Redcliffe put their hand up

[Perth Red]

If crushers were a massive success news ltd would have had no say.
The reality is by the time the debacle of 1997 rolled around crushers had a smaller attendance avg than perth.

 

[Dragonwest]

The positive for Perth is that if the NRL have the option to bring in a very financially strong team from Brisbane that needs no support, the money may talk for a ninth game that generates the financial support needed to get Perth over the line.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

such a double standard.

"Perth shouldn't have a team because they failed once before"

"But so did a second Brisbane team"

"yeah but but... they don't count, it wasn't there fault" lol

The Crushers brand sucked and they were based right next to the Broncos on the northside, in Grange. It was the Pastoral Brothers Leprechauns old base. The 3 BRL clubs closest to Broncos territory all went under.

I like the sound of West Coast Raiders or Western Broncos, based in Perth. Let's make it happen!

 

[Pippen94]

by the same token Brisbane 2 and Gold Coast also failed, the latter numerous times. So why advocate for more queensland teams? Seems your arguing against yourself lol

New Brisbane shouldn't be 'big' club like Dane wants - just like Crushers. Repeating something that has failed is madness. Ipswich & Dolphins should be admitted

 

[Perth Red]

New Brisbane shouldn't be 'big' club like Dane wants - just like Crushers. Repeating something that has failed is madness. Ipswich & Dolphins should be admitted

Yeh because the Sydney suburban based clubs are working so well? Calling them redcliffe dolphins playing most games in redcliffe gives you another Manly or Cronulla, probably even worse given they will be up against the might of the Broncos who will be trying to crush them. Good luck with that!

 

[Pippen94]

Yeh because the Sydney suburban based clubs are working so well? Calling them redcliffe dolphins playing most games in redcliffe gives you another Manly or Cronulla, probably even worse given they will be up against the might of the Broncos who will be trying to crush them. Good luck with that!

NRL biggest source of revenue is broadcast money which exists because ppl in Sydney wanna watch their clubs. Brisbane is second biggest driver in that regard but is underrepresented with just one club.
Dolphins even in redcliffe (which they won't be) will gain bigger audience & do top business with broncos derby.
NRL will do due diligence & not even considering perth - says everything

 

[Perth Red]

Yes it does say a lot about RL and explains why after 100 years its still only really taken off in two states.

Best keep fingers crossed Brisbane 2 arent sht then otherwise thats $13MILLION a year wasted with no benefit at all. Best hope they are another Melbourne rather than another Gold Coast! Dolphins clearly only make a difference to FTA of A they are winning and B are scheduled on FTA every week and C there is actually interest in Brisbane to follow another club.

 

[LeagueXIII]

Thats not true, I hear atleast a few times a year that North Melbourne should pack up and leave for tassie, or that st kilda should go "somewhere" (more on this later) they already relocated 2 clubs interstate which the NRL has never done

Disagree with you. North were seen as the club to go years ago but under James Brayshaw he has built the club to a strong position. secured the clubs name and colours , strong membership for a small club, new training facilities at Arden St, partnerships with Tassie.

However there is no strong concerted effort by the media or the administration to move them.

With St;Kilda I have never heard anything about them moving other then their training base which is now back at Moorabbin.

We all know of the relocated clubs which happened 40 and 25 years ago, both have continued their traditions and incurred minimal if any damage to the game allowing it to grow and maintain it's continuity.

I know the Swans have something like 30k members in Melbourne.

I think you'll find as well that the reason there's less relocation talk is because they already have every market covered - where besides tassie would you have them relocate too?

True, they have handled it well. That's why I stated there has been zero debate from the media and admin for sometime as the game has stability.

Melbournians, as you probably are aware of from living here, are very passionate about their club and won't let them go without a massive fight, unlike most rugby league clubs.

Since 1925 only 12 clubs have been in Victoria and they are all still playing in the AFL today as their own entity.

I would have rather the NRL moved clubs then merged them as the AFL did.

 

[LeagueXIII]

We also average around 20,000 to the actual ground, its weird to think there's more people showing up in person than flicking a button on a telly

Wasnt there 96,000 on the main channel the other night? Still not great, and yes it was a final, but shows what the main channel can accomplish - it also needs to be a recurring thing to get people watching week in week out, I thought they had stuffed up and weren't going to show the game when the GEM coverage abruptly cut out after the previous game, is it that hard for Nein to put a channel change banner up? Other sports/networks manage to.

That network has done nothing to help grow the game in Melbourne

20,000 if you include finals. 16,000 plus for home and away season. Still pretty good for Melbourne, when there are a few generations about this will only get bigger.

Agreed on Channel Nine, compared to what Ten did for the game down here in the 90's which helped the game move forward they are pathetic.

 

[LeagueXIII]

NRL biggest source of revenue is broadcast money which exists because ppl in Sydney wanna watch their clubs. Brisbane is second biggest driver in that regard but is underrepresented with just one club.
Dolphins even in redcliffe (which they won't be) will gain bigger audience & do top business with broncos derby.
NRL will do due diligence & not even considering perth - says everything

NRL do jack, Lachlan Murdoch tells them where to put teams and when. V'landys is just his salesman.

If we were serious about growing the game, we'd have a real plan and there would be two teams coming in, and by growing/expanding I mean a team in Perth and Brisbane.

