Redcliffe put their hand up

[titoelcolombiano]

Never mind not needing more, we need less! 10k in Sydney on a sunny sunday afternoon for the western "derby", suburban sides are not what this top tier of the sport needs!

Also agreed!

 

[Stallion]

Also agreed!

Kick the game while it's down but ignore it when the big crowds lob up! Pretty pathetic but consistent.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Kick the game while it's down but ignore it when the big crowds lob up! Pretty pathetic but consistent.

You are right mate about Penrith and Parra having huge fan bases - no argument there but that crowd on the weekend was pathetic. We need to do better than that as a game.

 

[Stallion]

You are right mate about Penrith and Parra having huge fan bases - no argument there but that crowd on the weekend was pathetic. We need to do better than that as a game.

Yes. But trying to use a poor crowd to justify further implosion is not positive at all? I'd rather look at the real issues of poor marketing, $25 parking fees, ticket prices etc. That's where the crowd issues are emanating from. Plus one side not performing and the other not well supported outside of their immediate area. That's where the parking related costs really come into it for their travelling fans. Is their a train from Penrith to the Olympic stadium?

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Yes. But trying to use a poor crowd to justify further implosion is not posatire at all? I'd rather look at the real issues of poor marketing, $25 parking fees, ticket prices etc. That's where the crowd issues are emanating from. Plus one side not performing and the other not well supported outside of their immediate area. That's where the parking related costs really come into it for their travelling fans. Is their a train from Penrith to the Olympic stadium?

They are all real issues, but you forgot one from you list..... too many clubs in Sydney

 

[Stallion]

They are all real issues, but you forgot one from you list..... too many clubs in Sydney

That some big lie and the real mistake. The three regions that we refer to as Sydney should have ten clubs. The population can sustain them and they are established. But your would rather the code below diluted in Australias biggest and most well known population base.Amazingly innept thinking.

 

[King hit]

They are all real issues, but you forgot one from you list..... too many clubs in Sydney

Go talk to my dad who had his Bears taken away if he thinks the NRL Is in Sydney’s corner because it definitely isn’t.

 

[The Great Dane]

Yes. But trying to use a poor crowd to justify further implosion is not positive at all? I'd rather look at the real issues of poor marketing, $25 parking fees, ticket prices etc. That's where the crowd issues are emanating from. Plus one side not performing and the other not well supported outside of their immediate area. That's where the parking related costs really come into it for their travelling fans. Is their a train from Penrith to the Olympic stadium?

Seriously you are either the least self aware person on the planet or a troll!

Every time you talk you contradict yourself.

 

[The Great Dane]

Go talk to my dad who had his Bears taken away if he thinks the NRL Is in Sydney’s corner because it definitely isn’t.

Firstly you've just contradicted every argument ever made about the Bears being kicked out, as they always go that once the Bears were kicked out Bears fans turned away from the sport en masse and NS became a "wasteland" for the sport, and following that argument as it usually goes your father should have stopped you from ever becoming a RL fan out of spite for the Bears being dropped out of the NRL and your whole family for endless generations should have been lost to the sport as they shunned it in the name of club that had folded long before they were born, obviously in this case that didn't happen...

Secondly your dad represents a member of one generation, there're what 3-4 generations that are still alive today that are old enough to have members that were/are Bears fans.
You know the sad thing about people, they die, and 30-50 years from now all the people that made up the Bears fan-base will die and the Bears memory will slowly die with them, until the point that like Glebe and or Annandale almost nobody remembers them, and cause nobody remembers them they won't hold allegiances to them, and they won't hold any sway on the population of NS opinion of the sport, no sway what so ever. Everybody will move on from the Bears, pretty much everybody already has, go ask your average 10 year old RL fan who the Bears are if you need evidence...

Thirdly how is the Bears plight an argument against rationalisation? It isn't is the answer as they aren't representative of rationalisation as a whole, they're just thrown out to muddy the waters.

Finally, your dad never had "his" Bears taken away, they're still around today, your dad could still be following them if he so chooses, obviously he doesn't otherwise you wouldn't be acting as if he lost something when he didn't... Frankly if the Bears meant as much to people as it's always made out that they did then they'd all still be Bears fans and following them attentively to this day!

Now can we please stop derailing every bloody thread with talk of the bloody Bears!

 

[The Great Dane]

That some the big lie and the stake. The three regions that refer to as Sydney should have ten clubs. The population can sustain them and they are established. But your would rather the code below diluted in Australias biggest and most well known population base.Amazingly innept thinking.

In theory the population of Sydney can sustain more clubs, but the NRL can't support as many clubs in Sydney as it has let alone more, so the NRL needs to be restructured into a multi tiered system so that it can redistribute the clubs that it has in Sydney across the tiers at levels that they are competitive and sustainable at and it can introduce more clubs including new clubs from Sydney!

