Rationalisation of Sydney

[Stallion]

Yet we have had record tv audiences since the bears demise. Go figure!

Pray do tell how you think other codes will grab the area? Do you really believe super15, afl or Aleague are going to launch a club at north Sydney oval? Lol you do come up with some nonsense.
Like I’ve shown you there are multiple nrl clubs with 80kms of this corridor,there is a plethora of choices for anyone in that area tomsuport a reasonably close existing club. It simply does not need or justify adding another nsw club to an overburdened area when we have at least 4 better options.

Nope. You don't understand the geography and travel issues of Sydney. This is your repeated failure! Get that right and start talking sense please!

 

[Stallion]

How does 1 club take the place of 2 when there isn’t a club representing the area in the first place? I’m say that the nearest Sydney NRL club (Manly) expand their influence to include Gosford/Central Coast rather than just live in their Penninsula bubble where they are struggling to survive. That is replacing 0 clubs with 1 that already exists IN THE NRL! Therefore no need to waste an expansion spot on a rebranded defunct club when it can be used in expanding the NATIONAL footprint.

You keep saying there is a 1.7mil population in the Gosford/Northshore area but not all of those people are interested in NRL let alone rugby league as a sport. The Bears certainly didn’t have 1.7mil fans/members and still don’t. Those potential, currently uncommitted fans on the north shore have a club in the area if they want to be NRL supporters. Adding the Bears there isn’t going add much more to the total fan base of the NRL. How many of that 1.7mil population play rugby league? How many of that population actually follow rugby league? How many of that 1.7mil are members of Norths/central coast?

In typical Stallion form from what I’ve seen on the multiple threads you’re part of, you result to childish arguments and calling people “disrespectful” and “ignorant” when they hit you with a hard truth, a fact, or an opinion/idea that actually makes some sense. The only way they NRL and Rugby League as a whole loses is through close-minded people like yourself who would rather sacrifice national expansion in favour of their own one-eyed, ill-informed views of how the game should go backwards.

Stallion? More like My Little Pony!

Lol. Didn't like the use of population numbers. That matters . And decent development do not dismiss the potential of any population. Certainly hope you are not in development or marketing the code!

 

[MrE_Assassin]

Lol. Didn't like the use of population numbers. That matters . And decent development do not dismiss the potential of any population. Certainly hope you are not in development or marketing the code!

Anyone can jump on Google and look up a regional population. It still doesn’t prove anything. Brisbane has 2.4mil if not more. Probably deserves a club more than Central Coast. I think you can take the north shore out of the calculation as well as Manly is already in that area and it’s close enough to Sydney that people there can support any number of already established Sydney NRL clubs. With that in mind your potential supporter base in the central coast is about 325,000.... and that’s only if everyone in the central coast backs the Bears. Take your Bears butt-hurt down to Norths Leagues where you’ll be amongst your friends.

 

[MrE_Assassin]

Anyone can manipulate statistics to back their argument, Pony.

 

[Stallion]

Anyone can jump on Google and look up a regional population. It still doesn’t prove anything. Brisbane has 2.4mil if not more. Probably deserves a club more than Central Coast. I think you can take the north shore out of the calculation as well as Manly is already in that area and it’s close enough to Sydney that people there can support any number of already established Sydney NRL clubs. With that in mind your potential supporter base in the central coast is about 325,000.... and that’s only if everyone in the central coast backs the Bears. Take your Bears butt-hurt down to Norths Leagues where you’ll be amongst your friends.

You bring up an extremely valid point about Brisbane ! No knock there. The north Sydney & central coast are still significant. Remembering that they are established supporter best that have been deserted. Manly is loved on the Peninsula. It's not so welcomed elsewhere. I agree with Brisbane absolutely and as the CC Bears can be done with a secured market with a gain in consolidating the eastern seaboard on NSW then I see that as valid. I do agree Brisbane requires abother club for sure in front of Northern Sydney/Central Coast. However both are very doable and will benefit the code and make money.

 

[MrE_Assassin]

You bring up an extremely valid point about Brisbane ! No knock there. The north Sydney & central coast are still significant. Remembering that they are established supporter best that have been deserted. Manly is loved on the Peninsula. It's not so welcomed elsewhere. I agree with Brisbane absolutely and as the CC Bears can be done with a secured market with a gain in consolidating the eastern seaboard on NSW then I see that as valid. I do agree Brisbane requires abother club for sure in front of Northern Sydney/Central Coast. However both are very doable and will benefit the code and make money.

