Redcliffe put their hand up

[Pippen94]

The only people that care about the "good" are already fans, and in the Dolphins case there aren't enough of those fans to support an NRL club on their own. So if the club is going to be the success it should/could be then they have to attract new people in, and you don't do that by running out in a brand that huge portions of those potential new people have been conditioned to hate.

You are also conflating support that has been gained through mass exposure over generations with people supporting a club simply because it's a "historic" club.

The Dolphins haven't really had that multigenerational mass exposure, and what they did have of it would have largely been lost in the previous 30 years. But even if they did have a bunch of supporters in the countryside they don't really need a bunch of "supporters", they need steady customers, and the vast majority of a clubs' steady customers come from their immediate region.


Sorry but I'm not trawling 30 year old newspapers looking for articles.

But anyway, the Dockers were initially announced as the 'Freemantle Sharks' until people threw a massive stink over it, I'll let you figure out why, and Port, or rather their potential fan base, argued over way more than just the colours, they argued over the brand, they argued over the badge, they argued over whether or not the club should be called 'Port Adelaide' or if it should have a more inclusive name, they argued over whether or not there should be a magpie on the jersey, and probably a bunch of other stuff that I'm forgetting and/or didn't hear about.

This is misleading shit - in wafl there were two teams based in Fremantle therefore naming afl club after one would alienate fans of other. In Morton Bay there is & has only ever been one top flight team. In fact only professional sports team in area has ever been Dolphins.
Proponents of Adelaide, Perth, NT wherever don't want this bid because they know Brisbane 3 is next.
Among NRL fans Dolphins are favorites

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

This is misleading shit - in wafl there were two teams based in Fremantle therefore naming afl club after one would alienate fans of other. In Morton Bay there is & has only ever been one top flight team. In fact only professional sports team in area has ever been Dolphins.
Proponents of Adelaide, Perth, NT wherever don't want this bid because they know Brisbane 3 is next.
Among NRL fans Dolphins are favorites

Dolphins is the best bid, followed by Easts. Putting a team north of Brisbane will create a good geographic spread, with the Titans representing Gold Coast/Northern NSW, Dolphins providing Moreton Bay and Sunshine Coast with a team and the Broncos representing the north/west of Brisbane. A team in the south/east would be great as Brisbane 3.

 

[The Great Dane]

I'm not against Redcliffe being called something else, what I am against is the marketing BS, for example I recall clubs with iconic names like Balmain and Canterbury becoming Sydney Bulldogs and Sydney Tigers to grow their product. It didn't and they eventually returned to their original identity that transcends all.

Once Redcliffe are in the major league they will get the support.

Of course you can't call them Freo Sharks as there were two clubs in the local comp, East Freo Sharks and Sth Freo Bulldogs. Port was about giving up their tradition to Collingwood. These weren't about the clubs actual name just their nickname.

You can use google to save time rather then trawl through old newspapers.

Exactly.

Now what possible reason could there be to expect a different response from non-Dolphins fans when the Brisbane/whatever Dolphins are launched, and in what world would it ever be a good idea to risk alienating all those potential supporters?

Fremantle isn't the only example of that type of situation happening either, I mean it happened at the Raiders as another example. If the Raiders had have been called the Blues, as Les McIntyre would have preferred, then I and upwards of probably 75-80% of the Raiders initial fan-base never would have become fans of the club.

BTW, I don't have time to trawl through Google looking for 30 year old information without having a good idea of where to start looking. Good luck to you if you want research into it more, but you don't need me to do that.

 

[The Great Dane]

Except all online polls & surveys show Redcliffe as preferred option among fans. Almost always least favorite are bombers your favorite - got to ppl what they want

Online polls are self selecting and as such don't have an even distribution, and also generally have bad sample sizes.

In other words they are totally unscientific and almost totally useless as real measurements of public opinion, especially if the question in the poll is poorly formulated, which it generally is.

This is misleading shit - in wafl there were two teams based in Fremantle therefore naming afl club after one would alienate fans of other. In Morton Bay there is & has only ever been one top flight team. In fact only professional sports team in area has ever been Dolphins.
Proponents of Adelaide, Perth, NT wherever don't want this bid because they know Brisbane 3 is next.
Among NRL fans Dolphins are favorites

The cognitive dissonance is truly astounding.

 

[Pippen94]

Exactly.

Now what possible reason could there be to expect a different response from non-Dolphins fans when the Brisbane/whatever Dolphins are launched, and in what world would it ever be a good idea to risk alienating all those potential supporters?

