Rd 17 TLT - Eels v Terrigal Warriors Sun 6.9.2020

[TheRam]

Gould wasn't the coach though. That's my point. The Roosters had (and still have) a lot of money invested in their football department. It's why the NRL recently capped football department expenditure - because the richer clubs were gaining a massive advantage there even while the salary cap was supposedly spreading the playing talent.

If there was no benefit clubs wouldn't waste the money.

No one is suggesting that there is no benefit mate. Again with the hyperbole. The point is that BA is a mediocre coach that has not hired the best quality support staff, rendering our team to be known as flat track bullies at best.

Therefore he has stayed mediocre and so far is proving to all the world to see that he likes to stay that way by not improving the quality of the people around him. If he is to insecure to hire the best to assist him prepare the team then that in itself shows us his shortcomings.

 

[Soren Lorenson]

I would be looking at our succession plan in the next 12 months a bit like Souths have done and Dragons should do. Move in a quality young assistant like craig Fitzgibbon with a view to taking over at the end of BA's contract. If the team starts to seriously tank under BA then he is rissoled and the assistant gets promoted early. If the team is successful then BA stays as a mentor/HOF/ whatever he wants.

 

[TheRam]

So 2016 had nothing to do with Stuart?

Ricky was just reacting to a very out of balance and overall terrible roster. He could of probably handled it more delicately but delicate isn't one of Ricky's stronger suits. He came into do a job and he though wtf I am going to do this quickly and without compassion. So he did. After all our club was a basket case at the time so he was probably thinking he is going to make a statement at the time and put everybody on notice. Kind of what Mag is doing at the Tigers right now.

Like I said, he saved BA of a lot of headaches really. He gave him a cleaner roster to go forward with. And like I said, I am not a huge Ricky fan but he did do, while here, what needed to be done. He just wasn't here long enough to see it through.

 

[TheRam]

I would be looking at our succession plan in the next 12 months a bit like Souths have done and Dragons should do. Move in a quality young assistant like craig Fitzgibbon with a view to taking over at the end of BA's contract. If the team starts to seriously tank under BA then he is rissoled and the assistant gets promoted early. If the team is successful then BA stays as a mentor/HOF/ whatever he wants.

No.

BA would not in my opinion be up for that at all. I think he sees himself as a head coach for at least a decade or more still. He is to young to be thinking 2 or 3 more seasons and then I am done completely as head coach. Especially if he hasn't won a title yet.

Besides who is this Fitzgibbon like protégé that you have identified anyway? Aso we have a HOF that is doing just fine so why would you change that? As for finding him some other role, like what head of mediocrity(HOM)? Or even worse head of Plop(HOP)?

 

[Soren Lorenson]

No.

BA would not in my opinion be up for that at all. I think he sees himself as a head coach for at least a decade or more still. He is to young to be thinking 2 or 3 more seasons and then I am done completely as head coach. Especially if he hasn't won a title yet.

Besides who is this Fitzgibbon like protégé that you have identified anyway? Aso we have a HOF that is doing just fine so why would you change that? As for finding him some other role, like what head of mediocrity(HOM)? Or even worse head of Plop(HOP)?

Don't f**ken No me @TheRam.
Anyway, what part of succession planning doesn't make sense? Any good organisation does it and it would allay your fear of us falling into a hole before anything is done and having to rebuild again.

I'm not commenting on whether or not BA would be up for it, I'm suggesting it's what we should do. And I haven't identified anyone, that would be the job of MON and Jim Sarantinos. In fact, if the powers that be aren't doing it already, then they are not doing their jobs properly. Remember, BA is an employee, not the king of Parramatta. The CO and the Board should be doing what is best for the Eels, not what's best for BA.

 

[84 Baby]

Ricky was just reacting to a very out of balance and overall terrible roster. He could of probably handled it more delicately but delicate isn't one of Ricky's stronger suits. He came into do a job and he though wtf I am going to do this quickly and without compassion. So he did. After all our club was a basket case at the time so he was probably thinking he is going to make a statement at the time and put everybody on notice. Kind of what Mag is doing at the Tigers right now.

Like I said, he saved BA of a lot of headaches really. He gave him a cleaner roster to go forward with. And like I said, I am not a huge Ricky fan but he did do, while here, what needed to be done. He just wasn't here long enough to see it through.

