Rd 21 vs Warriors

[betcats]

The tries you are blaming Mansour for are not his fault imo, the problems are happening inside of him, he wasn't rushing in and leaving a hole he was just overlapped, theres not much a winger can do there at all. The entire defensive line is f**ked, they were making breaks and half breaks with ease, every time they ran a couple players at Bryce they looked like they were going to bust us wide opne, the kid just doesn't have the lateral movement to defend any wider than backrow.

I can live with Mansours errors considering the return he provides us. The errors hurt but without him we are barely even in the game.

 

[billypilgrimnz]

- We were basically one set away from getting a draw. If Mansour's try hadn't been called back (incorrectly) for a forward pass we win. If Cleary kicks one more goal (which he only just missed), we win.

But if the refs had actually called the game properly, we would have given away two clear penalties in Golden Point. So you can't cherry pick good moments for us and ignore those shitty calls that kept us in the game.

On the subject of Mansour, he kept us in the game BUT he should be filthy on himself for letting that strip happen at such a crucial moment. It basically lost us the game.

 

[PenrithPanther45]

But if the refs had actually called the game properly, we would have given away two clear penalties in Golden Point. So you can't cherry pick good moments for us and ignore those shitty calls that kept us in the game.

On the subject of Mansour, he kept us in the game BUT he should be filthy on himself for letting that strip happen at such a crucial moment. It basically lost us the game.

exactly. if luke kicks that easy goal from nearly right in front at the start they win. in terms of mansour's try mentioned earlier, yeah it should have been a try but you can't say that we definitely win . who knows what happens, whether we get a bit complacent after that, if it fires the warriors up. in the end warriors were too good.

 

[Pomoz]

But if the refs had actually called the game properly, we would have given away two clear penalties in Golden Point. So you can't cherry pick good moments for us and ignore those shitty calls that kept us in the game.

On the subject of Mansour, he kept us in the game BUT he should be filthy on himself for letting that strip happen at such a crucial moment. It basically lost us the game.

Billy, I am sorry we lost, but if truth be told, the Warriors were better than us on the day. SJ's kicking game was immense. Only our stubbornness kept us in the game and we should take credit for that.

We have the youngest player in the NRL as our halfback and he wasn't overawed. We had 7 players 21 or younger. Our forwards gave as good as they got. The team is building to something special. Add Tamou, McKendry, Hiku and Whare to the roster next year and we are serious premiership contenders.

 

[franklin2323]

The tries you are blaming Mansour for are not his fault imo, the problems are happening inside of him, he wasn't rushing in and leaving a hole he was just overlapped, theres not much a winger can do there at all. The entire defensive line is f**ked, they were making breaks and half breaks with ease, every time they ran a couple players at Bryce they looked like they were going to bust us wide opne, the kid just doesn't have the lateral movement to defend any wider than backrow.

I can live with Mansours errors considering the return he provides us. The errors hurt but without him we are barely even in the game.

Bullshit. The try off the scrum was scored because Johnson saw the winger unmarked. He stays on his wing the pass isn't thrown and the try not scored. Whether Johnson scores himself is another question. I am pretty sure he made the knock on that forced that scrum.

He made up for the errors which is more then DWZ and Moylan did. So that's something point still remains we were under that pressure due to a poor 1st half from the back 3. Which is normally our strength

 

[mxlegend99]

Bullshit. The try off the scrum was scored because Johnson saw the winger unmarked. He stays on his wing the pass isn't thrown and the try not scored. Whether Johnson scores himself is another question. I am pretty sure he made the knock on that forced that scrum.

He made up for the errors which is more then DWZ and Moylan did. So that's something point still remains we were under that pressure due to a poor 1st half from the back 3. Which is normally our strength

Mansour isn't perfect in defence. But when his centre isn't doing his job there's not much he can do. No matter what decision he makes it's going to leave the team vulnerable somewhere.

Everyone inside him is getting carved up. What chance does he have at covering for them and himself?

 

[betcats]

Bullshit. The try off the scrum was scored because Johnson saw the winger unmarked. He stays on his wing the pass isn't thrown and the try not scored. Whether Johnson scores himself is another question. I am pretty sure he made the knock on that forced that scrum.

He made up for the errors which is more then DWZ and Moylan did. So that's something point still remains we were under that pressure due to a poor 1st half from the back 3. Which is normally our strength

No way Mansour is at some fault for that try but the majority of fault lies with Cleary who let Johnson get outside of him and Peachey who came in for that reason but didn't stop Johnson or the ball which he has to do, Mansour could of done a little better perhaps but once Peachey goes in and the ball moves past him then there isn't much the winger can do. If Peachey goes to cover Johnson Mansour has to go with him and over the centre, that's how these guys are coached to defend from a young age. Mansour probably could of positioned himself a bit better to cover the centre and his winger but even if he does once cleary and peachey miss johnson its just a simple draw and pass from the centre to the winger instead of a cut out pass.

