Raiders fury at Kiwi rorts - Wiki lured by 'illegal' offer?

[aussies1st]

it was an illegal team by definition in 1991... the year WE LOST
89, 90 and 94 we all perfectly legal So no titles were won illegally, you dunce

Game, set and match

 

[albi]

You make it sound like he was forced to do something he didnt want to.
At the end of the day, WIKI signed with NZ.

I wonder what we'll hear if its found Wiki knew it was all suss?

Will you still think he 'is class'?

Look, Ruben spent a lot of his own time helping Polenesian kids who were in trouble, and was a great role model for the disenfrachised.

As for the deal he signed, I doubt he has access to the Warrior's financial records, so how would he know if they were over the cap?

 

[Raider Ultra]

The Ruben contract with the Warriors was void as there were insufficient witnesses to the contract. Clown.

 

[Chips]

Those of us who have followed the Warriors since their creation will remember being deadset shattered when the Raiders offered Wiki additional money to sign with them when he already had a contract with the Warriors for their inaugural season, (coincidently this happened in the early 90`s when they themselves were proven to be over the cap)

What goes around comes around.

How the hell can you not offer a player like Wiki a job after league?. He was a great back and now is a brilliant forward and the Most capped international player of all time. From what i read, he wanted to bring his kids home to get some culture so i dont think an after playing role would have suited him at Canberra.

Coincidently it happened in 1995...which is neither early nineties coz its MID nineties nor near our salary cap breach in 1991

I do not see how this is karma?...by the looks of things its not Us whose been screwed in the backside by karma at the moment

 

[Iafeta]

In regards to Wiki/Price:-

Wiki: Would the Raiders have had a job for him post career? Its almost appear foolish for them not to utilise his obvious leadership skills post career in developing young players. I'd be staggered if any club didn't use him to coach defence or coach youngsters who'd look up to him with some sort of revere.

Price: Wasn't it almost a given he was moving into Dogs adminstration post career?

So from the sounds of it, the catch is the guaranteed part of it, when in other cases throughout the NRL there'd be wink wink, nudge nudge gentlemen's agreements that you scratch our back, we'll scratch yours post career whether it be assisting you with education/career development for a career external to the club or utilising your experiences internally within the club.

 

[hrundi99]

Love this thread....great to see the lime brigade bleating again.

Brings back fond memories.

Raider fans make me......:lol: :lol:

Get a life.

 

[mattyj]

Coincidently it happened in 1995...which is neither early nineties coz its MID nineties nor near our salary cap breach in 1991

I do not see how this is karma?...by the looks of things its not Us whose been screwed in the backside by karma at the moment

It happend in 93.......

 

[albi]

I clearly remember there being talk of a position for Ruben post career if he stayed at the Raiders.

If anything turns out to be untoward, I hope the managers are investigated.

 

[ozzie]

I didn't realise that was the case. If it's right (not doubting you), tht's great news. I just chose from the clubs who opposed a salary cap increase, which was the majority. It's blatant self interest from the fans who advocate it.

We would have been fked as well. We could afford to spend about 2.9 million last year.

Maybe we should make a minimum number of juniors a prerequisite. After all it will encourage good management of each club's juniors won't it?

Im all for that - if the Roosters had their boundaries revisited it would be fine. As it is, it is hard to have a junior team in the CBD

 

[balmainbenny]

The Clayton 1990 premiers are whining again.

The fact is, you lime c**ks CHEATED your way towards winning a title. The facts are in black and white and your boys only got a slap on the wrist. You are deadset lucky that the title was not handed to Penrith.

Good karma though....but, you have been paying dearly for years with your medicority.

 

[Iafeta]

I clearly remember there being talk of a position for Ruben post career if he stayed at the Raiders.

If anything turns out to be untoward, I hope the managers are investigated.

Which surely would be legal.

Ergo, I'm still somewhat at a loss as to how his post playing career is a salary cap issue. DJ1 raised two points that I tend to agree with

1. Issue if the contract diminishes year by year to ssay last year being $100,000 and the remaining value is paid out by an "overs" agreement for off field post career activity.
2. Issue if the contract is well below market value and is accepted due to the post career incentive at a bumped up agreed price.

If the information we all heard is correct, Ruben was offered $300-350K per year for 3 years, and Steve Price was $300-350-400K per year for 3 years which for ageing players, ableit excellent ones, would be either at or above market value.

