kidneys, back, neck with no protection at all.

Its obvious that the people who designed these rules have never played the game.

When you're wrestling with a 125 kg prop backing into the defence, trying to stop him, stop his offload and get him on the ground, the last thing you're thinking about is his neck.

 

[souths_reborn]

The wrestle was introduced to prevent the ball carrier from offloading and slow down the ruck. Head and neck injuries have become more common as a result. A tackle these days has to involve the first defender wrapping up the arms of the ball carrier, the second defender halting his momentum and the third putting him on his back, preferably after turning him around to face his own goal line so the ruck will be slow enough for the defence to get a breather and run out of the line at full speed. It's made the game more dangerous.

Insurance premiums might become unaffordable when we find out how much damage is caused to players who suffer numerous head injuries. Give it another 30 or 40 years and we'll have a better idea of the long-term health problems players can expect from head injuries. Greedy lawyers will circle to sue. That's what PVL is trying to prevent.

I think you are talking in extremes there. In any case, head injuries have been around in rugby league since day one; foul play was just not policed as stringently as it is today. Then there are the cases of players sustaining concussions from making tackles and landing awkwardly etc. The game has always been dangerous and always will be. I'm not sure how you quantify the level of danger but it is an extremely physical game. To be honest, it should really be put up there with boxing and various forms of martial arts. We need to get away from this view that rugby league is safe and is for everyone - its not! Furthermore,. I think every player in the game knows the risks; they are dumb but not THAT dumb!

 

[souths_reborn]

But high tackles, better yet, tackles and actions that can lead to concussion will NEVER be removed from the game, no matter how much you penalise or fine.
How many defenders went off for a HIA this weekend? What happens then? Somebody sues the NRL due to their own shit tackle technique?

The administration needs to mitigate the risks on field and have the necessary protocols in place to care for players during the games etc
The players need to accept the risks of playing the game as well. This ain't netball.

They get paid big bucks to play a physical and brutal game us mere mortals are unable to do, yet we love to watch these super human athletes go at it. Its entertainment.

You wash the product down and you lose appeal, you lose fans, you ultimately lose money. Players get paid less, and it will eventually be just another sport competing for attention on Foxsports.

I agree with you! Believe me, I'm on your side! Its Peter V'landys that needs convincing. My point was that Peter V'landys is constantly changing his explanation of why he introduced these new protocols and one of the reasons he gave was that he fears litigation being taken against the game. I'm countering this by saying that if a player can take legal action for the after-effects of concussion, then what is top stop him taking legal actions for the effects of other long term injuries?

You have hit the nail on the head. Everyone just needs to accept that rugby league is highly physical sport and incidental concussions are going to happen.

 

[siv]

Then they should be having a mandatory 2 week period off after a head knock with doctor's clearance which is what happens in ALL other rugby league games from juniors up but not NRL.

But it cant stop at the simple 1 weekend standdown as is in the NSWRL

It will need to increase to 3 weekends standown for the second concussion withon 4 weeks of returning

Then 5 weekends for a third within 4 weeks of returning

 

[T-Boon]

They need to bring back the 5m rule or even shorter. Less momentum more skill.

 

[T-Boon]

make the coaches have day jobs. All the problems in the game are from cheating coaches who have too much time on their hands.

 

[franklin2323]

All comes back to technique. Crackdown is 3 weeks old and still guys failing HIA's

 

[mave]

make the coaches have day jobs. All the problems in the game are from cheating coaches who have too much time on their hands.

Adam O'Brien is example 1.

Clearly the Knights trainers are under instruction to check on an injured player, then wait to stop play until tackle 2 after the opposition has the ball, completely killing all momentum.

Happened 3 times yesterday.

Along with the Academy Award winning performances of Lach Fitzgibbon.

This is what the fans want !! Thanks PVL.

 

[T-Boon]

Reward 1 man tackles and tax gang tackles. A gang tackle should cost an extra tackle.

 

[T-Boon]

If we get gang tackles out of the game then suddenly coaches need to spend all their time working on some other type of tackling tecnique like legs tackles or effective 1 on 1s.