Rd 17 TLT - Eels v Terrigal Warriors Sun 6.9.2020

[Poupou Escobar]

whiteanting

I find that term quite offensive.

 

[84 Baby]

I find that term quite offensive.

Sorry. Whiteinsecting

 

[Gary Gutful]

Pissanting?

 

[Glenneel]

After years of trying at different clubs, Payton’s plan finally worked. Seems like a bit of a scumbag, but none of that really matters if you can coach.

Although there must be a reason he kept getting overlooked for the top job elsewhere.

I think this comment is unfair. IMO assistant coaches need to move between different head coaches to not only learn the job but pick up tips and tricks to manage players, some who are real princesses (think Tigs players who don't like training). Talk about spoilt, I did triathlons and trained twice a day for 6 days and rested on Sunday as only trained once doing a 80k bike ride, and I wasn't paid $200k plus.

 

[T.S Quint]

I think this comment is unfair. IMO assistant coaches need to move between different head coaches to not only learn the job but pick up tips and tricks to manage players, some who are real princesses (think Tigs players who don't like training). Talk about spoilt, I did triathlons and trained twice a day for 6 days and rested on Sunday as only trained once doing a 80k bike ride, and I wasn't paid $200k plus.

It’s not about him moving clubs. More about the rumours he has been whiteanting his head coaches to try and take their jobs.

Only rumours but.

 

[TheRam]

SK drove the club into ground. He did same at Warriors. Terrible coach

Spot on as always Hindy.

I like you don't see why so many here think that Ricky was so bad for the club. Yes he was a di*k the way he did the projector thing and the way he left the club, but he knows what a good football team looks like and knew that ours was plop so he treated it that way.

He got rid of a lot of useless salary eaters and made BA's start a lot easier then it could have been. I don't like Ricky much by the way. He seems like a wanker unless he is getting things all his way. But that doesn't mean he doesn't know how to coach. It took him a while to be good at it, but the last 10 years or so he has been a very good coach.

As for SK, the less said about him the better, but I could not believe the Warriors actually hired him and then kept him around for as long as they did. The guy as a head coach is in my opinion the worst NRL coach of the last 20 years or so no matter what Pou thinks. But then again Pou is in love with mediocrity and can't pick quality(Joseph Manu) if he fell on it.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

The Warriors hired Brian Smith and Peter O'Sullivan to rebuild their club. Now they've got Gould. Kearney was just the coach. Nathan Brown will be just the coach as well. Winning requires resources, which translates to football department spending over a sustained period. The Warriors just haven't been doing it for long enough.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

It took him a while to be good at it, but the last 10 years or so he has been a very good coach.

He won a premiership in his first season ffs! Since then all he's won is a wooden spoon!

 

[TheRam]

Only a unicorn would think we have a definite top four side. I tipped us to finish sixth, so anything above that is a bonus.

Mate after watching how our team played in the opening 10 rounds or so and the calibre of players right across the board, only a donkey would think that we aren't a top quality side and should easily finish in the top 4.

Also by watching those first 10 rounds it showed that we should have gotten better in both defense and especially in attack as the season progressed. NOT considerably worse. Great coaches like Bennett improve their teams as the season unfolds(barring injury) and get them humming by the time the finals come around.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Mate after watching how our team played in the opening 10 rounds or so and the calibre of players right across the board, only a donkey would think that we aren't a top quality side and should easily finish in the top 4.

Also by watching those first 10 rounds it showed that we should have gotten better in both defense and especially in attack as the season progressed. NOT considerably worse. Great coaches like Bennett improve their teams as the season unfolds(barring injury) and get them humming by the time the finals come around.

That just means we were playing our best at the start while other teams weren't. Would you prefer if we also weren't playing our best at the start of the year? How good would it be with 2 or 3 fewer wins right now! We could be sitting in 7th!

As for Bennett he was responsible for these season finishes (or it was someone else's fault):

http://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/seasons/nrl-2003/brisbane/summary.html

http://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/seasons/nrl-2005/brisbane/summary.html

The fact is, if you coach long enough you'll have seasons where you shit the bed going into the finals, but you'll also eventually have seasons where you make the grand final. From there you're a chance of winning it.

Then you get coaches like Stuart, Hagan and Green, who won premierships in their first year or two with squads built by someone else.

 

[TheRam]

What f**ken fence? I'm putting forward really clear views. The fence thing is what you muppets throw out when I've hit you in the dick with logic.

You appear to be arguing that our recruitment is a team effort when you just said this to Pou.



That's logically inconsistent.

You were proven wrong on the recruitment. Maybe you'll be proven wrong on the issue of our performance.

Face it mate, you have it in for BA. In your world everything good that happens is because of someone else's involvement and everything shit is entirely his fault because 'he is the coach'.

My gut feeling is that he won't lead us to premiership but if he goes he will have left us in an amazing position.

And when we get a new coach I give it 6 months before you start calling for their head.

My fear though Guts is that we will finally get rid of him when we are totally sh*t again and therefore in a terrible position that will need rebuilding again.

Also considering the massive length and girth of my formidable and amazing dick you can't help but to hit it even with no logic.

 

[TheRam]

The Warriors hired Brian Smith and Peter O'Sullivan to rebuild their club. Now they've got Gould. Kearney was just the coach. Nathan Brown will be just the coach as well. Winning requires resources, which translates to football department spending over a sustained period. The Warriors just haven't been doing it for long enough.

Just the coach? Hahahaha...you crack me up.

 

[TheRam]

He won a premiership in his first season ffs! Since then all he's won is a wooden spoon!

