Rabbitohs rumours, signings, injuries etc

[southsport]

Mitchell won't be allowed to leave the Roosters. He was keen to go a few months back but SKD leaving has created the space for him and he is proving to be a very good centre, He will be signed to a typical long term Roosters deal. Basically, bugger all on the salary cap and then Uncle Nick will let him win at golf a few times for cash prizes throughout the year.

Mitchell was promised the fullback possie and he aint gonna get it at the roosters now, if he can get a release he will go.

 

[SaraSassypants]

Dave Tyrell is great for depth. But on similar money we could've kept Nathan Brown...

 

[Rabbit toes]

Dave Tyrell is great for depth. But on similar money we could've kept Nathan Brown...

Yeah nah, Parra were always gunna throw big $$$ Dave Tyrell is great for depthbut shows he can still cut it in 1st grade too

 

[Souths Till I Die]

It's debatable whether Dave Tyrell is still up for first grade tbh. Tyrell does a lot of defence and really firms up the middle of our pack. Realistically though you wouldn't want to be locking in an average player like Tyrell up. Maybe on minimum wage. Our prop rotation basically relies on musgrove and the Burgess twins to rack up huge metres to account for Tyrell and Clark. Since it has not been working for the past 2 years it is probably time to move Sam to prop, drop Tyrell or Clark and find a real workhorse for lock.We already have one in Murray though.

Having Gagai next year will also really help as he loves doing a lot of running.

 

[DiegoNT]

Dave Tyrell is great for depth. But on similar money we could've kept Nathan Brown...

Or for the price of 1 twin we could have 2 Nathan browns.

 

[Rabbit toes]

It's debatable whether Dave Tyrell is still up for first grade tbh. Tyrell does a lot of defence and really firms up the middle of our pack. Realistically though you wouldn't want to be locking in an average player like Tyrell up. Maybe on minimum wage. Our prop rotation basically relies on musgrove and the Burgess twins to rack up huge metres to account for Tyrell and Clark. Since it has not been working for the past 2 years it is probably time to move Sam to prop, drop Tyrell or Clark and find a real workhorse for lock.We already have one in Murray though.

Having Gagai next year will also really help as he loves doing a lot of running.

I agree, i guess what i was saying is even though hes not a 1st grade starter at the moment when he did start recently he performed well.

 

[Travitoh]

Triple M have been known to lift their 'news' from forums in the past so anything from them I'd take with a pinch of salt.

Tyrrell, Turner and Clark are all squad players on squad player money who in the past two seasons have performed equally as well if not better than some of their higher paid team mates if the forums 3-2-1 counts are anything to go by. Moving them on would be a gamble. We need our higher paid players to earn their money, they're the ones that are preventing us from adding some real quality

 

[Dogmatix]

Classic examples on this thread of why Souths have had 3 good seasons (2012-14) since 1990. Souths need to be way more selective and ruthless with their recruitment. You have to stop this idea that certain players are "good for depth". In the NRL depth players are worthless as reserve grade no longer exists. You need a strong top 17. If you have bad luck with injuries you won't win the competition as another team will have the luck and field their best 17 in the finals and will crush your "depth" players

People keep saying it is the twins fault for not playing well enough to keep Tyrell out. It is up to Tyrell to win the spots of the twins. If he cannot permanently win a top 17 spot then he needs to go. So far this season he has played about 3 games so he is failing to win that top 17 spot. He must go

Souths should have improved on Clark, Tyrell and Turner with upgraded signings in the last 12 months

 

[DiegoNT]

Classic examples on this thread of why Souths have had 3 good seasons (2012-14) since 1990. Souths need to be way more selective and ruthless with their recruitment. You have to stop this idea that certain players are "good for depth". In the NRL depth players are worthless as reserve grade no longer exists. You need a strong top 17. If you have bad luck with injuries you won't win the competition as another team will have the luck and field their best 17 in the finals and will crush your "depth" players

People keep saying it is the twins fault for not playing well enough to keep Tyrell out. It is up to Tyrell to win the spots of the twins. If he cannot permanently win a top 17 spot then he needs to go. So far this season he has played about 3 games so he is failing to win that top 17 spot. He must go

