Rationalisation of Sydney

[siv]

Serous Siv. You honestly think those clubs are growing. Poor old Newtown and the Bears are nth anywhere near the top flight status. The others you mention are not known by the mainstream public . It's top.flight status or zero as far as notable growth for any club . That's the way it is in Australia. Sure you can get your boutique speciality clubs with beer festivals etc but they are not mainstream discourse/knowledge.

If you compare them today to 2005 there has been growth. Small but steady growth

7000 turning up to a Jets games is evidence of steady growth

 

[siv]

No, if anything it is showing that there can be life beyond NRL and dropping down a level doesn't have to be a death knell for Sydney clubs.

Or that fans are not interested in Thursday night football as they enjoy sitting on a hill on the weekend as the NRL product turns more and more into a pure TV product

 

[Stallion]

If you compare them today to 2005 there has been growth. Small but steady growth

7000 turning up to a Jets games is evidence of steady growth

Yes. It's slow and limited. Like I stated the boutique event market : yes. But widespread mainstream notoriety? No. That's their reality. You get in the Big League : You are in the Big League. And you get Big League status and respect. The fans love it.The kids love it. Players love it. And sponsors love it.

 

[Bojackhorseman]

Yes. It's slow and limited. Like I stated the boutique event market : yes. But widespread mainstream notoriety? No. That's their reality. You get in the Big League : You are in the Big League. And you get Big League status and respect. The fans love it.The kids love it. Players love it. And sponsors love it.

This takes melodramatic to another level

 

[MugaB]

Too right!

If the NRL did have a say or was able to offer incentive then I think a team, whose home ground is under reconstruction for X amount of years could temporarily relocate to a proposed/possible expansion city for those years. The incentive the NRL could offer is flights or cash or whatever. This could then guage what level of support there is for a full time rugby league team in that city/area. Seeing as the majority of teams awaiting construction are Sydney/NSW teams anyway, the club can still stay engaged with Sydney based fans and offer memberships for tickets to ALL their away games in Sydney.

This way you can still boost crowds in other stadia in Sydney (admittedly it would be reflected on the Home teams' attendance for the night) but you can also capitalise on the potential new market without a full time commitment. If the numbers are favourable over the 2-3 years they are based there then the NRL could look at dropping a club there..... or the club that has temporarily located there might like it an make the move permanent.

Eg: Sharks could take up Perth as their home for the 2 year build of their leagues club (I know they put the vote to their members but this is hypothetical)
Roosters could have gone to CC or Adelaide for the 3 year build of Allianz (even if they only attract a small crowd in Adelaide, say 8,000, this may still be more that the averages they get out of Allianz)
Souths/Bulldogs/Whoever could send their ganes to NZ.

Grow the regular interest in the game in the areas you want to move to/establish in, test the year in/year out market and then you have a better idea rather than the handful of games that are sent there through the year. The biggest burden might be the compansation to the clubs that go there.

Just an idea but happy to hear others' thoughts on it.

Yes well i did just put this idea out a few posts back, but only do it for 5 matches

 

[Dark Corner]

Yes. It's slow and limited. Like I stated the boutique event market : yes. But widespread mainstream notoriety? No. That's their reality. You get in the Big League : You are in the Big League. And you get Big League status and respect. The fans love it.The kids love it. Players love it. And sponsors love it.

Thats why we need need 1 Rugby Code as watching the Jets v North Sydney would work but the day the tossers from World Rugby to admit that there world cup could be better under League rules but you never now...get Twiggy on bored as Australia is League but we need to gate crash the Union party.

 

[Stallion]

Thats why we need need 1 Rugby Code as watching the Jets v North Sydney would work but the day the tossers from World Rugby to admit that there world cup could be better under League rules but you never now...get Twiggy on bored as Australia is League but we need to gate crash the Union party.

It's actually not too hard a task really. Someone needs to gain a presence on the elite private schools (which has happened by parental protest in IPA schools in Brisbane )in NSW. From there a positive flow on will occur. Atm the upper echelons of society and business begrudgingly give rugby-league sponsorship. A superior sports product is being held back by a union bias in all sorts of influential places which has led to no government funding for rugby league in numerous places around the world. THE GSAIF organisation is only now having rugby-league on a two year trial status as an international sport. The status is laughable as rugby-league has clearly had many international tournaments in its history but Union has been wielding it's influence to make sure league is thwarted or repressed.

 

[MrE_Assassin]

Yes well i did just put this idea out a few posts back, but only do it for 5 matches

Yeah, I saw your post but a token 5 games isn't the same as a team in the city/area full time for a couple of years while their stadium is rebuilt. The NRL would have a more accurate understanding of how a new club might perform in a new market if a temporarily relocated club is there for a full season rather than a sprinkling of 5 games in a 25 round competition.

It's also a win for any club that does take it on because they can spread their name in a new market and potentially get new fans outside of their local market because they have invested the time being in the area. This avoids a forced permanent relocation of sydney clubs and allows the NRL to test the new markets they want to go to. If the temporarily relocated team is doing poorly on the field then this can also give a good indication of how that market will support a team when the chips are down.

Overall I think its a good litmus test that shoudl be looked into more by the powers that be.

 

[MugaB]

Yeah, I saw your post but a token 5 games isn't the same as a team in the city/area full time for a couple of years while their stadium is rebuilt. The NRL would have a more accurate understanding of how a new club might perform in a new market if a temporarily relocated club is there for a full season rather than a sprinkling of 5 games in a 25 round competition.