Fremantle isn't the only example of that type of situation happening either, I mean it happened at the Raiders as another example. If the Raiders had have been called the Blues, as Les McIntyre would have preferred, then I and upwards of probably 75-80% of the Raiders initial fan-base never would have become fans of the club.

BTW, I don't have time to trawl through Google looking for 30 year old information without having a good idea of where to start looking. Good luck to you if you want research into it more, but you don't need me to do that.

Can't be bother to do research to back up claim - let me translate; bullshit

 

[Pippen94]

Online polls are self selecting and as such don't have an even distribution, and also generally have bad sample sizes.

In other words they are totally unscientific and almost totally useless as real measurements of public opinion, especially if the question in the poll is poorly formulated, which it generally is.

The cognitive dissonance is truly astounding.

Bombers could be only option & fans still wouldn't select it

 

[LeagueXIII]

Exactly.

Now what possible reason could there be to expect a different response from non-Dolphins fans when the Brisbane/whatever Dolphins are launched, and in what world would it ever be a good idea to risk alienating all those potential supporters?

Fremantle isn't the only example of that type of situation happening either, I mean it happened at the Raiders as another example. If the Raiders had have been called the Blues, as Les McIntyre would have preferred, then I and upwards of probably 75-80% of the Raiders initial fan-base never would have become fans of the club.

BTW, I don't have time to trawl through Google looking for 30 year old information without having a good idea of where to start looking. Good luck to you if you want research into it more, but you don't need me to do that.

When canberra entered the comp they put the choice of nickname to a public vote, that's how it was chosen.
You don't have to live in an area to follow that team. I follow Cronulla and have barely set foot in the Shire.
Take Canberra they have supporters everywhere because of the great team of the 80s and early 90s not because of some name thought up by a marketing guru.
Buy good players which in turn gets results...people will watch and follow attractive football that's it.
I don't need to trawl through it I lived through it.

 

[The Great Dane]

Can't be bother to do research to back up claim - let me translate; bullshit

Actually it's called having better things to do with my life at the moment...

I've also learnt that there's no point with you, GROTDs, etc. Even if I do go to the effort you'll just move the goalposts and/or deny that the source is valid, watch- "The tentatively named “Fremantle Sharks” received the go-ahead yesterday in Perth when the AFL chief executive, Mr Ross Oakley, announced that the league had granted a license to the West Australian Football Commission."

Bombers could be only option & fans still wouldn't select it

Good job I don't support the Bombers bid and never have.

 

[The Great Dane]

When canberra entered the comp they put the choice of nickname to a public vote, that's how it was chosen.

The Raiders name wasn't picked by a public vote, it was a competition where you'd submit a name and they'd pick the best one.

Before the competition had even started the media was already referring to the team as "the Raiders", and it's since been admitted that the competition was rigged, that the winner of the competition 'Patricia Taylor' was actually Patricia Elphick under her maiden name, who was the wife of Don Elphick who was a bigshot at the ACTRL, and that both the Raiders and Steelers names were actually picked the NSWRL whom specifically picked the American names because of their relevance (no matter how loose) to Canberra and Illawarra and because of market research they did that suggested that both of them had good brand recognition because of the NFL teams.

Now juxtapose the success that both the Raiders and Brumbies have had under their neutral, "plastic", brands, with the Canberra Vikings whom carried their Tuggeranong brand into a national competition and it's completely stuffed their team as a commercial entity because of the negative response from other local clubs fans...

You don't have to live in an area to follow that team. I follow Cronulla and have barely set foot in the Shire.
Take Canberra they have supporters everywhere because of the great team of the 80s and early 90s not because of some name thought up by a marketing guru.
Buy good players which in turn gets results...people will watch and follow attractive football that's it.
I don't need to trawl through it I lived through it.

Assuming the a club is successful they will build support in the way you say, but how does that justify knowingly choosing to stunt the growth of the club by going with a brand that will alienate huge portions of your potential the fan base in first place?

Why not start with a neutral brand that more people are willing to support and then grow support from that stronger base instead of choosing to start from a weaker base and hoping that you can build the club up to a stronger position over time?!

Also, why is it that you see the problem in Fremantle's case but refuse to accept that it could be an issue in cases that pertain to RL?

 

[mongoose]

I think LeagueXIII has a point though. You could have called them the Canberra dung beetles and they would have got support with the players they had in the late 80s, early 90s.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I think LeagueXIII has a point though. You could have called them the Canberra dung beetles and they would have got support with the players they had in the late 80s, early 90s.