He also left BA a the makings of a time bomb. Granted it wasn’t Stuart’s detonating but I think to say he made it cleaner is very disingenuous

 

[hineyrulz]

@Soren Lorenson agree mate, I think we should be looking at alternatives if things go south for the rest of this year and next.


Fitzy is probably just waiting around till Robbo gets sick of winning premierships with stacked football sides.

 

[TheRam]

Don't f**ken No me @TheRam.
Anyway, what part of succession planning doesn't make sense? Any good organisation does it and it would allay your fear of us falling into a hole before anything is done and having to rebuild again.

I'm not commenting on whether or not BA would be up for it, I'm suggesting it's what we should do. And I haven't identified anyone, that would be the job of MON and Jim Sarantinos. In fact, if the powers that be aren't doing it already, then they are not doing their jobs properly. Remember, BA is an employee, not the king of Parramatta. The CO and the Board should be doing what is best for the Eels, not what's best for BA.

I agree that we should have a succession plan, for sure and you are right if our management aren't already planning it then they are an incompetent bunch of merkins. What I didn't agree with were your original suggestions. But overall you are spot on.

And I'll "NO" you whenever and as often as I want merkin and you'll just have to bend over and take it like a man.

 

[TheRam]

@Soren Lorenson agree mate, I think we should be looking at alternatives if things go south for the rest of this year and next.


Fitzy is probably just waiting around till Robbo gets sick of winning premierships with stacked football sides.

Fitzgibbon wouldn't take an assistant roll anywhere at the moment. He is very discerning in where he next picks to go and unless it is as head coach at a team that has a decent roster, I don't think he is interested. I mean he just turned down the Dragons gig and that is in his backyard FFS.

 

[Soren Lorenson]

And I'll "NO" you whenever and as often as I want merkin and you'll just have to bend over and take it like a man.

@hindy111 get your house under control

 

[Gary Gutful]

You guys are off your head with this Fitzgibbon shit.

I'm not opposed to us moving on from BA, but it needs to be an absolute top tier coach - Bellamy, Robinson, Bennett, Gould, Hasler. Otherwise, we are pissing in the wind and aren't materially improving anything.

 

[Gazzamatta]

Im wondering if Fitzgibbon lacks a little self confidence. He must have knocked back 30 jobs by now.

 

[hindy111]

What about hiring the first female coach?

 

[Noise]

What about hiring the first female coach?

I think Ruan Sims is better suited to Dally M voting.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

What about hiring the first female coach?

And a quota system for all races and sexualities.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Bullocks an average coach rarely if ever is fortunate enough or good enough to assemble a team that is hardened enough and has enough quality and experience to go all the way to title glory that that coaches inefficiencies don't find their way into the bones and psyche of the team and eventually turning it into plop.

Yet he doesn't have to because, as you stated, "Gould won him a premiership in his first season."

So it's not all about the coach at all. It's about the sum total of resources provided to the football department over a number of years. It's not some magical sign-the-right-coach-for-guaranteed-premierships as you seem to think. Your own statements contradict each other. For the record I agree when you imply the coach is just one factor among many. I disagree when you imply it is the overwhelming single factor responsible for success or failure.

My point is that it doesn't matter who the coach is if the cub isn't set up for success. And if the club is set up for success then the coach isn't a major influence either. In 2020 we no longer have the 80s-style god-of-football head coach. Now we have football departments, with various employees responsible for different roles.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Im wondering if Fitzgibbon lacks a little self confidence. He must have knocked back 30 jobs by now.

He's learnt it's not all about the coach. If he's not coaching the Roosters or Storm he'd need a lot of luck to win anything. He must be getting paid enough not to have to worry about picking up poison chalices.

 

[Gazzamatta]

He's learnt it's not all about the coach. If he's not coaching the Roosters or Storm he'd need a lot of luck to win anything. He must be getting paid enough not to have to worry about picking up poison chalices.

Or that!

 

[Gazzamatta]

Just wondering if BA has calculated Grant Atkins into his "easy fix" strategy.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I'm not commenting on whether or not BA would be up for it, I'm suggesting it's what we should do. And I haven't identified anyone, that would be the job of MON and Jim Sarantinos.

*Serdaris