Souths should have improved on Clark, Tyrell and Turner with upgraded signings in the last 12 months

No disrespect, but what a load of crap.
You always need good players to be able fill in, it's impossible to rely soly in 17 players.
We won a premiership with Turner, Tyrell and clark doing exactly what they are doing this year. The difference is that our big money players that year were playing close to their bests. Even so, we wouldn't have made the grand final without guys like ethan lowe, Luke Burgess, Bryson Goodwin and most importantly in the grand scheme of things api Korisau. Also without Clark filling in when Sam was unavailable and Turner filling in for teo'o, especially when he copped that huge 5 game suspension late in the year, we wouldn't have made it. Sharks relied on guys like Tagatese, Paulo, Capewell last year. You need reliable back up players. You can't go straight from a strong 17 and replace guys with NYC players when injuries and suspensions happen

 

[Travitoh]

No disrespect, but what a load of crap.
You always need good players to be able fill in, it's impossible to rely soly in 17 players.
We won a premiership with Turner, Tyrell and clark doing exactly what they are doing this year. The difference is that our big money players that year were playing close to their bests. Even so, we wouldn't have made the grand final without guys like ethan lowe, Luke Burgess, Bryson Goodwin and most importantly in the grand scheme of things api Korisau. Also without Clark filling in when Sam was unavailable and Turner filling in for teo'o, especially when he copped that huge 5 game suspension late in the year, we wouldn't have made it. Sharks relied on guys like Tagatese, Paulo, Capewell last year. You need reliable back up players. You can't go straight from a strong 17 and replace guys with NYC players when injuries and suspensions happen

FACT!

Replacing guys 18-25 on the list won't achieve anything if 1-17 aren't performing. Of the three that always get mentioned i do feel that Tyrrell's time is up but to place blame on him as to why our season hasn't been a success is absolutely ludicrous! If players actually played up to their potential/ability i feel DT struggles to make our top 20. But guys aren't performing and while he doesn't win us games, he isn't why we lose.
The 'dud three' are an easy target for people who claim to support South Sydney because the chance of them becoming a stud and proving the doubters wrong is very low. Notice how the same people won't claim day in day out that the twins are duds? Even though the two would be on a heck of a lot more than the three who are always being slated.
Players 1-17 might win the premiership but players 18-22 get you to the grand final.

 

[DiegoNT]

I recently had a look up to the old Sam Burgess threads, of which there are a few, from when he was in the process of resigning.

The issue of gutting the clubs depth was brought up numerous times, both by some of our fans and fans of other clubs.

The line that many trotted out was 'Sam is worth it'. He can do it all on his own. He'll lift others. He'll get the twins back firing. And here's the interesting part. Many on here said we don't need that extra depth, guys like Turner, Clark and Tyrrell just have to do their jobs and Sam will do the rest.

We have to do something, we finished 7th that year.


Now fast forward almost 2 years.

Most of us would offer our firstborn sons for a 7th place finish.

Sam can't do it all on his own. That's actually the catchphrase now 'Sam is having to do it all on his own and it's not working'.

Sam hasn't lifted the twins. They've actually gotten far worse.

Guys like Turner, Clark and Tyrrell are still doing the same job, But now it's not good enough, they are duds and have to be sacked.


It's probably why I'm so defensive of that trio. They and guys like them were a big part of not only our rise, but our premiership and also our finals appearance the next year. They were always going to be the ones to cop it if the Sam signing turned out to be a dud. There's no way the burgii would be blamed, it was always going to be that trio. And the thing is that all 3 are sacked, i don't see how we actually improve our team. We could trade all 3 and possibly buy a good prop, but as good as that prop goes, our forward pack will always depend on how the Burgii go. If we sack all 3 for rookies and journeyman it also doesn't our team. Our forward pack that we build our game plan around will always come down to the burgii, whether it be by them performing, or by getting in quality players in on their wages that will

 

[Souths Till I Die]

Classic examples on this thread of why Souths have had 3 good seasons (2012-14) since 1990. Souths need to be way more selective and ruthless with their recruitment. You have to stop this idea that certain players are "good for depth". In the NRL depth players are worthless as reserve grade no longer exists. You need a strong top 17. If you have bad luck with injuries you won't win the competition as another team will have the luck and field their best 17 in the finals and will crush your "depth" players

