Rationalisation of Sydney

[Stallion]

By the time the NRL gets their shit together to be able to expand there won't be many Norths fans left.. no one in their teens today (the future supporters/market of the game) would of even been alive to remember the Bears in the top flight and wouldn't give 2 shits about whether they came back or not

If the bears are still desperate for for a team in the NRL they should be focussing on other more likely cities. If they, for example, went all out on Adelaide and even went as far as entering the "Adelaide Bears" into the NSW cup (or u18s or whatever), they'd be pretty good odds at being one of the favourites when expansion comes around, much like the Pirates are now.

The best bet for the CC getting a team is a larger share of Roosters games or a relocated Sydney team.

A reasonable alternative. But surely the NRL cannot be that slow? Then again.....?

 

[Perth Red]

By the time the NRL gets their shit together to be able to expand there won't be many Norths fans left.. no one in their teens today (the future supporters/market of the game) would of even been alive to remember the Bears in the top flight and wouldn't give 2 shits about whether they came back or not

If the bears are still desperate for for a team in the NRL they should be focussing on other more likely cities. If they, for example, went all out on Adelaide and even went as far as entering the "Adelaide Bears" into the NSW cup (or u18s or whatever), they'd be pretty good odds at being one of the favourites when expansion comes around, much like the Pirates are now.

The best bet for the CC getting a team is a larger share of Roosters games or a relocated Sydney team.

The bears dont have the money to do anything like that.

 

[MugaB]

Nope. But I certainly would not have went for 14 teams. Should have stayed at twenty. The Mariners and Adelaide franchises to Melbourne Storm. And then further expansion from there. Instead the idiots carved up generationally recognized clubs Australia wide and set the code backwards 20 plus years!

Losing Perth, Adelaide, and South Qld was the worst decision they made, but only in hindsight, back then the game afforded only to strengthen its core teams and fanbases that it could, RL strongholds, like NQ, were favoured over Adelaide, I'm in agreement, with central coast needing a presence, whether its the Cinderella story bears,
Or a "wests tigers" demerger and tigers represent northern sydney to CC, while wests remerge with Canterbury. But again history in all clubs will make fans upset, for me more teams will eventually weed out struggling clubs

 

[Stallion]

Losing Perth, Adelaide, and South Qld was the worst decision they made, but only in hindsight, back then the game afforded only to strengthen its core teams and fanbases that it could, RL strongholds, like NQ, were favoured over Adelaide, I'm in agreement, with central coast needing a presence, whether its the Cinderella story bears,
Or a "wests tigers" demerger and tigers represent northern sydney to CC, while wests remerge with Canterbury. But again history in all clubs will make fans upset, for me more teams will eventually weed out struggling clubs

The decision to go to that ridiculously low number was the mistake! It in effect minimized and constrained the growth of rugby league Australia wide . This growth was happening prior to the split.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

You still don't get it do you? The support of the Bears is more than just a packed North Sydney oval. It's both cultural and rivalry based with generational relevance. Something you don't count which means a lot going forward. Mark my words: THE CENTRAL COAST BEARS WOULD BE A LICENCE TO PRINT MONEY AND STRENGTHEN THE CODE IN SYDNEY AND THE CENTRAL COAST!

What use are fans of a club if they are not supporting the club financially? Also, what data are you using to measure these fans if they are not either attending games or buying memberships? Interested to hear your method.

How would the Central Coast Bears be a licence to print money? What diferentiates them from the other 15 clubs in the NRL that don't turn a profit?

 

[Stallion]

What use are fans of a club if they are not supporting the club financially? Also, what data are you using to measure these fans if they are not either attending games or buying memberships? Interested to hear your method.

How would the Central Coast Bears be a licence to print money? What diferentiates them from the other 15 clubs in the NRL that don't turn a profit?

No.method involved you idiot! Just cultural relevance and general sports fan knowledge.Along with common sense that stems from generationally widespread support bases that exist. And you clearly don't think they do exist. So we fundamentally dissagree. We move on with your negative chatter and other people's positive discourse!

 

[Perth Red]

3 Sydney games this weekend featuring 4 Sydney and 1 nsw club and the total attendance 31k, sigh. Only the eels drew anything like a decent crowd. Basically 6 Sydney clubs drawing 49k, less than 8k a club. So much for tribalism.

 

[Perth Red]

What use are fans of a club if they are not supporting the club financially? Also, what data are you using to measure these fans if they are not either attending games or buying memberships? Interested to hear your method.

How would the Central Coast Bears be a licence to print money? What diferentiates them from the other 15 clubs in the NRL that don't turn a profit?

They’d be lucky to be 20k with any interest, 10-12k with enough interest to show up and with another nsw mouth to feed yet more cannibalisation of corporate support. Good job they aren’t ever coming back!

