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[The Great Dane]

Lol. That's not a contradiction ! You require comprehension lessons! A poor crowd on a given day can happen to any code or sport!? You have somehow mixed together the significant outside of Sydney support into a home game crowd figure? Wow! Go back to school champ! That is dyslexic!

Are you seriously saying that "Plus one side not performing and the other not well supported outside of their immediate area." and "You just don't get it. These Sydney clubs are Australia wide knowledge. They are way more recognised due to the tv exposure of the 70s,80's &90s. They are part of the Australian sports psyche!" and "Sevens Big League made the Sydney clubs household names throughout AustralIa." don't contradict each other?

Seriously?

I don't need to go back to school we need to get you out of them and significantly raise the minimum standards to become a teacher!

Your low regard for NRL clubs reflects a poor regard for the code. More positive thinking is required. Yours is destructive and diabolical.

Nice work tackling the arguments champ .

Lol. Perhaps you have understated them!?

No I most certainly haven't, you've overestimated them...

I was/am a Bears fan (it's complicated) and I basically knew every Bears fan in Canberra/Queanbeyan that participated in local RL during your glory years of the 70s, 80s, and (admittedly to a lesser extent the 90s), they were there, but they weren't in notably significant numbers and that goes for basically all the Sydney and Melbourne clubs (with the exception of your St. Georges and Collingwoods that is) and I highly doubt that was any different in any of the other major cities in the country.

It's kind of hard to believe now but in the 80s the Canberra Cannons were probably better supported in Canberra than any of the footy clubs in any code from outside of Canberra, and ACT rep teams in popular sports that had them were probably better supported as well to be honest (especially RU for awhile there, they got so popular that they had to give the team a brand other than just the ACTRU rep team, the Canberra Kookaburras) if rep teams had consistent seasons some of those sports would have become huge in Canberra given time.
I mean the Brumbies and Raiders at their worst were drawing more active support then any individual NSWRL clubs had supporting them pre-Raiders and/or Brumbies, ironically that probably isn't true of the VFL clubs but that is more a reflection of the demographics of Canberra in those times then a reflection of either sport it's self.

 

[The Great Dane]

So is Birmingham closer to London than Wollongong or Gosford is to Sydney?

Not even close!

It's 190km to Birmingham from London, 95km from Sydney to the Gong, 75km to Gosford from Sydney.

And just taking population into account Birminghams' got 1.2 million, compared to the Gongs 2.1 thousand and Gosfords 1.6 thousand that is huge.

Having a city the size of Birmingham as close to Sydney as Birmingham is to London would be like having Adelaide where Goulburn is! There simply isn't anything even slightly comparable in this country

 

[Stallion]

Are you seriously saying that "Plus one side not performing and the other not well supported outside of their immediate area." and "You just don't get it. These Sydney clubs are Australia wide knowledge. They are way more recognised due to the tv exposure of the 70s,80's &90s. They are part of the Australian sports psyche!" and "Sevens Big League made the Sydney clubs household names throughout AustralIa." don't contradict each other?

Seriously?

I don't need to go back to school we need to get you out of them and significantly raise the minimum standards to become a teacher!



Nice work tackling the arguments champ .



No I most certainly haven't, you've overestimated them...

I was/am a Bears fan (it's complicated) and I basically knew every Bears fan in Canberra/Queanbeyan that participated in local RL during your glory years of the 70s, 80s, and (admittedly to a lesser extent the 90s), they were there, but they weren't in notably significant numbers and that goes for basically all the Sydney and Melbourne clubs (with the exception of your St. Georges and Collingwoods that is) and I highly doubt that was any different in any of the other major cities in the country.

It's kind of hard to believe now but in the 80s the Canberra Cannons were probably better supported in Canberra than any of the footy clubs in any code from outside of Canberra, and ACT rep teams in popular sports that had them were probably better supported as well to be honest (especially RU for awhile there, they got so popular that they had to give the team a brand other than just the ACTRU rep team, the Canberra Kookaburras) if rep teams had consistent seasons some of those sports would have become huge in Canberra given time.
I mean the Brumbies and Raiders at their worst were drawing more active support then any individual NSWRL clubs had supporting them pre-Raiders and/or Brumbies, ironically that probably isn't true of the VFL clubs but that is more a reflection of the demographics of Canberra in those times then a reflection of either sport it's self.

? "plus one side not performing. ....." WTF! ?

 

[Stallion]

Not even close!

It's 190km to Birmingham from London, 95km from Sydney to the Gong, 75km to Gosford from Sydney.

And just taking population into account Birminghams' got 1.2 million, compared to the Gongs 2.1 thousand and Gosfords 1.6 thousand that is huge.

