Redcliffe put their hand up

[Perth Red]

Deflection part of your tact when you are getting hammered! ? Can't answer the logic so you choose to escape via deflecting !

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Thread is about Redcliffe. Troll

 

[titoelcolombiano]

You still don't get it do you PR. By this club achieving such a high result means that their is achievable support about for this club. I mentioned the word dormant support a while ago. This is a feature for all the well established Sydney clubs and NORTH Sydney is no different except they have been shafted.

They had one of the lowest average attendances when they were in the comp. That will only be worse now after 20 years out of it

 

[Stallion]

They had one of the lowest average attendances when they were in the comp. That will only be worse now after 20 years out of it

Difference being their existence is somewhat heightened by tv exposure of old clips etc. People are also living longer so the many fans are still about. And young people surprisingly tend to respect history. And once properly explained they can influence and remedy a wrong outcome if given a chance. The obvious factors that may encourage something like the Central Coast Bears are: An existing underused modern stadium that is on a train line. It's location not far from Northern Sydney. A lack of top flight rugby league representation in both northern Sydney and the Central Coast. Increased local derbies for both Newcastle and Manly. Reducing the likelihood of locals in both areas warming to other codes like AFL or union. Strengthening the code in Northern Sydney and the eastern NSW seaboard. A relatively logistically easier establishment of a club. (Plenty of existing juniors in CC and potential to increase in NS) And the gaining back of lost fans plus gaining new fans the game has abandoned with the Bears shafting 20 years ago. Just a few factors that will help the game . Oh and I forgot the influential CBD of North Sydney will be backing rugby league again! But don't let advantages of this common sense strategy convince you as you still haven't acknowledged them yet reflecting where your thought processes really are. ( sadly not for logical rugby league advancement)

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Wtf has that got to do with Redcliffe?!
Peanut!

 

[Stallion]

Wtf has that got to do with Redcliffe?!
Peanut!

? idiot deflector!

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Difference being their existence is somewhat heightened by tv exposure of old clips etc. People are also living longer so the many fans are still about. And young people surprisingly tend to respect history. And once properly explained they can influence and remedy a wrong outcome if given a chance. The obvious factors that may encourage something like the Central Coast Bears are: An existing underused modern stadium that is on a train line. It's location not far from Northern Sydney. A lack of top flight rugby league representation in both northern Sydney and the Central Coast. Increased local derbies for both Newcastle and Manly. Reducing the likelihood of locals in both areas warming to other codes like AFL or union. Strengthening the code in Northern Sydney and the eastern NSW seaboard. A relatively logistically easier establishment of a club. (Plenty of existing juniors in CC and potential to increase in NS) And the gaining back of lost fans plus gaining new fans the game has abandoned with the Bears shafting 20 years ago. Just a few factors that will help the game . Oh and I forgot the influential CBD of North Sydney will be backing rugby league again! But don't let advantages of this common sense strategy convince you as you still haven't acknowledged them yet reflecting where your thought processes really are. ( sadly not for logical rugby league advancement)

Bears had one of the lowest averages in the league when they played in the comp and becasue of clips on you tube they will now return with more than 11 - 12k fans? Doesn't make sense.

You want north sydney back in to sure up the North Shore and provide Manly with a derby game, but you want them to play out of the Central Coast. How will this help RL in North Sydney? It is the younger generation that we need to engage and Bears playing at Central Coast will not generate new fans in North Sydney - just the very few old fans. How does this help?

You mentioned before your ideal NRL would be the existing 16 clubs plus Bears, Brisbane 2, Perth & NZ 2. So you are essentially saying that you would sacrifice any future chance in Adelaide to add another NSW team.

 

[Stallion]

Bears had one of the lowest averages in the league when they played in the comp and becasue of clips on you tube they will now return with more than 11 - 12k fans? Doesn't make sense.

You want north sydney back in to sure up the North Shore and provide Manly with a derby game, but you want them to play out of the Central Coast. How will this help RL in North Sydney? It is the younger generation that we need to engage and Bears playing at Central Coast will not generate new fans in North Sydney - just the very few old fans. How does this help?

You mentioned before your ideal NRL would be the existing 16 clubs plus Bears, Brisbane 2, Perth & NZ 2. So you are essentially saying that you would sacrifice any future chance in Adelaide to add another NSW team.

That's where you have it wrong. The Bears existing again with links to North Sydney will absolutely engender both a North Sydney and Central Coast fanbase. This is where we differ. I believe it's a market that has been abandoned and you don't Their are some big win wins in the scenario with the Central Coast yet it seems beyond your thinking!? I might add you have ignored an instant derby rivalry with Newcastle in your response. These are very tangible and realistic gains for rugby league but you dismiss them consistently ! Shame.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

That's where you have it wrong. The Bears existing again with links to North Sydney will absolutely engender both a North Sydney and Central Coast fanbase. This is where we differ. I believe it's a market that has been abandoned and you don't Their are some big win wins in the scenario with the Central Coast yet it seems beyond your thinking!? I might add you have ignored an instant derby rivalry with Newcastle in your response. These are very tangible and realistic gains for rugby league but you dismiss them consistently ! Shame.