If V'landys can help Foxtel plan their future by selling our game off for 7 years surely he can put something together for our game. YOu'll never get the media putting the blowtorch on him or his yes man, Abdo.

 

[Perth Red]

NRL do jack, Lachlan Murdoch tells them where to put teams and when. V'landys is just his salesman.

If we were serious about growing the game, we'd have a real plan and there would be two teams coming in, and by growing/expanding I mean a team in Perth and Brisbane.

If V'landys can help Foxtel plan their future by selling our game off for 7 years surely he can put something together for our game. YOu'll never get the media putting the blowtorch on him or his yes man, Abdo.

He does seem a patsy that's sold us down the swanny. I guess when you look at how close in bed he is with News td through NSW racing it shouldn't come as any great surprise.

 

[MugaB]

The Crushers brand sucked and they were based right next to the Broncos on the northside, in Grange. It was the Pastoral Brothers Leprechauns old base. The 3 BRL clubs closest to Broncos territory all went under.

I like the sound of West Coast Raiders or Western Broncos, based in Perth. Let's make it happen!

Jezus enough with the relocation already

 

[The Great Dane]

Disagree, attendance in the ground is what 10-15,000 watching on TV 100's thousands. People who live in the area will go to the game yet the supporters outside that area will buy merchandise etc. TV is very important for growing a strong club.

The fact that AFL clubs are so much more financially stable and successful than NRL clubs all most exclusively comes down to their higher attendance and membership sales. That is because clubs get a significantly higher percentage of the profit of each ticket sold then they do for each set of eyes on tv or piece of merchandise sold.

If you want a profitable football club, then you need strong attendances.

Risky in your eyes, but you're all doom and gloom. That was the strategy of the Storm, to be successful/competitive from the day dot.

Of all the expansion clubs in the NSWRL/ARL/SL/NRL's history you could only really argue that 4 of them had instant success on the pitch (Canterbury, Canberra, Brisbane, and Melbourne), and two of those had some massive advantages in their favour that any new club simply won't have.
So considering that, the odds that a new club will have instant success are very slim, and banking on instant success to build your club would be a f**king moronic thing to do.

I live in Melbourne there is currently ZERO debate on clubs moving, relocating or whatever and it's been this way for sometime. The talk is on the football. I listen to SEN if there was a murmur it would be on this station or in the papers.

The subject comes up almost yearly- https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/th...a/news-story/f3a6afed92d04f096e7defb22d68448a

It's also almost constantly talked about in AFL circles.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

New Brisbane shouldn't be 'big' club like Dane wants - just like Crushers. Repeating something that has failed is madness. Ipswich & Dolphins should be admitted

Ipswich Jets and Redcliffe Dolphins would be the pride of their respective regions. The people who were born and raised in these areas would feel immense pride to see their neck of the woods represented at the big dance. There would be zero competitors knocking on their doorstep.

Generic clubs like South Queensland Crushers appeal to no one because they don't represent anyone in particular. I'm yet to hear a person from south-east Queensland identify as a South Queenslander.

 

[LeagueXIII]

The fact that AFL clubs are so much more financially stable and successful than NRL clubs all most exclusively comes down to their higher attendance and membership sales. That is because clubs get a significantly higher percentage of the profit of each ticket sold then they do for each set of eyes on tv or piece of merchandise sold.

If you want a profitable football club, then you need strong attendances.

Thanks scoop

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Jezus enough with the relocation already

Broncos to Super League or Queensland Cup?

 

[The Great Dane]

New Brisbane shouldn't be 'big' club like Dane wants - just like Crushers. Repeating something that has failed is madness. Ipswich & Dolphins should be admitted

The Crushers weren't a 'big' club.

I mean we are talking about a club that was woefully lacking in start up funds that they were begging the NSWRL for grants to keep their business alive before they had even played a game.

They weren't ready or capable of owning and operating a club, and never should have been given a license in the fist place. In fact pretty much all of the 1995 expansion teams were a f**king shambles that never should have been given licenses, that's why all of the ones that could jumped to SL, the SL money was their only chance to survive.

 

[siv]

Broncos to Super League or Queensland Cup?

Yes all NRL clubs going back Qld & NSW Cup with a super bowl solves a lot of expansion issues

 

[LeagueXIII]

Of all the expansion clubs in the NSWRL/ARL/SL/NRL's history you could only really argue that 4 of them had instant success on the pitch (Canterbury, Canberra, Brisbane, and Melbourne), and two of those had some massive advantages in their favour that any new club simply won't have.
So considering that, the odds that a new club will have instant success are very slim, and banking on instant success to build your club would be a f**king moronic thing to do.

The subject comes up almost yearly- https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/th...a/news-story/f3a6afed92d04f096e7defb22d68448a

It's also almost constantly talked about in AFL circles.

They need to be competitive, no-one is saying they need to win the competition, considering the salary cap is well controlled these days and turn over of players on the market a new club should be able to put together a decent team.

Did you trawl the papers for that. Slow news day, nothing story, it gets shut down straight away. James Brayshaw their president is on Radio MMM and dismisses any stories. As I said I've not seen or heard anything that threatens the club for sometime. I work with North supporters they are happy and most importantly there is no snipping from other supporters unlike rugby league who want a club dead or moved.

 

[The Great Dane]

Thanks scoop

Obviously you f**king needed it since you've spent this whole discussion trying to make out that a club can survive off a couple thousand "fans" who only watch on tv and buy the very odd piece of merchandise.