Having a city the size of Birmingham as close to Sydney as Birmingham is to London would be like having Adelaide where Goulburn is! There simply isn't anything even slightly comparable in this country

West Bromwich Albion is considered a London team. And I'm sure their are closeby areas near London. Just like Sydney has Wollongong and the Central Coast. You are so wrong. I'm sure you are dyslexic ! Your whole stance is wrong. You have no appropriate respect for longstanding associations for a locality and its fanbase be it localised and/or outside of the area. A really ignorant stance given the population concentration within AustralIa and its expansive geography .Really dumb thinking based on "if other places do this then Australia or the NRL must." So dumb!

 

[Stallion]

Not even close!

It's 190km to Birmingham from London, 95km from Sydney to the Gong, 75km to Gosford from Sydney.

And just taking population into account Birminghams' got 1.2 million, compared to the Gongs 2.1 thousand and Gosfords 1.6 thousand that is huge.

Having a city the size of Birmingham as close to Sydney as Birmingham is to London would be like having Adelaide where Goulburn is! There simply isn't anything even slightly comparable in this country

Ok. I'm certain West Brom is considered a London team? That's why I alluded to Birmingham. Notably we had others absolutely confident their were 4 EPL teams in London? Then they were corrected and now its at least 6 or 7. And more factored in if you include nearby towns. All adding to the various well known suburban clubs that are so well known and respected by sports fans elsewhere. These clubs have gained notoriety and recognition over many years. It adds to credibility of a competition. You seek to destroy such longtime credibility that is part of the Sydney NRL clubs! It's an astonishingly ignorant idea.

 

[mongoose]

West Brom isn't a London team but there are more than 6 football clubs in London across different the different divisions.

Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham, West Ham, Crystal Palace, QPR, Milwall, Reading, Watford, Fulham, Charlton have all played in the EPL

 

[ReddFelon]

West Brom is not considered "a London team", it's in the Midlands. It is considered a Midlands team. Your understanding of geography is shocking, please stay away from the HASS department.

There are six teams in London, four of them have strong fan bases (Arsenal, Chelsea, West Ham, Tottenham), Watford is located outside the city limits and can barely fill a 20,000 seater, Crystal Palace also struggles to fill their 25,000 seater.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

View attachment 19056 West Brom is not considered "a London team", it's in the Midlands. It is considered a Midlands team. Your understanding of geography is shocking, please stay away from the HASS department.

There are six teams in London, four of them have strong fan bases (Arsenal, Chelsea, West Ham, Tottenham), Watford is located outside the city limits and can barely fill a 20,000 seater, Crystal Palace also struggles to fill their 25,000 seater.

You're missing Stallion's point. Allow me to summarise:

Sydney NRL clubs are struggling for crowds – the solution is to add a tenth team to the city. This team should be a team that as of right now would have the lowest fan base of all of those Sydney clubs, the Bears, and they would play out of a suburban ground.


If this doesn’t happen the following will occur:

• implosion
• destruction of tradition, history and notoriety
• weakening of the code

I don’t see how you guys are missing this – quite logical – Stallion is secretly a genius.

 

[ReddFelon]

You're missing Stallion's point. Allow me to summarise:

Sydney NRL clubs are struggling for crowds – the solution is to add a tenth team to the city. This team should be a team that as of right now would have the lowest fan base of all of those Sydney clubs, the Bears, and they would play out of a suburban ground.


If this doesn’t happen the following will occur:

• implosion
• destruction of tradition, history and notoriety
• weakening of the code

I don’t see how you guys are missing this – quite logical – Stallion is secretly a genius.

You forgot one thing, mythical supporters from 20+ years ago who we can't actually prove existed will come out to support a team that hasn't existed for 20 years because they've literally spent all this time frozen in a cube and unlike John Wayne, when these guys thaw they're going straight to Fox League.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

You forgot one thing, mythical supporters from 20+ years ago who we can't actually prove existed will come out to support a team that hasn't existed for 20 years because they've literally spent all this time frozen in a cube and unlike John Wayne, when these guys thaw they're going straight to Fox League.

My bad

 

[LeagueXIII]

View attachment 19056 West Brom is not considered "a London team", it's in the Midlands. It is considered a Midlands team. Your understanding of geography is shocking, please stay away from the HASS department.

There are six teams in London, four of them have strong fan bases (Arsenal, Chelsea, West Ham, Tottenham), Watford is located outside the city limits and can barely fill a 20,000 seater, Crystal Palace also struggles to fill their 25,000 seater.

Watford is in Hertfordshire and is as much in London as Liverpool is.

So there are 5 premier league teams in London and 7 clubs in the other divisions of the Football League.

Watford average 20,212 this season and 93.7% capacity of their stadium on average this season.

Crystal Palace average 24,985 at an average of 96.7% capacity per game.

Both clubs have not had less then 20,000 to a game this season.

 

[LeagueXIII]

You're missing Stallion's point. Allow me to summarise:

Sydney NRL clubs are struggling for crowds – the solution is to add a tenth team to the city. This team should be a team that as of right now would have the lowest fan base of all of those Sydney clubs, the Bears, and they would play out of a suburban ground.