It's also a win for any club that does take it on because they can spread their name in a new market and potentially get new fans outside of their local market because they have invested the time being in the area. This avoids a forced permanent relocation of sydney clubs and allows the NRL to test the new markets they want to go to. If the temporarily relocated team is doing poorly on the field then this can also give a good indication of how that market will support a team when the chips are down.

Overall I think its a good litmus test that shoudl be looked into more by the powers that be.

Good, its settled then, start a petition to send the Sydney Roosters in 2020, to play fulltime all their home games in Adelaide, and have their current 2019 members be able to enter any of their away sydney matches for free for the whole year.

Btw Wollongong, Leichardt, campbelltown, belmore, and redfern, don't even get that many games a season, i thought 4-5 games would wet an appetite for a packed Adelaide oval. Being around one game a month
But im all for keeping them their fulltime

 

[Wily Ole Dog]

Good, its settled then, start a petition to send the Sydney Roosters in 2020, to play fulltime all their home games in Adelaide, and have their current 2019 members be able to enter any of their away sydney matches for free for the whole year.

Btw Wollongong, Leichardt, campbelltown, belmore, and redfern, don't even get that many games a season, i thought 4-5 games would wet an appetite for a packed Adelaide oval. Being around one game a month
But im all for keeping them their fulltime

Great suggestion

 

[MugaB]

Great suggestion

Wait till you hear about the rest of my suggestions,
SOUTHS become the 2nd team in brisbane, under Wayne Bennett, for 2 seasons, nice little send off for the supercoach.
Sharks take 5 matches to Fiji/CC each
Bulldogs take 5 home games to Perth, 4 to Bankwest, 3 at Belmore

 

[siv]

Good, its settled then, start a petition to send the Sydney Roosters in 2020, to play fulltime all their home games in Adelaide, and have their current 2019 members be able to enter any of their away sydney matches for free for the whole year.

Btw Wollongong, Leichardt, campbelltown, belmore, and redfern, don't even get that many games a season, i thought 4-5 games would wet an appetite for a packed Adelaide oval. Being around one game a month
But im all for keeping them their fulltime

Won't suite the SCG Members

That where the attendance figures come from

Not real SCG members but loads of freeloaders

 

[Perth Red]

Yeah, I saw your post but a token 5 games isn't the same as a team in the city/area full time for a couple of years while their stadium is rebuilt. The NRL would have a more accurate understanding of how a new club might perform in a new market if a temporarily relocated club is there for a full season rather than a sprinkling of 5 games in a 25 round competition.

It's also a win for any club that does take it on because they can spread their name in a new market and potentially get new fans outside of their local market because they have invested the time being in the area. This avoids a forced permanent relocation of sydney clubs and allows the NRL to test the new markets they want to go to. If the temporarily relocated team is doing poorly on the field then this can also give a good indication of how that market will support a team when the chips are down.

Overall I think its a good litmus test that shoudl be looked into more by the powers that be.

I'm not sure it does really. The fans in the city will know that its a stop gap and arent likely to fully jump on board. I know for me if Roosters said they were playing all home games in Perth I wouldnt become a Roosters member and whilst probably attending majority of games wouldnt be buying into the Roosters. It wouldnt really show the corporate level of support either as businesses are not necessarily going to support an out of town club for one year so not really sure it would prove much TBH.

 

[siv]

I'm not sure it does really. The fans in the city will know that its a stop gap and arent likely to fully jump on board. I know for me if Roosters said they were playing all home games in Perth I wouldnt become a Roosters member and whilst probably attending majority of games wouldnt be buying into the Roosters. It wouldnt really show the corporate level of support either as businesses are not necessarily going to support an out of town club for one year so not really sure it would prove much TBH.

You need to understand something

SCG membership is a stadium memberships

At the SCG is a big deal. You buy a membership if your rich or sit in que waiting for old members to die

Then go to everything on offer Roosters Waratahs Swans and Cricket

Or share your ticket with friends as you can bring a few mates. And there are so many free tickets given away on top of that

 

[Perth Red]

You need to understand something

SCG membership is a stadium memberships

At the SCG is a big deal. You buy a membership if your rich or sit in que waiting for old members to die

Then go to everything on offer Roosters Waratahs Swans and Cricket

Or share your ticket with friends as you can bring a few mates. And there are so many free tickets given away on top of that

I dont understand why the NSW Govt didn't use this opportunity to wrestle away control of allianz from the SCG trust and put it under its Sydney SMC?

 

[taipan]

Good, its settled then, start a petition to send the Sydney Roosters in 2020, to play fulltime all their home games in Adelaide, and have their current 2019 members be able to enter any of their away sydney matches for free for the whole year.

Btw Wollongong, Leichardt, campbelltown, belmore, and redfern, don't even get that many games a season, i thought 4-5 games would wet an appetite for a packed Adelaide oval. Being around one game a month
But im all for keeping them their fulltime

Now that's a discerning thinker's post.

 

[MugaB]

Won't suite the SCG Members

That where the attendance figures come from

Not real SCG members but loads of freeloaders

Who cares?

 

[siv]

Who cares?

I guess only the SCG members if Easts get relocated

 

[Wily Ole Dog]

Rorters will never be relocated whilst uncle Nick is alive

 

[Perth Red]

Interesting in the Singleton interview on Matty johns podcast tonight said Souths were all but signed and sealed to relocate to gosford until Crowe came along and saved them.