Question on Peter V'landys

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I'll go one better.

You are an idiot.

How would they ever police that rule consistently?

T-Boon has real competition for the title.

Call me an idiot if you like, but concussions from head high tackles are a serious problem and will not go away unless radical changes are introduced.

How are we going to convince parents to let their kids play the game when they see players getting whacked around the head numerous times per game?

Making players tackle below the waist will eliminate headshots, making the game far safer and safeguarding the ARLC from lawsuits by players who end up with brain damage caused by head knocks. WWE and NFL are already dealing with lawsuits.

With the first defender forced to wrap up the football to prevent the offload and second defender also coming in high to hold the player up, there will be plenty of head high tackles, regardless of the sin-bin rule. The only way to solve it is by lowering the tackle zone and limiting offloads to create a balance between defence and attack, or introducing a first line of defence at the ruck consisting of 4 players, a second line of defence 10m behind the ruck with a 4 and 4 split on either side and the fullback as the third line of defence.

 

[mave]

Call me an idiot if you like, but concussions from head high tackles are a serious problem and will not go away unless radical changes are introduced.

Agreed.

How are we going to convince parents to let their kids play the game when they see players getting whacked around the head numerous times per game?

We never will, despite what changes we bring in.

Making players tackle below the waist will eliminate headshots, making the game far safer and safeguarding the ARLC from lawsuits by players who end up with brain damage caused by head knocks. WWE and NFL are already dealing with lawsuits.

I'm am advocate for tackling below the waist.

You don't make that happen by more legislation, that will just produce more bullshit, you do it by encouraging players and coaches to make that tackling skill as prevalent as possible.

Reward legs tackling, and coaches will very, very quickly make the desired change for you.

 

[Perth Red]

Call me an idiot if you like, but concussions from head high tackles are a serious problem and will not go away unless radical changes are introduced.

How are we going to convince parents to let their kids play the game when they see players getting whacked around the head numerous times per game?

Making players tackle below the waist will eliminate headshots, making the game far safer and safeguarding the ARLC from lawsuits by players who end up with brain damage caused by head knocks. WWE and NFL are already dealing with lawsuits.

With the first defender forced to wrap up the football to prevent the offload there will be plenty of head high tackles, regardless of the sin-bin rule. The only way to solve it is by lowering the tackle zone, offloads or introducing a first line of defence at the PTB, a second line of defence 10m back and the third line of defence with the fullback.

and what about defender concussions from low tackles or from head knocks? How will we eliminate the risk of them? Which by the way are the cause of the vast majority of HIA’s.

touch football is always there for parents who won’t let their kids climb trees or build go karts or play a contact sport.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Agreed.



We never will, despite what changes we bring in.



I'm am advocate for tackling below the waist.

You don't make that happen by more legislation, that will just produce more bullshit, you do it by encouraging players and coaches to make that tackling skill as prevalent as possible.

Reward legs tackling, and coaches will very, very quickly make the desired change for you.

A limit on how many offloads can be made per play would encourage players to tackle lower.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

and what about defender concussions from low tackles or from head knocks? How will we eliminate the risk of them? Which by the way are the cause of the vast majority of HIA’s.

touch football is always there for parents who won’t let their kids climb trees or build go karts or play a contact sport.

Better tackling techniques will reduce concussions caused by tacklers getting their head in the wrong spot.

 

[mave]

Better tackling techniques will reduce concussions caused by tacklers getting their head in the wrong spot.

And better tackling techniques for lower tackling will only be coached if there is on-field incentive to do so.

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

And better tackling techniques for lower tackling will only be coached if there is on-field incentive to do so.

Not getting concussed is a pretty good incentive, though

 

[mave]

Not getting concussed is a pretty good incentive, though

I thought the players needed saving from themselves ?

 

[souths_reborn]

Call me an idiot if you like, but concussions from head high tackles are a serious problem and will not go away unless radical changes are introduced.

How are we going to convince parents to let their kids play the game when they see players getting whacked around the head numerous times per game?

Making players tackle below the waist will eliminate headshots, making the game far safer and safeguarding the ARLC from lawsuits by players who end up with brain damage caused by head knocks. WWE and NFL are already dealing with lawsuits.

With the first defender forced to wrap up the football to prevent the offload and second defender also coming in high to hold the player up, there will be plenty of head high tackles, regardless of the sin-bin rule. The only way to solve it is by lowering the tackle zone and limiting offloads to create a balance between defence and attack, or introducing a first line of defence at the ruck consisting of 4 players, a second line of defence 10m behind the ruck with a 4 and 4 split on either side and the fullback as the third line of defence.

Lowering the tackle zone will only increase the risk of concussions as players run the risk of getting kneed in the head if they tackle down low. It is all well and good saying that it is possible to lower the tackle zone without putting the tackler at risk of getting knee'd but in reality it is not as simple as that given the high speed the game is played at.