If this doesn’t happen the following will occur:

• implosion
• destruction of tradition, history and notoriety
• weakening of the code

I don’t see how you guys are missing this – quite logical – Stallion is secretly a genius.

Not at all, they would play on the Central Coast and draw on an area that is basically a rugby league black hole. Given the salary cap and the levelling of standards it may take a year or two to get into the groove again but they would be competitive and I would imagine they would average at least 15,000 in Gosford.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Not at all, they would play on the Central Coast and draw on an area that is basically a rugby league black hole. Given the salary cap and the levelling of standards it may take a year or two to get into the groove again but they would be competitive and I would imagine they would average at least 15,000 in Gosford.

True - but I don't think we need to add another NSW team to acheive this. A relocated Sydney team would settle in up there, connect with the community and draw the same without wasting a limited NRL licence that could be used in Perth, Adelaide, NZ and Brisbane.

 

[ReddFelon]

Watford is in Hertfordshire and is as much in London as Liverpool is.

So there are 5 premier league teams in London and 7 clubs in the other divisions of the Football League.

Watford average 20,212 this season and 93.7% capacity of their stadium on average this season.

Crystal Palace average 24,985 at an average of 96.7% capacity per game.

Both clubs have not had less then 20,000 to a game this season.

My point exactly, Watford is barely a London team, neither team is filling these smaller stadiums compared to a two team town like Manchester getting massive turnouts. The point being that oversaturation of teams doesn't create demand. I may have chosen the wrong wording, but the point was no one is asking Crystal Palace or Watford to increase stadium capacity, where Chelsea has thousands who miss season tickets despite having twice the stadium size of other teams.

 

[Stallion]

View attachment 19056 West Brom is not considered "a London team", it's in the Midlands. It is considered a Midlands team. Your understanding of geography is shocking, please stay away from the HASS department.

There are six teams in London, four of them have strong fan bases (Arsenal, Chelsea, West Ham, Tottenham), Watford is located outside the city limits and can barely fill a 20,000 seater, Crystal Palace also struggles to fill their 25,000 seater.

Your understanding of appropriateness is worse. Aren't you a union troll? And yes I don't reside in England and didn't bother looking it up on a map.

 

[ReddFelon]

Your understanding of appropriateness is worse. Aren't you a union troll? And yes I don't reside in England and didn't bother looking it up on a map.

Tell us again about the implosion! Face facts nobody cares about the bears. Sydney needs to drop 2-3 teams to develop scarcity which will increase demand, not expand so that the same fans are split further.

 

[Perth Red]

Guys can we have a pact NOT to respond to the troll? He infects every thread with his BS and his Bears/ Sydney/Union/Sunday nonsense and we keep biting and its killing every thread's topic area. I know its hard to let his stupidity go unchecked but he is clearly just looking for response to keep positing the exact same things in every topic so lets stop feeding him the opportunity and eventually he will go the way of the of the other trolls over the years.

The pledge: From this day forth I will not respond to Stallion no matter how stupid his post may be!

 

[LeagueXIII]

True - but I don't think we need to add another NSW team to acheive this. A relocated Sydney team would settle in up there, connect with the community and draw the same without wasting a limited NRL licence that could be used in Perth, Adelaide, NZ and Brisbane.

Disagree....there is a huge upside for the Bears coming back.

If a team were to move to Gosford who would it be? The only one that fits the bill is the Roosters and it won't happen.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Disagree....there is a huge upside for the Bears coming back.

If a team were to move to Gosford who would it be? The only one that fits the bill is the Roosters and it won't happen.

I don't know who it would be because relocation isn't ideal. I would suggest if a Sydney club is still struggling after they get a fair go with the new NRL funding and new stadia (in some cases) then the NRL would look at this sort of option before axing them altogether. At least it keeps the club in the NRL with Sydney fans still getting to watch them play regularly in Sydney as an away team.

I have no doubt that the bears could make a go of the central coast, I just don't think the NRL should grant another NSW licence instead of expanding to new markets in other states or New Zealand.

 

[LeagueXIII]

My point exactly, Watford is barely a London team, neither team is filling these smaller stadiums compared to a two team town like Manchester getting massive turnouts. The point being that oversaturation of teams doesn't create demand. I may have chosen the wrong wording, but the point was no one is asking Crystal Palace or Watford to increase stadium capacity, where Chelsea has thousands who miss season tickets despite having twice the stadium size of other teams.

They are filling the stadiums, they are basically full for each home game. Crystal Palace are increasing their capacity to 34,000. Watford have just completed refurbishments.

You can't expect teams to all be like Man U in a league of 20 it's impossible, you will always have the have and have not's it's just life. It all comes down to money, history and the size of the town /city a team comes from. Watford is a town of less than 100,000. How the hell are they suppose to be as big as Man U or London's big clubs. I would have thought it was common sense. The same happens in the NRL we have the big clubs and smaller ones eg Canterbury v Cronulla.