I am happy for discussion, but I for one, still rate him. He has been seriously stuffed by the structures put in place by our coach. Like many say on this forum about fringe players who are poor at one club but a champions at another... if he went back to the Storm, signed with the Broncos or any other club with quality coaching he would find his form again because they would coach to his strengths and not what Mary does and coaches them to adapt to his rigid structured style. Just my thoughts...