Gould won him a premiership in his first season. Since then it took him a decade or so to realise what Gould knew all along.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

My fear though Guts is that we will finally get rid of him when we are totally sh*t again and therefore in a terrible position that will need rebuilding again.

Why would we need rebuilding again? The point of having a football department is continuation across changes in coaching staff.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Just the coach? Hahahaha...you crack me up.

He's just another member of the football department. The fact he is a figurehead of sorts leads dumb fans like yourself to fixate on him as the source of all success and failure. The fact Stuart won a premiership in his first season at a well resourced club and a wooden spoon in his tenth year at a basket case shows what a small part of the puzzle the head coach is.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Gould won him a premiership in his first season. Since then it took him a decade or so to realise what Gould new all along.

Gould wasn't the coach though. That's my point. The Roosters had (and still have) a lot of money invested in their football department. It's why the NRL recently capped football department expenditure - because the richer clubs were gaining a massive advantage there even while the salary cap was supposedly spreading the playing talent.

If there was no benefit clubs wouldn't waste the money.

 

[TheRam]

That just means we were playing our best at the start while other teams weren't. Would you prefer if we also weren't playing our best at the start of the year? How good would it be with 2 or 3 fewer wins right now! We could be sitting in 7th!

As for Bennett he was responsible for these season finishes (or it was someone else's fault):

http://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/seasons/nrl-2003/brisbane/summary.html

http://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/seasons/nrl-2005/brisbane/summary.html

The fact is, if you coach long enough you'll have seasons where you shit the bed going into the finals, but you'll also eventually have seasons where you make the grand final. From there you're a chance of winning it.

Then you get coaches like Stuart, Hagan and Green, who won premierships in their first year or two with squads built by someone else.

Oh jeez having to explain si*t to pot plants. Like I said we were playing well at the start, BUT not to our full capability(best) at the start of the season. We still had areas that were deficient that a better coach would have in my opinion worked on and actually sorted out by now and yes someone like Bennett would have totally nailed it and would be coming into our dressing rooms doing his little dance along the way.

But what we did show was that this team in the right hands is right up there with the best the NRL has to offer right now. But in my opinion due to BA's inability get the team to perform to their full potential and the attack being so bad in many areas they stagnated. Once the other teams started to gel and improve with their fitness and combinations and ours started to fatigue due to mainly a bash and barge approach to our games we have started to dismantle.

This is not so difficult to see. It's pretty obvious really. Our defense was solid, but not great no matter what the stats suggested. But our attack really let us down as the season progressed and eventually disintegrated to such an extent that it devolved our defense when the players tried to focus on our terrible attack. I mean Fergo zero tries FFS, are you kidding me!?

The coach right now is going round in circles with the players and in my opinion will not have the answers to resurrect the season to the extent to be competitive for the title. Which I think is damning because as I said earlier, this team gave us all a glimpse of what it is capable if we had the right head coach and supporting staff at the helm. If you were to do a complete swap of coaching staff between the Eels and Panthers in my opinion we would be leading the comp not the Panthers.

As for Bennetts record, his record over what 30-40 years is unbeatable and yes he has had seasons where he has failed, but most times that he failed the roster was probably not up to it or injuries took a part. In the years that he had a roster that was capable of winning a title compared to the best teams of those years, who knows what went wrong? But you can almost guarantee that he wasn't the main factor in bringing them undone. His record is proven and he will go down as one of the greatest of all time.

But BA has proven very little other then he is a middle of the road coach. He has not proven that he can even win a hard fought and against a ready to play quality team in any of his limited semi final teams appearances. He can't seem to get his teams to consistently play well against any team that brings their A game to us. Occasionally we triumph but generally we lose. That is not what the better coaches bring to a squad, especially with a roster as good as ours and in particular a forward pack that I consider at the very least as good as any in the comp.

This to me is just simply bad coaching. He doesn't know how to bring out the very best in his players over a sustained period of time. Not good.

 

[TheRam]

Why would we need rebuilding again? The point of having a football department is continuation across changes in coaching staff.

Yeah lets wait and see what transpires by the end of this lame ducks tenure. I say 50/50 either way.

 

[84 Baby]

Spot on as always Hindy.

I like you don't see why so many here think that Ricky was so bad for the club. Yes he was a di*k the way he did the projector thing and the way he left the club, but he knows what a good football team looks like and knew that ours was plop so he treated it that way.

He got rid of a lot of useless salary eaters and made BA's start a lot easier then it could have been. I don't like Ricky much by the way. He seems like a wanker unless he is getting things all his way. But that doesn't mean he doesn't know how to coach. It took him a while to be good at it, but the last 10 years or so he has been a very good coach.

As for SK, the less said about him the better, but I could not believe the Warriors actually hired him and then kept him around for as long as they did. The guy as a head coach is in my opinion the worst NRL coach of the last 20 years or so no matter what Pou thinks. But then again Pou is in love with mediocrity and can't pick quality(Joseph Manu) if he fell on it.

So 2016 had nothing to do with Stuart?

 

[TheRam]

He's just another member of the football department. The fact he is a figurehead of sorts leads dumb fans like yourself to fixate on him as the source of all success and failure. The fact Stuart won a premiership in his first season at a well resourced club and a wooden spoon in his tenth year at a basket case shows what a small part of the puzzle the head coach is.

Bullocks an average coach rarely if ever is fortunate enough or good enough to assemble a team that is hardened enough and has enough quality and experience to go all the way to title glory that that coaches inefficiencies don't find their way into the bones and psyche of the team and eventually turning it into plop.

As you pointed out those sorts of coaches can't do it after the second season because by that stage they have started to exert their mediocrity throughout the fabric of the club and eventually that club has to punt them to go forward again.