Rationalisation of Sydney

[titoelcolombiano]

Lol. If this is a discourse anyone should be in their rights to dissagree with the negative chatter!

I support your right to disagree with me but at the end of the day if the topic upsets you to the point of insulting anyone that disagrees with you then it might be time to take a step back.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Tell that to the AFL on Melbourne and top flight soccer on London. YOU BLOKES CAN'T COUNT! Your flawed topic is based on one of the highest populated regions in Australia! And you want to dilute the presence of the code. Amazingly dumb and proves you cannot COUNT! You have also failed in history and cultural studies !

Don't want to get technical here but in this fantasy situation you've created, wouldn't he have failed maths if you are claiming he can't count?

 

[titoelcolombiano]

I wouldn't call this thread "Rationalisation..... " "Irrational..... " more to the point. So negative and disrespectful !
However looking at a definition of the term "rationalisation ',it does mention innapropriate ideas/logic toward a topic. So its a correctly named thread but totally negative in its objective. Shame.

I love it how you had to look up the definition of rationalisation 48 pages into this thread and still got the definition wrong because your blinkers were on too tightly

 

[greenBV4]

However looking at a definition of the term "rationalisation ',it does mention innapropriate ideas/logic toward a topic. So its a correctly named thread but totally negative in its objective. Shame.

Rationalisation:
the action of making a company, process, or industry more efficient, especially by dispensing with superfluous personnel or equipment.
- Oxford Dictionary

Tell that to the AFL on Melbourne

Its always been thrown around, but talk of North Melbourne being sent to Tassie seems to be picking up again (after the news/rumour of AFL finally wanting to go to TAS), even from their own fans

 

[adamkungl]

The idea that removing some teams from Sydney will make the remaining ones stronger is pretty flimsy. At best it's about 30 years before they start seeing any fan growth as a result.

My reason for 'rationalising' Sydney is the gap between the haves and have-not clubs is getting larger by the year, and certain clubs could rapidly elevate themselves to 'haves', increasing their fanbase and corporate financial support, if they moved out of town to Perth, Adelaide, Wollongong or Gosford. For some clubs, a move is for their own good.
Easing the financial tension in Sydney and expanding the competitions national value are happy side-effects.

 

[Stallion]

I don't recall comparing it to the NBA

You did!

 

[Stallion]

Rationalisation:
the action of making a company, process, or industry more efficient, especially by dispensing with superfluous personnel or equipment.
- Oxford Dictionary

Its always been thrown around, but talk of North Melbourne being sent to Tassie seems to be picking up again (after the news/rumour of AFL finally wanting to go to TAS), even from their own fans

It's absolutely talk. Just doing its job to throw a gullible bunch of people in another code off the scent!

 

[titoelcolombiano]

You did!

You might want to go back and read the post again.

 

[flippikat]

The idea that removing some teams from Sydney will make the remaining ones stronger is pretty flimsy. At best it's about 30 years before they start seeing any fan growth as a result.

My reason for 'rationalising' Sydney is the gap between the haves and have-not clubs is getting larger by the year, and certain clubs could rapidly elevate themselves to 'haves', increasing their fanbase and corporate financial support, if they moved out of town to Perth, Adelaide, Wollongong or Gosford. For some clubs, a move is for their own good.
Easing the financial tension in Sydney and expanding the competitions national value are happy side-effects.

That's my reasoning too. The gap between the haves and the have-nots is only going to grow with the stadium upgrades that began with Bankwest.

The clubs that don't currently base themselves at one of the 3 modern stadiums have some big decisions to make.

 

[MrE_Assassin]

 

[Stallion]

You might want to go back and read the post again.

You mentioned the NBA in your rant.

 

[TheFrog]

Perth, Adelaide, Wollongong or Gosford.

Perth, Adelaide, Wollongong and Gosford, huh? Three of which have already had teams that could not continue, teams that were not even lifted from Sydney. The fourth, Gosford, is in no better shape than Wollongong to support a franchise long term.

There is a reason the NRL are hastening slowly on this. The pitfalls are many.

 

[Stallion]

Perth, Adelaide, Wollongong and Gosford, huh? Three of which have already had teams that could not continue, teams that were not even lifted from Sydney. The fourth, Gosford, is in no better shape than Wollongong to support a franchise long term.

There is a reason the NRL are hastening slowly on this. The pitfalls are many.