Melbourne Storm are popular for similar reasons. People like to tag along with winners.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Redcliffe or Moreton Bay get my vote as the name for the team. Both names have historical relevance to south-east Queensland and can be used as a marketing tool. The NRL can spin a narrative about Redcliffe being the original choice for the Moreton settlement in the 19th century, before being rejected for Brisbane. Now the Dolphins are here to right those wrongs!

Kids born in Moreton Bay Region will have a strong emotional reason to choose Redcliffe/Moreton Bay Dolphins over Brisbane when they learn about this. It adds tribalism which creates lifelong fans. Emotional attachment is the driving factor that connects diehard fans to their sporting team.

 

[The Great Dane]

I think LeagueXIII has a point though. You could have called them the Canberra dung beetles and they would have got support with the players they had in the late 80s, early 90s.

Firstly; that's not true. In the early years they would have been doing well to average 2.5-3k if were called the Queanbeyan/Canberra Blues, and the jump in support during the golden age probably wouldn't have seen them crack 10kish.

Secondly; banking on being successful early on to build a fan base is just a very bad business plan, because chances are that you won't be really successful early on.

Thirdly; don't fall for the red herring. Stick to the point that was being raised and force them to admit, over and over, that allowing the old clubs to keep their old brands when going national is a bad idea. A bad idea that they are only accepting in the Dolphins case because of a misplaced sense of nostalgia.

 

[Pippen94]

Firstly; that's not true. In the early years they would have been doing well to average 2.5-3k if were called the Queanbeyan/Canberra Blues, and the jump in support during the golden age probably wouldn't have seen them crack 10kish.

Secondly; banking on being successful early on to build a fan base is just a very bad business plan, because chances are that you won't be really successful early on.

Thirdly; don't fall for the red herring. Stick to the point that was being raised and force them to admit, over and over, that allowing the old clubs to keep their old brands when going national is a bad idea. A bad idea that they are only accepting in the Dolphins case because of a misplaced sense of nostalgia.

Stupid argument - blues one of many teams in act comp at time. In fact being in NSW would've hurt them too.
In history of Morton Bay region there has only ever been one professional team in any sport & that's Dolphins.

Dolphins will be immediate success if only off field at first. Brisbane is rugby league city & fans will attend games.

Nostalgia is not a bad thing - South's coming back to league gave code a big boast. Around Sydney you see more rabbitohs stickers & gear then any other.

 

[greenBV4]

history of Morton Bay region there has only ever been one professional team in any sport & that's Dolphins.

That depends on if they want to represent Morton Bay or all of Brisbane. They should be (and based on the club themselves saying they won't use redcliffe, will be) representing the whole city, or atleast a good portion of it

 

[Perth Red]

The big challenge for Redcliffe will be to rebrand to appeal to more than their tiny population centre. Fail and it will fail.

 

[greenBV4]

Can anyone who lives on sunshine coast tell me if the Dolphins get in and play at Suncorp would they become your team? It seems we are banking a lot on the entire Moreton Bay 500k population having some affinity to a rebranded Redcliffe?

I think that Morton Bay pop doesn't include the SC

 

[Perth Red]

I think that Morton Bay pop doesn't include the SC

Yes changed my post when I looked at what regions it covered!

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

That depends on if they want to represent Morton Bay or all of Brisbane. They should be (and based on the club themselves saying they won't use redcliffe, will be) representing the whole city, or atleast a good portion of it

How can any club represent all of Greater Brisbane?

It can only have its HQ based in one suburb. If that suburb is Red Hill, as it is for the Broncos, then its catchment area is the north-western side of town. When they played their games at QEII Stadium, which is in the south-eastern suburb of Nathan, their crowds eventually dropped to under 20,000. Supporters from the northside stopped travelling. When they went back to Lang Park it rose again to 30,000+.

Ideally you would add rhe Dolphins and upgrade Dolphin Oval to 20,000 so the club can play 8 games there, then look at adding a team to the south-east, where Easts are based, and upgrade QEII Stadium so it is rectangular and can accommodate 40,000 to 60,000.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Moreton Bay
425,300 (2016)

Sunshine Coast
333,400 (2018)

Total
758,700.

It would be stupid to call the team Brisbane or North Brisbane. Moreton Bay its on the northern outskirts of Greater Brisbane and Sunshine Coast is separate from the Brisbane metropolitan area.

People from Sunshine Coast do not like Brisbane.