We’re not a National competition if we prioritise “consolidating” the east where there is 15 teams over establishing a presence in the west or south. The East coast of NSW is as consolidated as it’s going to get with the amount of teams already there. It just needs some manipulation. Putting in another team in NSW, new or resurrected, isn’t going to help the game.

 

[Perth Red]

Nope. You don't understand the geography and travel issues of Sydney. This is your repeated failure! Get that right and start talking sense please!

Answer the question. How will other codes claim the region when it is literally surrounded on all 4 sides by NRL clubs?

2.2 million in WA
2million in SA
2.5 million in Brisbane
505k Wellington region

If were going off population Gosford can get a club around 2050 when these 4 under represented areas have established clubs, if PNG still isn't an option!

 

[southwalesrabbitoh]

There simply is not anywhere near enough money to sustain fully professional comps in those countries and as such the better players would leave for nrl and SL anyway and kids would be less motivated To play the game in those counties. Whatbwe need is 2-3 teams from those countries in the top tier comps with a strong development league under them.

Yes, of course no team there would be full-time throughout, although a few players might be full-time of sorts, in that they would be coaching in schools. As you said about the travel from Perth, the same applies to the Warriors and the Catalonia Dragons. Fine just get rid of the Warriors and Sharks from the NRL then, obviously got to keep at least 14 teams in the comp.

 

[Perth Red]

Yes, of course no team there would be full-time throughout, although a few players might be full-time of sorts, in that they would be coaching in schools. As you said about the travel from Perth, the same applies to the Warriors and the Catalonia Dragons. Fine just get rid of the Warriors and Sharks from the NRL then, obviously got to keep at least 14 teams in the comp.

This makes no sense. I dont understand what you are advocating for?

 

[southwalesrabbitoh]

This makes no sense. I dont understand what you are advocating for?

Being realistic as to who can win the comp. If traveling is such an issue, which makes it almost impossible to win the comp from Auckland, Perth and Perpignan the i don't want them in the comp. Better to face reality and try and build RL in NZ, France and Canada.

 

[Perth Red]

Who says you cant win it because of travel? Ask West Coast Eagles or Perth Wildcats! Catalans have won the games oldest knock out competition already and Warriors have been in GF. Youre theory doesnt hold water and is certainly no good reason to get rid of the games only hope of having full time professional clubs in other countries.

 

[Stallion]

Answer the question. How will other codes claim the region when it is literally surrounded on all 4 sides by NRL clubs?

2.2 million in WA
2million in SA
2.5 million in Brisbane
505k Wellington region

If were going off population Gosford can get a club around 2050 when these 4 under represented areas have established clubs, if PNG still isn't an option!

It's a fairly obvious answer. Then again you ignore the information on geography and travel issues in Sydney. Already rugby union is gaining plenty of local relevance in northern Sydney. Most schools have union playing with little rugby league. That's a start. You will note or ignore that Brookvale Oval recently hosted a union match with17000 turning up (note this was bigger than the interstate union game at the SCG last weekend). As time goes on with less local rivalries in place the cultural significance of a code like rugby league will subside. A couple of combinations like no top flight local rivalry and lack of junior take up of the code lead to this ultimate withering. But you can't see this sort of thing being possible. There's your answer.

 

[southwalesrabbitoh]

Who says you cant win it because of travel? Ask West Coast Eagles or Perth Wildcats! Catalans have won the games oldest knock out competition already and Warriors have been in GF. Youre theory doesnt hold water and is certainly no good reason to get rid of the games only hope of having full time professional clubs in other countries.

AFL have 2 clubs in Perth, that IMO makes a difference, plus RL is more intense a sport than Ozee Rules, takes more out of you mentally i reckon. Catalonia won the Challenge Cup, that's different to winning the GF, getting up for a few matches every yr in the Cup is different to the Finals series, and that week in week out toil of a league season. Just ask Tottenham Hotspur fans.

 

[southwalesrabbitoh]

It's a fairly obvious answer. Then again you ignore the information on geography and travel issues in Sydney. Already rugby union is gaining plenty of local relevance in northern Sydney. Most schools have union playing with little rugby league. That's a start. You will note or ignore that Brookvale Oval recently hosted a union match with17000 turning up (note this was bigger than the interstate union game at the SCG last weekend). As time goes on with less local rivalries in place the cultural significance of a code like rugby league will subside. A couple of combinations like no top flight local rivalry and lack of junior take up of the code lead to this ultimate withering. But you can't see this sort of thing being possible. There's your answer.

