Rd 17 TLT - Eels v Terrigal Warriors Sun 6.9.2020

[Gary Gutful]

If we win it'll be used as a weapon against them.

Use you as a weapon...

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

Use Pou as a weapon?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

We are going round in circles mate. Basically Ricky won a premiership when

Don't say 'basically' as if you know which factors were important and which ones weren't. It's all very complex and thinking you can narrow causes and effects down to a 'basically' statement shows how ignorant you are.

he first got to the Roosters, a very well setup club while it was still influenced by the man that set it all up and it was ready to rumble. After that Ricky's own style and management started to dominate and ultimately overtook Gould's work. Ultimately what Stuart brought to the table was plop at the time and severed to lower the quality and standards that had previously been in place.

Stuart never won a premiership ever again. Politis's reaction to stuart's supposed "it doesn't matter who the coach is as long as the setup and support staff he has is strong?"

Rissoled the merkin.

Well yeah, his two year win average dropped below 40% (which Arthur's has never done) and he got the arse, just like every sacked coach this year. I posted this last week. Get educated and read my posts. Every coach this year whose two year win rate dropped below 40% got sacked, while all the rest have kept their jobs. Here's a look at Stuart's two year win rate at the Roosters:

'02-03: 70%
'03-04: 74%
'04-05: 63%
'05-06: 39.5%

Considering the club got worse while he was there of course they considered enough correlation to think he was the cause. Fittler's retirement would have been massive too. Wayne Bennett said the captain is far more important than the coach.

Anyway, Arthur's current two year win rate is 64% so he is safe as houses, and rightly f**king so.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Use Pou as a weapon?

Use YOU as a weapon!

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

Use YOU as a weapon!

Death by blunt object.

 

[emjaycee]

Death by blunt object.

Is a circle blunt?

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

Is a circle blunt?

Are you fat shaming me?!

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

But what?

 

[Gary Gutful]

Sorry, I meant "GO PISSANTS!!!".

 

[hineyrulz]

Use Pou as a weapon?

I know someone capable of doing that, the stuff he eats FFS!!

 

[Gazzamatta]

Anybody show some "effort" and watch BAs latest pre game offering? Certainly got me pumped.
I gotta stop watching these.

 

[Gary Gutful]

I liked the bit where he crushed a beer can on his forehead.

 

[Soren Lorenson]

I liked the bit where he crushed a beer can on his forehead.

Was it a Pissant IPA?

 

[T.S Quint]

I liked the bit where he crushed a beer can on his forehead.

Oh so now he’s stealing Wayne Bennett’s schtick?

 

[Glenneel]

I mostly agree GE as I do with Ram. You both seem to be singing from the same prayer book. Do I think BA is a coach that can win us a competition? Honestly, no I dont but like it or lump it hes here for another 2.2 seasons so Im hoping our heighreachy will recognise we need better support around him and ensure decisions are made by consensus.
Theres a good article on Fox this morning about Souths forward planning. Worth a read. Hopefully we are moving in a similar direction. Hang in mate. As Eels fans we know too well that it could always be worse.
Still a chance this year I hope.
Go you Mighty Eels.

Been hanging on by the finger nails for 34 years waiting for the holy grail, guess another 2.2 seasons is only a short time in comparison.

 

[Glenneel]

Not sure we have a premiership capable team but we’ve definitely improved in the last few years.

Addressing your question - the coach is the one that lives and dies by the sword. No problems with that, it’s just the way it is.

But I can’t think of a situation where a team fails and it’s entirely the coach’s fault. Just as it isn’t entirely down to the coach if a team wins. I just don’t see it that way.

But fans and administrators do, and the coach is the only one sacked usually. The players get off scott free.

 

[Glenneel]

Anyway, Arthur's current two year win rate is 64% so he is safe as houses, and rightly f**king so.

Impressive yes, but is this really a measure of success? If making the semi's each year is your benchmark of a good coach then you're happy, which seems you are.

