Rebuilding Phase

[Tommy Coco]

In 2011, we had 6 wins all season. In 2012, we have had 3 (granted there are still 7 rounds to go). How exactly is this reBUILDing?? Kearney and his crew were touted as the next big thing - but needed 5 years to get it right. At what point, in this so called 5 year plan, do we actually start winning consistently? Last year, we were told it would happen this year. Now, the Kearney brigade tell us it will be next year.

I am not one of those people who expects instant success. I know anything of worth takes time but someone please explain to me how I am supposed to have ANY confidence in Stephen Kearney? NO other club would have put up with this for this long and, IMO, our administration's decision to stick with this bloke is nothing short of a 200-1 gamble. How often do they come off?

Reading your posts it is understood that you do not expect immediate success, but I dont think I've read anything from you where you consider the player turn over and the bad luck we've had with injured players since 2010 and the effect it has had on us winning, this year is terrible for it. Granted all clubs cop injuries ewtc but we are mid way through a turnover, thoughts?

Come on mate. That's just wild conspiracy theory stuff... ;-)

In all seriousness, who knows anymore? It is a sad state of affairs. I applaud those who claim they can see the light at the end of the tunnel. I am sure it is there, somewhere. I just can't see it myself right now.

Go the Eels!

This is why I enjoy your posts.

Luke Burt should serve pots of tea to old moles playing king of the nile and have celebrity spins for them.

Funniest reply on the internet, well done!

 

[The EELiminator]

We could go worse, it would cost us money, and may or may not affect the future of the club, so no, I don't have to admit anything.

this should be good, please explain to me how we could be coming 17th out of 16 teams?

 

[SDM]

Wins and losses, for and against, giving up etc.

 

[SDM]

im a guy so i hope not or i'd be in trouble :crazy:

Not as much as your boyfriend

 

[Ashley Schaeffer]

There is absolutely no excuse for being in a rebuilding phase in a salary cap competition.

The salary cap means that every team should finish 12 wins 12 Losses. Those that manage their roster and keep their best players on the field should win more games, and vica versa. A team that has 9 wins and 40 losses has massive problems. You positive dudes can sugar coat it all you want.

 

[Ashley Schaeffer]

a 5 year plan is a load of shit. Too many variables happen over 5 years. Injuries, players leaving, Aging, Juniors not kicking on or signing elsewhere, off field issues....anything . It is just a PR spin to give the kiwi fool time with less pressure. No sporting franchise in the world hires a coach on the expectation of 2 dreadful losing seasons with a chance of success in year 5. 2- 3 year plan is feasible, provided there is a clear plan for improvement from year to year.

Any of you fans that are buying into the 5 year plan are delusional.

 

[strider]

its true - you shouldn't really end up in a situation where u have a shit roster cos there are opportunities to improve

it is true however that if you recruit/retain badly for a period of time you can get into a hit situation that might take a year or so to get out of .... but 5 years, 3 years of which are total shit, pffft, that's rubbish

 

[Ashley Schaeffer]

We have gone backwards in this 'rebuilding phase'. So Year 2 is worse than year 1. The players bought in as part of the plan aren't performing and if our best player (by a mile) can't see the liklihood of this plan being successful than he will likely be off too.

But we do have a guy who won't have played rugby league for 2 years coming to save us. & are paying overs for anybody we get.

Face it, the plan at this club is to pay overs for players and hope we get the right juniors come through at the right time to fill the holes.

Was Kearneys plan of introducing structured football and then buying the most ad-lib player in the competition a master stroke or what? Even better teaming him up with one of the most naturally gifted players the game has seen and asking them to play a boring safety first flat brand of football.

I am very reluctant to blame coaches for problems, but in this instance , a lot of the mess is the fault of him and the board.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

I don't think there is any problem with a 5 year plan being put in place to change the structure of our junior program to ensure there is a steady flow of players ready for nrl - this process would take time as most players in the system would start of as16-17 year olds.

However it is no excuse for the poor form of the nrl side

 

[spiderdan]

every successful club needs to go through rebuilding phases.

the quality of roster management though pretty much determines how far they fall during that phase. wayne bennett did it well at broncos. he knew when to bring in new talent so they could develop while the side was going well so that when he would let go of a player (and he is quoted as saying he would let go of players a year too early rather than a year too late) the team wasn't negatively affected by it too much.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

We have gone backwards in this 'rebuilding phase'. So Year 2 is worse than year 1. The players bought in as part of the plan aren't performing and if our best player (by a mile) can't see the liklihood of this plan being successful than he will likely be off too.

But we do have a guy who won't have played rugby league for 2 years coming to save us. & are paying overs for anybody we get.

Face it, the plan at this club is to pay overs for players and hope we get the right juniors come through at the right time to fill the holes.

Was Kearneys plan of introducing structured football and then buying the most ad-lib player in the competition a master stroke or what? Even better teaming him up with one of the most naturally gifted players the game has seen and asking them to play a boring safety first flat brand of football.

I am very reluctant to blame coaches for problems, but in this instance , a lot of the mess is the fault of him and the board.

Maybe it aren't all Kearney just a thought, we were worse in the 2nd year of hagan and also in Anderson's 2nd year (where we also recruited some decent players)

 

[Eels Dude]

We were never this bad under either Hagan or Anderson though. Really the only difference between Hagan's first and second years was a couple of games we needed to win but didn't and in a close comp thats the difference between making or missing the finals. It was the same with DA in 2010. Kearney on the other hand just brings us closer to the spoon... And still seems content and proud of the 'lads'.