Central Coast can be filled by any existing Sydney team with the same result. Engaging the CC fans, rivalry with Newcastle, keeping their old Sydney fan base, keeping an iconic brand in the league, keeping the relocated team's old Sydney rivalries alive. All of this can be done without adding another NSW team into the NRL, let alone one with the lowest average attendances back when it was in the comp.

 

[ReddFelon]

Central Coast can be filled by any existing Sydney team with the same result. Engaging the CC fans, rivalry with Newcastle, keeping their old Sydney fan base, keeping an iconic brand in the league, keeping the relocated team's old Sydney rivalries alive. All of this can be done without adding another NSW team into the NRL, let alone one with the lowest average attendances back when it was in the comp.

Quite literally you could have Manly become the Central Coast Sea Eagles, do it properly this time instead of trying to stick two and half teams together and abandon the whole three home grounds concept and you'd be just as successful at getting the Central Coast set up without the wasted money or space needed for the Bears.

 

[Stallion]

Quite literally you could have Manly become the Central Coast Sea Eagles, do it properly this time instead of trying to stick two and half teams together and abandon the whole three home grounds concept and you'd be just as successful at getting the Central Coast set up without the wasted money or space needed for the Bears.

Still missing the northern Sydney area which is big and influential and about to be lost. Their is no way North Sydney people will shine to a Central Coast Sea Eagles. And I guarantee the Sea Eagles fans will be livid with their team not being called Manly Warringah. The suggestion I put forward consolidates and strengthens the code whereas the alternatives, though well meaning are no good for the code and its supporters. You also lose that derby of Manly v Newcastle just like North Sydney v Manly has gone. These names of clubs build notoriety and longstanding relevance. They cannot be easily replaced and if they are, plenty of fans are pissed off! Simple as that.

 

[Perth Red]

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Thread is about Redcliffe. Troll

Still missing the northern Sydney area which is big and influential and about to be lost. Their is no way North Sydney people will shine to a Central Coast Sea Eagles. And I guarantee the Sea Eagles fans will be livid with their team not being called Manly Warringah. The suggestion I put forward consolidates and strengthens the code whereas the alternatives, though well meaning are no good for the code and its supporters. You also lose that derby of Manly v Newcastle just like North Sydney v Manly has gone. These names of clubs build notoriety and longstanding relevance. They cannot be easily replaced and if they are, plenty of fans are pissed off! Simple as that.

That's where you have it wrong. The Bears existing again with links to North Sydney will absolutely engender both a North Sydney and Central Coast fanbase. This is where we differ. I believe it's a market that has been abandoned and you don't Their are some big win wins in the scenario with the Central Coast yet it seems beyond your thinking!? I might add you have ignored an instant derby rivalry with Newcastle in your response. These are very tangible and realistic gains for rugby league but you dismiss them consistently ! Shame.

 

[Stallion]

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Thread is about Redcliffe. Troll

Just continuing on a valid discussion. Still note you are not mentioning others? You pick a stoush with me ? That's fine!

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Quite literally you could have Manly become the Central Coast Sea Eagles, do it properly this time instead of trying to stick two and half teams together and abandon the whole three home grounds concept and you'd be just as successful at getting the Central Coast set up without the wasted money or space needed for the Bears.

Could be a good move, especially if they can't find a Brookevale Oval solution

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Still missing the northern Sydney area which is big and influential and about to be lost. Their is no way North Sydney people will shine to a Central Coast Sea Eagles. And I guarantee the Sea Eagles fans will be livid with their team not being called Manly Warringah. The suggestion I put forward consolidates and strengthens the code whereas the alternatives, though well meaning are no good for the code and its supporters. You also lose that derby of Manly v Newcastle just like North Sydney v Manly has gone. These names of clubs build notoriety and longstanding relevance. They cannot be easily replaced and if they are, plenty of fans are pissed off! Simple as that.

You haven't addressed how you will fit Adelaide into the NRL in the future whilst retaining all current clubs and adding Bears, Bris 2, Perth and NZ 2. We aren't going to have 21 teams.

Bears are a waste of a licence unless they plan to be the future Adelaide club (which I would support)

 

[ReddFelon]

Could be a good move, especially if they can't find a Brookevale Oval solution

Realistically it's the only viable long term solution. The reality of the northern beaches is that they're a union breeding ground. The Manly Marlins and Warringah Rats are well established and it's no secret that between those clubs and North Sydney roughly a third of all professional union players are coming from those areas, Central Coast is a league hotbed, in addition there's nothing to suggest the Northern Beaches council will change their position on not supporting Brookvale, the Marlins and the Rats pull big crowds, particularly for amateur clubs, female participation is through the roof at the Marlins. Our member base is shrinking and that's only going to get worse given the current poor form and worse management.