 

[Pomoz]

Peachey being beaten in defence? Surely not.....

 

[franklin2323]

Mansour isn't perfect in defence. But when his centre isn't doing his job there's not much he can do. No matter what decision he makes it's going to leave the team vulnerable somewhere.

Everyone inside him is getting carved up. What chance does he have at covering for them and himself?

Players can always come across to cover inside outside they can't wingers should stay on their winger

 

[franklin2323]

No way Mansour is at some fault for that try but the majority of fault lies with Cleary who let Johnson get outside of him and Peachey who came in for that reason but didn't stop Johnson or the ball which he has to do, Mansour could of done a little better perhaps but once Peachey goes in and the ball moves past him then there isn't much the winger can do. If Peachey goes to cover Johnson Mansour has to go with him and over the centre, that's how these guys are coached to defend from a young age. Mansour probably could of positioned himself a bit better to cover the centre and his winger but even if he does once cleary and peachey miss johnson its just a simple draw and pass from the centre to the winger instead of a cut out pass.

Let them be beaten inside. We have numbers there on the wing we have no one to cover

 

[betcats]

Let them be beaten inside. We have numbers there on the wing we have no one to cover

Mate no offense but that is dumb as f**k lol get out of here.

 

[franklin2323]

Mate no offense but that is dumb as f**k lol get out of here.

You are saying. There's no possible way a 2nd rower or someone comes across to help Cleary?

 

[betcats]

You are saying. There's no possible way a 2nd rower or someone comes across to help Cleary?

Cleary was beaten, maybe he makes the tackle but Johnson had already done enough to pull Peachey and therefore Mansour in to create the try,. Theres more chance preventing a try in that situation if Mansour can make make a play on the ball or if the cover defence can get across to tackle the winger into touch, which is the other reason teams defend inside out, it allows you to use the touchline as another defender which is something that side has actually done really well at times this season. Like I said Mansour could of been positioned a little bit better to make it harder for them but once the ball goes past Peachey Mansour is long odds to prevent a try even if he is positioned perfectly. If he just stays out on the winger they score closer to the post.

If you are arguing that Cleary might of tackled Johnson with some help from inside him then the fault is Peacheys who didn't trust Cleary to make the tackle and went in to cover which in turn means Mansour has to go in. Mansour would of been told from a young age he has

 

[mxlegend99]

Let them be beaten inside. We have numbers there on the wing we have no one to cover

Like the guys who covered Johnson in golden point when he scored a try to win?

If he stays on his winger they just score inside him and get an easier kick. When several guys inside him are beaten the only chance he has is getting their and stopping the ball before he ends up marking 2 or 3 guys on his own.

He had no realistic chance at stopping the try thanks to what happened inside him.

 

[betcats]

Basically we got carved up on a nice play by Johnson. He skipped around Cleary and drew in Peachey and Mansour and delivered the perfect pass to put Maumolo over untouched.

 

[franklin2323]

Basically we got carved up on a nice play by Johnson. He skipped around Cleary and drew in Peachey and Mansour and delivered the perfect pass to put Maumolo over untouched.

I know Mansour can't do wrong in your eyes but how often does the Storm and others gets scored on like that? He is one of many players we have with poor defence. He doesn't shirt grab like Peachey and Bryce but rushing in has the same effect

 

[franklin2323]

Like the guys who covered Johnson in golden point when he scored a try to win?

If he stays on his winger they just score inside him and get an easier kick. When several guys inside him are beaten the only chance he has is getting their and stopping the ball before he ends up marking 2 or 3 guys on his own.

He had no realistic chance at stopping the try thanks to what happened inside him.

Did I say they were any better in defence? Look at Peachey jersey grabbing all the time. Doesn't make him a good defender because others are worse

 

[betcats]

I know Mansour can't do wrong in your eyes[/B] but how often does the Storm and others gets scored on like that? He is one of many players we have with poor defence. He doesn't shirt grab like Peachey and Bryce but rushing in has the same effect

He didn't rush in he followed his centre which is literally basic rugby league. He rarely rushes in anymore lol you are kidding yourself.

 

[franklin2323]

He didn't rush in he followed his centre which is literally basic rugby league. He rarely rushes in anymore lol you are kidding yourself.

Marking your man is also basic Rugby League too. He did the same thing for NSW. He has just gotten better at making the tackle so it doesn't hurt

 

[betcats]

No mate its not soccer you don't just stick to one man no matter what else is happening. NRL defences work and move as a unit. You don't just leave a big hole in the line so you can say "oh well its not my fault I marked my man". Mansour is a much better defender than he was 2 years ago, his decision making defensively has improved out of sight.

And seriously since when is Man to Man defence a thing in rugby league??? Ive seen and played it in soccer and basketball but never footy. OF course you try and number up but if the numbers are short you do not just run out and mark your winger and leave a hole in the line lol honestly find me a footy coach of any level who thinks that is how you defend in rugby league.