The other thing everyone needs to get out of their heads is that rugby league IS NOT a sport for everyone and there is a chance that players will get injured. I do not know when this came into it but we need to get away from this thinking that rugby league is a safe game; it is not and that part of the reason why we love it! This point does not just apply to concussions but other injuries as well. Think about it: we see broken bones, torn ligaments and muscles all the time! Rugby League is physical and the sooner we can accept that the better off we will be!

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Lowering the tackle zone will only increase the risk of concussions as players run the risk of getting kneed in the head if they tackle down low. It is all well and good saying that it is possible to lower the tackle zone without putting the tackler at risk of getting knee'd but in reality it is not as simple as that given the high speed the game is played at.

The other thing everyone needs to get out of their heads is that rugby league IS NOT a sport for everyone and there is a chance that players will get injured. I do not know when this came into it but we need to get away from this thinking that rugby league is a safe game; it is not and that part of the reason why we love it! This point does not just apply to concussions but other injuries as well. Think about it: we see broken bones, torn ligaments and muscles all the time! Rugby League is physical and the sooner we can accept that the better off we will be!

Will RL survive as a brutal contact sport in 25 years from now?

There are people with an anti-contact sport agenda trying to kill our game.

 

[mave]

Will RL survive as a brutal contact sport in 25 years from now?

There are people with an anti-contact sport agenda trying to kill our game.

There is a bloke in charge of the game, trying to kill our game, and doing a damn good job of it.

 

[souths_reborn]

Will RL survive as a brutal contact sport in 25 years from now?

There are people with an anti-contact sport agenda trying to kill our game.

Its survived over 100 years so far. Ultimately, its like the UFC or boxing - if you are worried about getting hurt or concussed do not play it! It is that simple!

 

[Munted]

Its survived over 100 years so far. Ultimately, its like the UFC or boxing - if you are worried about getting hurt or concussed do not play it! It is that simple!

It survived 100 years because people accepted the risks.
Now, it's about creating a safe game.... Which is bullshit because it's so f**king physical it's not funny. It's not safe, neither is motorsports but for 99% of participants it's fine.

 

[souths_reborn]

It survived 100 years because people accepted the risks.
Now, it's about creating a safe game.... Which is bullshit because it's so f**king physical it's not funny. It's not safe, neither is motorsports but for 99% of participants it's fine.

Exactly right. We need to get rid of this notion that rugby league is a safe game as soon as possible; its not safe and it never has been. Let me throw this out there: Peter V'landys bangs on about wanting to make the game safe and is worried about litigation etc. What happens legally when a player sustains another career ending injury? For example, a bad leg break that ended the career of Jharal Yow Yee? Do we still end up in court over something like that?

 

[Munted]

What happens legally when a player sustains another career ending injury? For example, a bad leg break that ended the career of Jharal Yow Yee? Do we still end up in court over something like that?

They don't care about ankles and shit.
Brains and little Timmy's mum who won't let him play jnr RL are the worry.

 

[souths_reborn]

They don't care about ankles and shit.
Brains and little Timmy's mum who won't let him play jnr RL are the worry.

One of the many and varying reasons for the crackdown, according to V'landys, is that he fears for the game ending up in court.

 

[Munted]

One of the many and varying reasons for the crackdown, according to V'landys, is that he fears for the game ending up in court.

But high tackles, better yet, tackles and actions that can lead to concussion will NEVER be removed from the game, no matter how much you penalise or fine.
How many defenders went off for a HIA this weekend? What happens then? Somebody sues the NRL due to their own shit tackle technique?

The administration needs to mitigate the risks on field and have the necessary protocols in place to care for players during the games etc
The players need to accept the risks of playing the game as well. This ain't netball.

They get paid big bucks to play a physical and brutal game us mere mortals are unable to do, yet we love to watch these super human athletes go at it. Its entertainment.

You wash the product down and you lose appeal, you lose fans, you ultimately lose money. Players get paid less, and it will eventually be just another sport competing for attention on Foxsports.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Not much was known about the affects of impact injuries on the brain 100 years ago. Go back 20 years ago and little was known. Chris Nowinski has brought a lot of attention to it after recurrent concussions ended his professional wrestling career during the early 2000s. The Chris Benoit murder-suicide of his wife and son made it even more mainstream when it was revealed his brain was like an 80yo and had CTE, even though he was in his 40s. WWE banned headshots and refuse to show vision of them when screening matches from the 90s and early 00s.

NFL players who've committed murder and/or suicide have been found to have CTE.

Shaun Valentine was forced into retirement during the early 2000s due to recurrent concussions. He now has trouble remembering where he placed things and has headaches.

I endured numerous brain injuries when I was a child, one of which caused a fractured skull. I often get headaches and have memory problems.

Soccer has banned players from heading the ball at junior level due to the link between it and concussions.

 

[taste2taste]

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[blaza88z]

A limit on how many offloads can be made per play would encourage players to tackle lower.

Is this T-Boon's alt? fair dinkum..