 

[bartman]

a 5 year plan is a load of shit. Too many variables happen over 5 years. Injuries, players leaving, Aging, Juniors not kicking on or signing elsewhere, off field issues....anything . It is just a PR spin to give the kiwi fool time with less pressure. No sporting franchise in the world hires a coach on the expectation of 2 dreadful losing seasons with a chance of success in year 5. 2- 3 year plan is feasible, provided there is a clear plan for improvement from year to year.

Any of you fans that are buying into the 5 year plan are delusional.

I don't think there is any problem with a 5 year plan being put in place to change the structure of our junior program to ensure there is a steady flow of players ready for nrl - this process would take time as most players in the system would start of as16-17 year olds.

However it is no excuse for the poor form of the nrl side

Smartest posts of the day :thumn.

 

[bartman]

This is why I can't agree with the "anyone would be better surely" type of arguement. If we have to wait another 12 months to get the right man/woman for the job, then we may as well save the cash of a payout.

See, the payout thing is something I don't get.... firstly Kearney didn't have the coaching record to demand being given such a clause in his contract anyway, but that's beside the point.

Let's say the payout is $450,000 for sacking Kearney a year early. Let's also say that the average price for a 2013 season ticket is $300 - mine is a little more expensive in the stand, but I think there's all sorts of corporate membership packages now that can cost around double that?

The $450,000 payout would equal the money raised by the sale of 1,500 "average" season tickets. So if there is the chance that 1,500 of our (say around) 10,000 ticketed members were thinking of not backing up for 2013, then the club would lose as much money anyway as it would take to pay off Kearney and give the members some hope.

That calculation doesn't even factor in reduced sponsorship dollars, decreased merchandise sales and lower walk-up ticket sales, which are all very much part of the picture when you've finished on the bottom rungs of the premiership for two years in a row with a coach that many fans at the games (judging by comments) now consider a dud coach.

While we may expect the club to baulk at making this payout, on the other hand there comes a time when it makes good business sense to move early and spend that money (before membership renewal time), in the hope of off-setting potential future cash losses (from the decrease in STH/membership, sponsorship and merchandising) if Kearney stays....

Let Arthurs stay and have next year as coach (without much of an increase in wage, since Chris Anderson has already been hired and can oversee) and we won't even have the full cost of paying two coaches in 2013, giving us time without Kearney to search and find the right person and hire them for 2014.

 

[boxhead]

The 'rebuilding phase' is a gimmick devised by old men desperately searching for ways to cover up their smelly turd.

 

[bartman]

No longer a Kearney fan then, Boxy?

 

[boxhead]

There's only so much ineptitude you can put up with and so many lies you can whisper under your breath, refusing to accept the truth.

I admire people for their optimism about the situation, but if you survey all possible plot-lines, the only feasible one, unfortunately, involves a knife and a chopping block.

 

[The EELiminator]

There's only so much ineptitude you can put up with and so many lies you can whisper under your breath, refusing to accept the truth.

...unless you are a parramatta board member

 

[boxhead]

The difference is that we are not old men and therefore do not suffer from the affliction known as stubbornness.

 

[Ashley Schaeffer]

See, the payout thing is something I don't get.... firstly Kearney didn't have the coaching record to demand being given such a clause in his contract anyway, but that's beside the point.

Let's say the payout is $450,000 for sacking Kearney a year early. Let's also say that the average price for a 2013 season ticket is $300 - mine is a little more expensive in the stand, but I think there's all sorts of corporate membership packages now that can cost around double that?

The $450,000 payout would equal the money raised by the sale of 1,500 "average" season tickets. So if there is the chance that 1,500 of our (say around) 10,000 ticketed members were thinking of not backing up for 2013, then the club would lose as much money anyway as it would take to pay off Kearney and give the members some hope.

That calculation doesn't even factor in reduced sponsorship dollars, decreased merchandise sales and lower walk-up ticket sales, which are all very much part of the picture when you've finished on the bottom rungs of the premiership for two years in a row with a coach that many fans at the games (judging by comments) now consider a dud coach.

While we may expect the club to baulk at making this payout, on the other hand there comes a time when it makes good business sense to move early and spend that money (before membership renewal time), in the hope of off-setting potential future cash losses (from the decrease in STH/membership, sponsorship and merchandising) if Kearney stays....

Let Arthurs stay and have next year as coach (without much of an increase in wage, since Chris Anderson has already been hired and can oversee) and we won't even have the full cost of paying two coaches in 2013, giving us time without Kearney to search and find the right person and hire them for 2014.

How many of the 1500 'lost' season ticket holders would jump back in, full of hope , with Arthurs as coach? I expect none lol. The guy comes across rude as hell, he'd probably cost us another 1500.

Next coach should be signed On a short term deal, no more than 2 years. Next year would be about getting the best out of Kearneys players and providing optimism for 2014. Enough optimism to get Hayne to re-sign and fans to view potential for the club. With this roster we should be around the bottom of the top 8. not out of finals contention by week 6.

There is no optimism in regards to the current situation. Fans are negative, media is all negative , and the players play negative. Despite the positive attitude SK shows up to press conferences with after losses there is a negative stench all over the joint and the 'lads' play like they are affected by it.