 

[greeneyed]

Fact 1: Its been proven the only reason we went over was because of incentive based contracts, unless we knew how many games we'd win and who would go on to play origin and for their country, we didnt knowingly do sh*t, you trackhead. Not only that, but the sums being discussed with the warriors and the million dollar Dogs rort, is skies ahead of what canberra were in 91... we were 50-100k over... A sum that is bandied around every year, just last year a host of clubs were fine for these minor breaches

2: Warriors allegedly cheated the cap knowingly and purposefully, in doing so lured 2 opposition club stalwarts and icons with dirty money. Im f**king pissed!

Fact 3: Whilst both were over the cap, one is a minor accidental breach, the other a major alleged purposefully breach... schools apart.

Fact 4: Your a f**king idiot, who has absolutely no f**kin idea what he is talking about

My opinion: Your also borderline geniused

Not only that, claims like "the Raiders won all their premierships while breaking the cap" are completely wrong.

There was absolutely no question over the Raiders breaching the cap in 1989 or 1994. There was a minor (we are talking thousands, not a million as we are with the Dogs and Warriors) overrun on the salary cap in 1990 - all clubs but three (Raiders being one of them) have had breaches of this sort since the establishment of the NRL and simply been fined for them. Indeed, the Roosters were fined for breaking the cap in a minor way in the year they won the NRL Premiership.

The problem year was 1991, when the Raiders did not win the premiership. In that year, the size of the overrun would have been significant, but the players took pay cuts to keep them under.

The minor overrun in 1990 and the prospective large one in 1991 was due to incentives in contracts, where payments were driven by players making rep teams.

Those are the facts.

 

[greeneyed]

Also, the issue of post football employment hinges on the guaranteed nature of it. The Raiders indicated that they would be prepared to consider a coaching role for Wiki post football, but could not guarantee it as they knew the amount of the post football contract would have to be counted to the cap. Wiki insisted on it being a guaranteed offer of work, post football, which is apparently what the Warriors have given and is alleged was not counted to the cap. This is why it is fair enough that Raiders management is complaining.

I personally can't see anything wrong with excluding post football payments from the cap, but that isn't what the rules say - and it appears one club ignored the rules, while all others adhered to them.

 

[Raider Ultra]

The Clayton 1990 premiers are whining again.

The fact is, you lime c**ks CHEATED your way towards winning a title. The facts are in black and white and your boys only got a slap on the wrist. You are deadset lucky that the title was not handed to Penrith.

Good karma though....but, you have been paying dearly for years with your medicority.

We still have our own club to support, and not a heartless merger

 

[Misty Bee]

I recall the sticking point was who paid for the big extention on Mal Meninga's house, rather than 'player bonuses' that they didn't expect.

Which players suddenly jetted to big rep careers in 1990?

Karma.

Not to mention jumping to Super League to keep Stuart and Clyde, who they punted a few years after anyway.

 

[Johns Magic]

Forget about the job after he retires, fact is he was offered massive $$$ to leave us, money that is now in question. We couldn't compete on the same playing field, and we lost an icon of the club as a result.

f**king pissed off.. :evil:

We lost Matt Jobson to the Warriors.

And you thought you were pissed off.

 

[innsaneink]

The Clayton 1990 premiers are whining again.

The fact is, you lime c**ks CHEATED your way towards winning a title. The facts are in black and white and your boys only got a slap on the wrist. You are deadset lucky that the title was not handed to Penrith.

Good karma though....but, you have been paying dearly for years with your medicority.

We still have our own club to support, and not a heartless merger

Youre accused of being cheats, lucky to keep your comp and this

is the best you can come up with?
Thats weak as piss, and embarrassing.

 

[Raider Azz]

Youre accused of being cheats, lucky to keep your comp and this

is the best you can come up with?
Thats weak as piss, and embarrassing.

that's because it's already been mentioned in this thread 100 times over you idiot, the Raiders only went over the cap as they had winning bonuses added into the contracts of many players. It was these incentives and these incentives alone that put them over the cap, not the systematic cheating of the Warriors or Bulldogs. How many times does it need to be explained? Do we need to dumb it down for you ink?

 

[Green Machine]

I recall the sticking point was who paid for the big extention on Mal Meninga's house, rather than 'player bonuses' that they didn't expect.

Bit wrong (as usual) Misty. The player took a pay cut to keep Ashley Gilbert

Which players suddenly jetted to big rep careers in 1990?

Karma.

Have you heard of Laurie Daley, Ricky Stuart and Glenn Lazarus who made the 1990 Kangaroo Tour?

Not to mention jumping to Super League to keep Stuart and Clyde, who they punted a few years after anyway.

Better than being run over by the Cartel from NSWRL,

 

[iggy plop]

The Warriors are about to cop it doggy style!