 

[Stallion]

They’d be lucky to be 20k with any interest, 10-12k with enough interest to show up and with another nsw mouth to feed yet more cannibalisation of corporate support. Good job they aren’t ever coming back!

Wrong. You don't understand the geography and population density of Sydney and surrounds . We are discussing an area from the Illawarra throughout metropolitan Sydney and to the Central Coast. Until you get that in your ignorant head, you will fail to see the importance and relevance of these well established and Australia wide recognised clubs. These established clubs with generational support (perhaps not the attendance type support of AFL clubs-but still support ) are gold for this code going forward. You dilute them you dilute the overall support of rugby league and give other codes the opportunity to gain their interest.

 

[TheFrog]

3 Sydney games this weekend featuring 4 Sydney and 1 nsw club and the total attendance 31k, sigh. Only the eels drew anything like a decent crowd. Basically 6 Sydney clubs drawing 49k, less than 8k a club. So much for tribalism.

The Eels have had $350m of taxpayer money thrown at them and are having a good year. Their crowds will return to normal soon enough.

 

[MrE_Assassin]

Gee, theres so much circular argument in here that you could almost turn it into an episode of Contraversy Corner. Who gets the role of Buzz Rothfield?

 

[titoelcolombiano]

No.method involved you idiot!

Thank you for answering the question honesty. So you've agreed that if there is no method of measuring fans that don't contribute financially to a club through attending matches or buying memberships and merchandise.

Just cultural relevance and general sports fan knowledge.Along with common sense that stems from generationally widespread support bases that exist. And you clearly don't think they do exist. So we fundamentally dissagree. We move on with your negative chatter and other people's positive discourse!

What information are you using as a basis to claim that the Bears have widespread support?

We can only fundamentally disagree on our interpretation of actual information so we don't have a disagreement until you can show me the information that you base your claims on and if the information is true and credible then you may find that I do agree with you.

 

[Walter sobchak]

Losing Perth, Adelaide, and South Qld was the worst decision they made, but only in hindsight, back then the game afforded only to strengthen its core teams and fanbases that it could, RL strongholds, like NQ, were favoured over Adelaide, I'm in agreement, with central coast needing a presence, whether its the Cinderella story bears,
Or a "wests tigers" demerger and tigers represent northern sydney to CC, while wests remerge with Canterbury. But again history in all clubs will make fans upset, for me more teams will eventually weed out struggling clubs

Interesting that you think the western suburbs should merge with Canterbury as I’ve long thought the same thing. They could be known as the western bulldogs and play out of Campbeltown which to the best of my knowledge has a fast growing population and potentially new stadium upgrade with the new A-league franchise based there.

Do you think bulldogs fans would go for this?? as from what I can see they(Canterbury) have no home ground and attract poor crowds at stadium Australia.

 

[Perth Red]

Interesting that you think the western suburbs should merge with Canterbury as I’ve long thought the same thing. They could be known as the western bulldogs and play out of Campbeltown which to the best of my knowledge has a fast growing population and potentially new stadium upgrade with the new A-league franchise based there.

Do you think bulldogs fans would go for this?? as from what I can see they(Canterbury) have no home ground and attract poor crowds at stadium Australia.

They need to move to Bankwest’s stadium first to see if their fans can be arsed to travel half an hour or so to watch their club in a you beaut venue.

I’ve seen nothing to say Campbelltown is getting any serious upgrades, it is a poor stadium to base yourself in as is.

 

[greenBV4]

They could be known as the western bulldogs

That name is probably off the table, but yeah that merger would of probably been a better fit, but a doubt we will see a de-merger then a new merger

 

[Walter sobchak]

That name is probably off the table, but yeah that merger would of probably been a better fit, but a doubt we will see a de-merger then a new merger

Keeping on the mergers theme post the super league war would a merger between the dragons and sharks been better than the dragons and the steelers? Or what about a merger between the panthers and the eels?

 

[Walter sobchak]

They need to move to Bankwest’s stadium first to see if their fans can be arsed to travel half an hour or so to watch their club in a you beaut venue.

I’ve seen nothing to say Campbelltown is getting any serious upgrades, it is a poor stadium to base yourself in as is.

Would the A-league allow a franchise in only to play out of a dump of a stadium?

 

[greenBV4]

Keeping on the mergers theme post the super league war would a merger between the dragons and sharks been better than the dragons and the steelers? Or what about a merger between the panthers and the eels?

yes and yes

 

[Walter sobchak]

yes and yes

That ship has sailed now?

 

[greenBV4]

That ship has sailed now?

I just don't see teams de-merging just to re-merge with a different team, right pairing or not those merged teams are one team now and their fates are sealed together.