People keep saying it is the twins fault for not playing well enough to keep Tyrell out. It is up to Tyrell to win the spots of the twins. If he cannot permanently win a top 17 spot then he needs to go. So far this season he has played about 3 games so he is failing to win that top 17 spot. He must go

Souths should have improved on Clark, Tyrell and Turner with upgraded signings in the last 12 months

You make some good points dogmatix. But it also doesn't help when the twins are on 500k and playing like 200k players. I hope Souths do recruit some decent props though. Right now we are relying on our 20's stars. Prop is the weakest position in our team.

 

[SaraSassypants]

Yeah nah, Parra were always gunna throw big $$$ Dave Tyrell is great for depthbut shows he can still cut it in 1st grade too

If you think Brown on 180k is big dollars then sure.

 

[Rabbits20]

Do you really need a source to know that latrell is being chased though? All their outside backs are locked up long term giving him no shot at fullback.

We won't get him.

 

[Rabbits20]

Latu could be a great number 13 for us. We could promise him the starting position and have Murray rotate it with him. Then Sam could move to prop and play big minutes there.

Yeah I agree but he's been a bit out of sorts lately!!!!

I'd be willing to take the gamble and he could take that next step in his career!!! I know he can run big metres too!!! I have seen him do it before.

 

[Rabbits20]

Classic examples on this thread of why Souths have had 3 good seasons (2012-14) since 1990. Souths need to be way more selective and ruthless with their recruitment. You have to stop this idea that certain players are "good for depth". In the NRL depth players are worthless as reserve grade no longer exists. You need a strong top 17. If you have bad luck with injuries you won't win the competition as another team will have the luck and field their best 17 in the finals and will crush your "depth" players

People keep saying it is the twins fault for not playing well enough to keep Tyrell out. It is up to Tyrell to win the spots of the twins. If he cannot permanently win a top 17 spot then he needs to go. So far this season he has played about 3 games so he is failing to win that top 17 spot. He must go

Souths should have improved on Clark, Tyrell and Turner with upgraded signings in the last 12 months

Absolutely brilliant post!!!!!!!

We have a bunch of mediocrity lovers in here though.

 

[foreverinourshadow]

Dave Tyrell is great for depth. But on similar money we could've kept Nathan Brown...

dave tyrrell is a fugging dud gee whiz people on here dribble bs for the sake of it but sadly believe in their own bs fug me r20 its comedy hour in here tonight.....Shadow...

 

[Rabbits20]

dave tyrrell is a fugging dud gee whiz people on here dribble bs for the sake of it but sadly believe in their own bs fug me r20 its comedy hour in here tonight.....Shadow...

No other club in the NRL would have him. FACT.......

 

[Itsamansgame]

For mine Dave Tyrrell has to go and looking at forwards that are left on the market at the moment my choices would be.Moving Sam to the front row picking up Bodene Thompson to bolster the second row having moved Sam,and pick up Agnatius Paasi as depth for either forward position.
Other than than ladies and gentlemen there is bugger all left out there!

 

[Souths Till I Die]

For mine Dave Tyrrell has to go and looking at forwards that are left on the market at the moment my choices would be.Moving Sam to the front row picking up Bodene Thompson to bolster the second row having moved Sam,and pick up Agnatius Paasi as depth for either forward position.
Other than than ladies and gentlemen there is bugger all left out there!

I agree. Our props do let us down when it comes to big games. I haven't seen any of them step up when it really mattered this year. The only game that comes to mind is the broncos game that we were robbed of. Burgess twins were dominating that game and so was musgrove.

I really don't mind our second row though. They can probably both play 80! Even if we move Sam to prop I don't think Bodene would be a great pickup as it hinders the development of fuimaono. Paasi was a Souths junior yes? Him or latu would be great at lock having Murray off the bench. If we're gonna continue having a utility then questions need to be asked whether Sutton can play on next year. 80 minute second rowers is the best way to go. With 1 lock and 2 props on the bench.