You get what you want, the NRL is made much less top heavy making the top level of RL much more accessible to everybody from everywhere, the NRL is more flexible and able to respond to market pressures, and the NRL has more product and most importantly a much more varied product to sell...
Hell play our cards right and we could have Australia's answer to the EPL on our hands given time.

 

[Stallion]

Seriously you are either the least self aware person on the planet or a troll!

Every time you talk you contradict yourself.

? Misread from u I'd say!?

 

[Stallion]

In theory the population of Sydney can sustain more clubs, but the NRL can't support as many clubs in Sydney as it has let alone more, so the NRL needs to be restructured into a multi tiered system so that it can redistribute the clubs that it has in Sydney across the tiers at levels that they are competitive and sustainable at and it can introduce more clubs including new clubs from Sydney!

You get what you want, the NRL is made much less top heavy making the top level of RL much more accessible to everybody from everywhere, the NRL is more flexible and able to respond to market pressures, and the NRL has more product and most importantly a much more varied product to sell...
Hell play our cards right and we could have Australia's answer to the EPL on our hands given time.

Like I've gone over many times before the tiered competition won't cut it in Australia.It's top grade or oblivian. Simple as that. By ridding this competition of established and well known clubs is ludicrous thinking. You are basically eroding a familiar market base. I'm glad you have mentioned that the population numbers are realistic for ten clubs. This is progress and I commend you for this!

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Go talk to my dad who had his Bears taken away if he thinks the NRL Is in Sydney’s corner because it definitely isn’t.

What's his phone number?

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Like I've gone over many times before the tiered competition won't cut it in Australia.It's top grade or oblivian. Simple as that. By ridding this competition of established and well known clubs is ludicrous thinking. You are basically eroding a familiar market base. I'm glad you have mentioned that the population numbers are realistic for ten clubs. This is progress and I commend you for this!

It's not oblivion, Redcliffe, Ipswich, PNG Hunters all thrive in the second tier. Add to that, the shute shield that you keep quoting is popular is a second, if not third tier comp in RU

 

[Stallion]

What's his phone number?

So what are you going to say."It's really not hurting any fan base and rugby league!?" "Playing in a 2nd rate comp is OK! " "You will be getting over it one day or we can wait till you pass away." or "The other codes need help too!" ""Hope you like training runs and tweed jackets with a Pimms? "

 

[titoelcolombiano]

So what are you going to say."It's really not hurting any fan base and rugby league!?" "Playing in a 2nd rate comps is OK! " "You will be getting over it one day or we can wait till you pass away." or "The other codes need help too!" ""Hope you like training runs and tweed jackets with a Pimms? "

Pretty much, the Bears still exist. They can still be seen live at North Sydney oval and the occassional TV game. Redcliffe, Ipswich and PNG Hunters all thrive in the second tier - surely North's tradition and "huge" fan base are committed enough right?

 

[Stallion]

It's not oblivion, Redcliffe, Ipswich, PNG Hunters all thrive in the second tier. Add to that, the shute shield that you keep quoting is popular is a second, if not third tier comp in RU

You just don't get it. These Sydney clubs are Australia wide knowledge. They are way more recognised due to the tv exposure of the 70s,80's &90s. They are part of the Australian sports psyche! The Brisbane clubs & elsewhere are nowhere near the notoriety of the Sydney clubs. It's reality. Sevens Big League made the Sydney clubs household names throughout AustralIa. It's very different.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

You just don't get it. These Sydney clubs are Australua wide knowledge. They are way more recognised due to the tv exposure of the 70s,80's &90s. The Brisbane clubs are nowhere near the notoriety of the Sydney clubs. Its reality. Sevens Big League made the Sydney clubs household nameso throughout AustralIa. It's very different.

Really? Does anyone in Melbourne, Adelaide, Perth or NZ give a shit about NS Bears? I doubt it. Anyone in Sydney that does still care can go and watch them play whenever they like

 

[Stallion]

Really? Does anyone in Melbourne, Adelaide, Perth or NZ give a shit about NS Bears? I doubt it. Anyone in Sydney that does still care can go and watch them play whenever they like

Lol. That's farcical. I don't think you understand that people from eslewhere have a knowledge and respect for the Sydney clubs that you are not seeing. This knowledge is part of the competitions credibility. It gets people aware and interested in something that is not necessarily their's but something they could possibly be a part of. The Melbourne Storm and other expansion clubs are additions to this great competition as a result of this notoriety. You take away/disregard such reasons then you tamper with the competition's credibility.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Lol. That's farcical. I don't think you understand that people from eslewhere have a knowledge and respect for the Sydney clubs that you are not seeing. This knowledge is part of the competitions credibility. It gets people aware and interested in something that is not necessarily their's but something they could possibly be a part of. The Melbourne Storm and other expansion clubs are additions to this great competition as a result of this notoriety. You take away/disregard the reasons then you tamper with the competitions credibility.

Sydney clubs? Yes absolutely Rabbits, Eels, Dogs, Dragons have fans all over the country and overseas. The bears..... don't.