However many fans, myself included, thinks winning premierships is the real measure. Along with a competitive team that fights hard for each win, have close losses and with a genuine chance to win the comp each year. Don't think BA has reached that standard yet.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Impressive yes, but is this really a measure of success? If making the semi's each year is your benchmark of a good coach then you're happy, which seems you are.

However many fans, myself included, thinks winning premierships is the real measure. Along with a competitive team that fights hard for each win, have close losses and with a genuine chance to win the comp each year. Don't think BA has reached that standard yet.

That's an incredibly high standard. I reckon Bellamy and Robinson are the only 2 coaches of teams that fit that bill. How do their squads compare to ours? Watching the Roosters last night - they are incredible. Full of superstars. We barely have any Origin players. They barely have anyone who hasn't played Origin.

 

[TheRam]

Don't say 'basically' as if you know which factors were important and which ones weren't. It's all very complex and thinking you can narrow causes and effects down to a 'basically' statement shows how ignorant you are.

Well yeah, his two year win average dropped below 40% (which Arthur's has never done) and he got the arse, just like every sacked coach this year. I posted this last week. Get educated and read my posts. Every coach this year whose two year win rate dropped below 40% got sacked, while all the rest have kept their jobs. Here's a look at Stuart's two year win rate at the Roosters:

'02-03: 70%
'03-04: 74%
'04-05: 63%
'05-06: 39.5%

Considering the club got worse while he was there of course they considered enough correlation to think he was the cause. Fittler's retirement would have been massive too. Wayne Bennett said the captain is far more important than the coach.

Anyway, Arthur's current two year win rate is 64% so he is safe as houses, and rightly f**king so.

Sometimes things aren't that complicated and fairly simple to workout. Stuart was a novice and very a arrogant coach back then who thought that he knew everything and needed no help or guidance from anyone. Phil Gould dedicated his newspaper column and also live on the Sunday Roast at the time to tear strips off him and publicly humiliated him. I for one couldn't believe it. It was probably the most full on personal attack I have ever seen a commentator give a sitting coach. It was amazing and I thought at the time that this is going to blow up massively. But instead Stuart quickly publically apologised to him and it seems that they quickly mended their differences. It was over before it even started. I suppose Stuart knew he would never have won an all out public battle with Gould at the time.

But it hadn't stopped Sticky from dismantling a roster that was the envy of the NRL and replacing it with plop. Hence why his average win rate dropped so significantly. It didn't happen through magic. It was at the hands of Stuart who was working at the time with a very professional club that had their sh*t together but the head coaches influence was way to great to prevent the rot and that is my point. It doesn't matter who you have around the head coach if the head coach is making the wrong calls. Therefore the head coach can and does have the most significant influence on a clubs fortunes if he so choses. Hell even if he chooses to take a back seat to the assistants, that decision in itself is the most significant decision.

You only reinforced my argument by posting his win rate percentages. Initially he had a great roster and within 3 seasons he ruined it. Maybe you should get educated and study history a bit so you actually know what happened during the era you are commenting on. I don't think you will find to many people that know of Stuarts antics back then that won't disagree that he was a crappy head coach and way over rated by many in the media and those early years still haunt him to this day with many still judging him by those years. I don't though and believe that he has learnt many hard earned lessons from his 1st decade or so as head coach and is now very competent and knows what is needed to be successful.

 

[TheRam]

But fans and administrators do, and the coach is the only one sacked usually. The players get off scott free.

You all say this, but its actually the players that are being sacked way, way more then any coaches. Players are constantly been shown the door by clubs. Sure there are way, way more players to coaches, but that isn't the point. Players that are deemed to be negative contributors to their clubs or not value for money are given the boot. Very rarely if ever do players that repeatedly under perform survive long term. At the very least their contract is reduced to represent their current standing in the game and performances.

The reason a coach gets the arse is usually always warranted due to worse then expected performances and generally the reason most of the players under that coach survive is because it is thought that the coach was the reason those players under performed. So they wait for the next, hopefully better coach coming in to sort out the wheat from the chaff.