Nope. The code is sitting on its hands! Their are people and influences within the NRL that are not acting in the interests /genuine growth of the code. The small growth is stifling and constraining. In my opinion it's deliberate and aimed at minimising/constraining the most popular rugby-league competition on Earth. The main attack that initially weakened the code was the "superleague " split. This divided an envied competition and allowed doubt as to rugby league's preeminent place as the unchallenged top code in Qld and NSW. From this, other codes have come in on the vacated and diluted areas with disaffected and disenfranchised fans having the excuse to now call footy "AFL" in NSW etc. It's happening but some don't see this. Others do. The "rationalisation " chatter is just a further weakening of the code in its major market Sydney and surrounds.

 

[Perth Red]

Perth, Adelaide, Wollongong and Gosford, huh? Three of which have already had teams that could not continue, teams that were not even lifted from Sydney. The fourth, Gosford, is in no better shape than Wollongong to support a franchise long term.

There is a reason the NRL are hastening slowly on this. The pitfalls are many.

You’re right there is a reason, nrl has sht administration with no vision!

 

[MugaB]

Perth, Adelaide, Wollongong and Gosford, huh? Three of which have already had teams that could not continue, teams that were not even lifted from Sydney. The fourth, Gosford, is in no better shape than Wollongong to support a franchise long term.

There is a reason the NRL are hastening slowly on this. The pitfalls are many.

I get your point, and don't mean to give a history lesson, but all 4 places ypu mentioned had a 1st grade rugby league team.
Illawarra Steelers, in Wollongong.
Western Reds, in Perth.
Adelaide Rams, in Adelaide.
Northern Eagles, in Gosford.

All had different reasons for their demise, steelers merged, Reds and Rams Culled, and Eagles packed up and reverted back to Manly.
All this happened in 1998-2002
I still think 20 years on the taste for league aswell as the growth in population could see these being viable again, but not before increasing atleast one more team in south qld somewhere.

 

[adamkungl]

The reason those places had teams is because the administrations of the time recognised the necessity and value of going fully national.

The reasons they failed are almost nothing to do with the cities themselves. Sacraficial lambs for politics for the most part.

"it didn't work 20 years ago" isn't a valid reason not to try again. No one successful has got there by giving up at the first failure.

 

[greenBV4]

The reason those places had teams is because the administrations of the time recognised the necessity and value of going fully national.

The reasons they failed are almost nothing to do with the cities themselves. Sacraficial lambs for politics for the most part.

"it didn't work 20 years ago" isn't a valid reason not to try again. No one successful has got there by giving up at the first failure.

Imagine if those 4 teams stayed in the comp!
If everything else went the same way we would now have

North Queensland
Brisbane
Gold Coast
Newcastle
Central Coast
Easts
Souths
Bulldogs
Parra
Penrith
Wests/Tigers
Cronulla
Illawarra/Dragons
Canberra
Auckland
Melbourne
Adelaide
Perth

18 teams and at least 1 in every major capital, only Brisbane 2 and NZ2 are really missing from that list, and thus rationalisation of Sydney would still be brought up, but it wouldn't be as big an issue.

 

[TheFrog]

I get your point, and don't mean to give a history lesson, but all 4 places ypu mentioned had a 1st grade rugby league team.
Illawarra Steelers, in Wollongong.
Western Reds, in Perth.
Adelaide Rams, in Adelaide.
Northern Eagles, in Gosford.

All had different reasons for their demise, steelers merged, Reds and Rams Culled, and Eagles packed up and reverted back to Manly.
All this happened in 1998-2002
I still think 20 years on the taste for league aswell as the growth in population could see these being viable again, but not before increasing atleast one more team in south qld somewhere.

The Steelers merged because they were broke. The Super League war would not have helped.
The Reds could not continue because of the onerous burdon of paying visiting clubs travel and accom, and very poor crowds in the Super League year, and were picked up almost whole and moved to Melbourne. If they ever get another crack, they need a better business model.
Adelaide was never viable and still isn't.
Northern Eagles was just Manly by another name to pick up the joint venture grant from the NRL.

 

[adamkungl]

The Steelers merged because they were broke. The Super League war would not have helped.

True enough, but 20 years on and Wollongong is a growing city while in the context of a national comp. the St George region has fallen behind in significance.

The Reds could not continue because of the onerous burdon of paying visiting clubs travel and accom, and very poor crowds in the Super League year, and were picked up almost whole and moved to Melbourne. If they ever get another crack, they need a better business model.

That burden should never have been foisted upon them. Completely ridiculous thing for a national competition to do. Clubs that can't afford to travel to Perth once a season should have folded. There's a good criteria.

Adelaide was never viable and still isn't.

Nonsense.

Northern Eagles was just Manly by another name to pick up the joint venture grant from the NRL.

Again true enough, the merger was a disaster, but that isn't a reflection on the Central Coast at all.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

You mentioned the NBA in your rant.

No mate, nice try. I'll wait til you actually go and read the post again.