Yeah, well that's the challenge just north of the Sydney CBD then, to get more kids playing RL in schools. But RU is getting more and more like RL in any case. Stop being so insecure, relax mun, if you think that RL as a product is good then it'll survive. The panic in Aussie RL in 1995-96 is embarrassing to think back to. The expanded World C Challenge, embarrassing.

 

[Stallion]

Yeah, well that's the challenge just north of the Sydney CBD then, to get more kids playing RL in schools. But RU is getting more and more like RL in any case. Stop being so insecure, relax mun, if you think that RL as a product is good then it'll survive. The panic in Aussie RL in 1995-96 is embarrassing to think back to. The expanded World C Challenge, embarrassing.

Not insecure. This code is vulnerable as it lacks genuine establishment support. You are correct it's a superior code. Think it's being held back and not getting the plusses it deserves as a sport in itself. Just calling a spade a spade. Just don't like seeing the code throw away ground when it shouldn't.

 

[Stallion]

Yeah, well that's the challenge just north of the Sydney CBD then, to get more kids playing RL in schools. But RU is getting more and more like RL in any case. Stop being so insecure, relax mun, if you think that RL as a product is good then it'll survive. The panic in Aussie RL in 1995-96 is embarrassing to think back to. The expanded World C Challenge, embarrassing.

A top flight club linked genuinely to the area will do wonders for junior development in northern Sydney. That's why the Central Coast Bears backed with strong support through the North Sydney Bears will reap more than just financial wins for rugby league. It will.bring back it's local relevance and reinvigorate a belonging to the best rugby competition on Earth.And clubs like Manly and Newcastle will benefit as well with genuine local derbies.

 

[southwalesrabbitoh]

Not insecure. This code is vulnerable as it lacks genuine establishment support. You are correct it's a superior code. Think it's being held back and not getting the plusses it deserves as a sport in itself. Just calling a spade a spade. Just don't like seeing the code throw away ground when it shouldn't.

"Vulnerable", lol, give over. Yes we rebelled against the establishment in 1895, so we're naturally not gonna get much support from monied people, but vulnerable is an exaggeration IMO. You are being insecure, generally the administration are doing a good job in a less than ideal situation as has been mentioned on here. But collision sports is not for everybody, football (soccer) will take over eventually due to concussion, and that's ok, ppl will still want to play and watch rugby league.

 

[Stallion]

"Vulnerable", lol, give over. Yes we rebelled against the establishment in 1895, so we're naturally not gonna get much support from monied people, but vulnerable is an exaggeration IMO. You are being insecure, generally the administration are doing a good job in a less than ideal situation as has been mentioned on here. But collision sports is not for everybody, football (soccer) will take over eventually due to concussion, and that's ok, ppl will still want to play and watch rugby league.

I'd like to think more people, especially from other not so common demographics.(upper class ) Have you ever noticed that rugby league is not played in any elite private school (GPS etc) in NSW?Only lately (last year in fact)that elite private schools have offered rugby league in term 3 in Brisbane as a result of parental demand! The parents complained that such schools were allowing other codes lie AFL to be played and still no rugby league. They got their point through which is remarkable but reassuring to know. It's the policy of Elite private schools against rugby league in NSW that is a major concern and issue for rugby league. Remembering that the public schools are allowing all codes. Only rugby league is on the outer in elite private schools of NSW. This needs to be addressed just like the parents did in Brisbane.

 

[Perth Red]

It's a fairly obvious answer. Then again you ignore the information on geography and travel issues in Sydney. Already rugby union is gaining plenty of local relevance in northern Sydney. Most schools have union playing with little rugby league. That's a start. You will note or ignore that Brookvale Oval recently hosted a union match with17000 turning up (note this was bigger than the interstate union game at the SCG last weekend). As time goes on with less local rivalries in place the cultural significance of a code like rugby league will subside. A couple of combinations like no top flight local rivalry and lack of junior take up of the code lead to this ultimate withering. But you can't see this sort of thing being possible. There's your answer.

So union can take over with one top tier club but nrl can’t hold it with 7 clubs in spitting distance? Stop talking drivel.

 

[Perth Red]

A top flight club linked genuinely to the area will do wonders for junior development in northern Sydney. That's why the Central Coast Bears backed with strong support through the North Sydney Bears will reap more than just financial wins for rugby league. It will.bring back it's local relevance and reinvigorate a belonging to the best rugby competition on Earth.And clubs like Manly and Newcastle will benefit as well with genuine local derbies.

And they can have one In 2050 after the 4 priorities before them are in!