A move to Central Coast brings in a larger audience, a better facility and a much larger junior catchment. It's easier to travel from Manly to Gosford than it is Manly to Western Sydney. There's a very valid reason why the Northern Eagles was done, the problem was that they got too hung up on appealing to the old fanbases. Centeal Coast Eagles would free up space in Sydney, attract better corporate support and the negatives are outweighed by the positives.

 

[jim_57]

Realistically it's the only viable long term solution. The reality of the northern beaches is that they're a union breeding ground. The Manly Marlins and Warringah Rats are well established and it's no secret that between those clubs and North Sydney roughly a third of all professional union players are coming from those areas, Central Coast is a league hotbed, in addition there's nothing to suggest the Northern Beaches council will change their position on not supporting Brookvale, the Marlins and the Rats pull big crowds, particularly for amateur clubs, female participation is through the roof at the Marlins. Our member base is shrinking and that's only going to get worse given the curemcu poor form and worse management.

A move to Central Coast brings in a larger audience, a better facility and a much larger junior catchment. It's easier to travel from Manly to Gosford than it is Manly to Western Sydney. There's a very valid reason why the Northern Eagles was done, the problem was that they got too hung up on appealing to the old fanbases. Centeal Coast Eagles would free up space in Sydney, attract better corporate support and the negatives are outweighed by the positives.

Back in the mid-late 2000's didn't the NRL have $6million on the table for any club wanting to relocate to Central Coast? It would be very interesting if they put a new substantial figure ($20m+) on that deal if any club would bite the bullet. Maybe even offer a reduced payment for a 50/50 split.

Obvious 2 candidates are Sea Eagles & Roosters, Sea Eagles because Brookvale is leading to a dead end and Roosters have invested in to the area. Catch 22 is Roosters would probably be better "recieved" at least initially, but hard to see them moving full time or even half/half with a new stadium being built for them. I'm sure if Sea Eagles took the chance it could be made to work this time around.

 

[Stallion]

Realistically it's the only viable long term solution. The reality of the northern beaches is that they're a union breeding ground. The Manly Marlins and Warringah Rats are well established and it's no secret that between those clubs and North Sydney roughly a third of all professional union players are coming from those areas, Central Coast is a league hotbed, in addition there's nothing to suggest the Northern Beaches council will change their position on not supporting Brookvale, the Marlins and the Rats pull big crowds, particularly for amateur clubs, female participation is through the roof at the Marlins. Our member base is shrinking and that's only going to get worse given the curemcu poor form and worse management.

A move to Central Coast brings in a larger audience, a better facility and a much larger junior catchment. It's easier to travel from Manly to Gosford than it is Manly to Western Sydney. There's a very valid reason why the Northern Eagles was done, the problem was that they got too hung up on appealing to the old fanbases. Centeal Coast Eagles would free up space in Sydney, attract better corporate support and the negatives are outweighed by the positives.

How pathetic! You have just abandoned northern Sydney. I can tell you are a rah rah for sure.Protecting a rugby union nest ! It's pretty obvious!

 

[Stallion]

You haven't addressed how you will fit Adelaide into the NRL in the future whilst retaining all current clubs and adding Bears, Bris 2, Perth and NZ 2. We aren't going to have 21 teams.

Bears are a waste of a licence unless they plan to be the future Adelaide club (which I would support)

That's a back up strategy. Remedies for the damage done to the code in Northern Sydney and securing the Central Coast are more doable and put other "threatening codes" in their place. The Adelaide scenario is a worthy long term pursuit no doubt.. Mending the problems in Sydney is achievable in the short term. Healing wounds and progressing would be the best tact.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

That's a back up strategy. Remedies for the damage done to the code in Northern Sydney and securing the Central Coast are more doable and put other "threatening codes" in their place. The Adelaide scenario is a worthy long term pursuit no doubt.. Mending the problems in Sydney is achievable in the short term. Healing wounds and progressing would be the best tact.

So, if you fill the 20 spots in the NRL, how do you fit Adelaide in at a later date considering that you have ruled out relocations or axing teams?

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Realistically it's the only viable long term solution. The reality of the northern beaches is that they're a union breeding ground. The Manly Marlins and Warringah Rats are well established and it's no secret that between those clubs and North Sydney roughly a third of all professional union players are coming from those areas, Central Coast is a league hotbed, in addition there's nothing to suggest the Northern Beaches council will change their position on not supporting Brookvale, the Marlins and the Rats pull big crowds, particularly for amateur clubs, female participation is through the roof at the Marlins. Our member base is shrinking and that's only going to get worse given the curemcu poor form and worse management.

A move to Central Coast brings in a larger audience, a better facility and a much larger junior catchment. It's easier to travel from Manly to Gosford than it is Manly to Western Sydney. There's a very valid reason why the Northern Eagles was done, the problem was that they got too hung up on appealing to the old fanbases. Centeal Coast Eagles would free up space in Sydney, attract better corporate support and the negatives are outweighed by the positives.

@Stallion there you go mate - from the mouth of a Manly fan!